Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Thierry12 wrote: »

I know its still bad

Kermit the frog here thought Belgians and French wouldn't make it

I'm just surprised to see numbers peak on there own basically

Lockdown wouldn't of had an effect yet

France went into lockdown 11 days ago

I’d like to see an accurate comparison between hospital admissions for October and November for the last decade.

Is there now more people in ICU in hospitals across the EU than ever before?

eagle eye wrote: »

Government, NPHET and the HSE shouldn't be allowed to say schools are safe without definitive proof that it's the case.

They've never said it's safe, just a much lower risk, with low positivity rates to back it up. To mitigate that risk there are controls in schools.

seamus wrote: »

These things peak naturally, it's why they're called "waves"

It's basically a big pyramid scheme. Eventually the virus runs out of hosts and cases begin to decline.

This is either because it's run rampant or because people are modifying their own behaviour to reduce contact with others.

The only thing we can influence is how high the peak is. Like you say, many countries in Europe have been on fire for the last 2-3 weeks.

People will naturally modify their own behaviour when they see how bad it is, but it's also not correct to say that Europe only started doing anything about it recently. They have been incrementally introducing restrictions over the past six weeks.

Given the 2-4 week lag between hospitalisations and deaths, it's going to be a grim start to December for many countries.

The time everyone was predicting a 'Mad Max' scenario seems to have been the peak for Belgium. Median death incidence is 14 days I believe but yet that trend is down too.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Where's the school thread gone that was active every minute 3 weeks ago?

I think the anti-school gang have finally realised that there is no data to support their apparent view that schools are a hotbed of infection risk. Teachers and school management have done a fantastic job at keeping schools as safe as possible, and all credit to them.

wakka12 wrote: »

The lockdown was too soon to take effect but there were other restrictions such as curfews in France which would have had impact by now

It's obvious that the rising numbers and soon-to-be-introduced lockdowns are what reduces the numbers. Even in Ireland we've seen how people's attitudes change in the week or two preceding a lockdown being officially announced. If the news is like it is in Belgium with ICU doctors saying there are no more beds, and nurses and doctors with Covid are still working, people aren't going to wait for a government announcement to start restricting their movements.

I agree schools have done a great job at putting measures in place to minimise the spread of the virus. From what I see they have worked very hard at getting these in place and maintaining.

One day someone was complaining on the radio that following a positive case no one in the school was identified as a close contact - in my view that was a credit to the school that no close contacts this as been the aim of everyone for so long limit close contacts as much as possible.
The fact that they are achieving this is great. In cases where close contacts cannot be eliminitaed the pod system of only having a few close contacts is working. At this stage children are all looking forward to christmas break as the pods will be changed after.

well done to all thankfully in my area people are supporting the schools by keeping anyone with any symptoms (cold or covid) at home and getting tested if required. This is helping greatly too.
reataurants \ pubs do not have same discipline or authority over customers as schools do due to that it is very difficutl to maintain the standerds to remain open.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why does it seem like Covid has peaked in Europe?

It was 2 weeks from disaster 10 days ago

They introduced lockdown but that would be too soon to have an effect

Honestly Belgium, etc was supposedly on fire 2 weeks ago

Cases are dropping

Seems to have peaked in central Europe alright but new cases seemed to have plateaued extremely high numbers.

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus why does everyone have to be pigeon-holed? I doubt anyone is actually 'anti-school', whatever in the world that is supposed to mean. People just didn't see how logically schools wouldn't be a massive risk.

For some reason this pandemic has created such a divide that you can only be anti something or pro something. No grey areas. Very frustrating.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Exactly. These models never take into account how, even without any restrictions, people will modify their behaviour. If a pandemic is raging in your community you don't need the Govt to tell you to be careful.

Lot of people, unfortunately, do need the government to tell them to be careful and/or remove opportunities for people to mix in crowds.

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

There are many posters who contribute on schools, and many of them use logic and data to come to their view. There is, on the other hand, a small number of posters who are rooted to the view that schools are the problem, regardless of what the data shows.

When using the term "anti-school gang" , I mean only those who refuse to accept the data and keep banging the "it's the schools" drum.

The bigger issue in September/early october was:
Returning colleges.
Large celeabratory gatherings.
A general relaxation of peoples attitudes to the risks. (Which is natural)

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

There is data and there is feelings. Data should always win

I see your point and I agree 100%, but there's definitely a real effort by everyone to put people in boxes lately. Just a little less of it would be nice, that's all.

Nearly 60% of Covid patients in Hospital didn't have it on admission.
They got it while in Hospital; for other reasons

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326455354042048513