Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Faugheen · 10-11-2020 10:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

Our President-Elect and Vice President-Elect speaking now after plaintiff's shambles of a SCOTUS hearing on the Affordable Care Act

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6MvKbfPeK0

TLDR It didn't sound like the SCOTUS was convinced by the Republican argument. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/10/scotus-hearing-aca-live-updates/

Imagine after this, it will be Trump’s own justice that will f*ck him over.

I’m not in the least bit surprised. Roberts was never going to vote to strike out the ACA because of the reputational hit his Court would take as a result. Also, Kavanaugh votes with Roberts more than any other Justice, so if Roberts was swinging, it was highly likely Kavanaugh would too.

nullzero · 10-11-2020 10:56PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he is involved with trump in trying to drag the US to civil war.

Now that's hyperbole.

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 10:58PM

nullzero wrote: »

Now that's hyperbole.

maybe it is but there is an element of truth in it. What do you think will happen if you continue to lie to 70m people and tell them their election was stolen?

walshb · 10-11-2020 11:05PM

nullzero wrote: »

Now that's hyperbole.

It’s actually not

That is how dangerous a man like Trump is, when he has support and encouragement!!!

nullzero · 10-11-2020 11:10PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

maybe it is but there is an element of truth in it. What do you think will happen if you continue to lie to 70m people and tell them their election was stolen?

Sounds kind of similar to the Russian collusion angle we spent 4 years listening to from the Democrats.

There's idiots aplenty on both sides of the aisle to keep us all scratching our heads tbf.

I don't support Trump or Biden for clarity. It seems like the new normal when an election is lost is to kick up a stink and go the legal route.

10-11-2020 11:11PM

nullzero wrote: »

All I'm seeing here is hyperbole.

My post was clearly pointing out the nonsensical nature of what has been said about this man in this thread. Hardly hyperbole.

Some of the things posted here over the last week have been nauseating, wishing for Trump to be assassinated etc.

Two wrongs obviously make a right to some people.

Most of the stuff about him and trump has been accurate and sourced from news reports, unlike the conspiracy theory and similar sad sack sites supporting trump and his team being dumped as evidence of trump winning.

To claim otherwise would be like saying a family member was duped into voting for something without reading the campaign literature etc.

Can you link to a post saying trump should be assassinated, I've been dipping in and out of the thread during breaks from work and helping a friend with a project and haven't seen all the posts.

Inquitus · 10-11-2020 11:15PM

tjdaly wrote: »

Donald Trump - what an epic dude! Love yah man. Pls run again in four years time, surely you can retake the crown that is rightfully yours. By then sleepy Joe will have crashed the economy and Harris will be a has been.

Go back home -> https://thedonald.win/

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 11:15PM

nullzero wrote: »

Sounds kind of similar to the Russian collusion angle we spent 4 years listening to from the Democrats.

There's idiots aplenty on both sides of the aisle to keep us all scratching our heads tbf.

I don't support Trump or Biden for clarity. It seems like the new normal when an election is lost is to kick up a stink and go the legal route.

I dont remember Hilary refusing to concede and launching frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit. Refresh my memory.

Strumms · 10-11-2020 11:16PM

tjdaly wrote: »

Donald Trump - what an epic dude! Love yah man. Pls run again in four years time, surely you can retake the crown that is rightfully yours. By then sleepy Joe will have crashed the economy and Harris will be a has been.

:pac: Haha, Trump has almost crashed a whole democracy, put the economy into great risk...never mind Biden in 5 years, you could run Tinky Winky against whichever Republican and Tinky Winky is winning, I wouldn’t open my door to a Republican canvasser or politician.

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 11:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont remember Hilary refusing to concede and launching frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit. Refresh my memory.

Obama called her and told her not to but she did want to.

listermint · 10-11-2020 11:17PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Imagine after this, it will be Trump’s own justice that will f*ck him over.

I’m not in the least bit surprised. Roberts was never going to vote to strike out the ACA because of the reputational hit his Court would take as a result. Also, Kavanaugh votes with Roberts more than any other Justice, so if Roberts was swinging, it was highly likely Kavanaugh would too.

Ever get the feeling kavanagh regrets his past history and had some come to Jesus moments. Perhaps he is on his own personal redemption mission. Where he just deals with the law as the law and is taking queues from someone he looks up to , that being Roberts .

I'm sure having grown daughters has a massive effect on how he sees himself now as a father.

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 11:17PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Obama called her and told her not to but she did want to.

so she didnt refuse to concede and launch frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit, is that what you are saying?

KilOit · 10-11-2020 11:17PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Go back home -> https://thedonald.win/

I have been looking at that site past few days, truly fascinating stuff, words can't describe the level of obsession with Trump is

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 11:21PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so she didnt refuse to concede and launch frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit, is that what you are saying?

No, she wanted to launch lawsuits but was persuaded to be a good loser instead. And they are all frivolous in every election but candidates are entitled to challenge.

Faugheen · 10-11-2020 11:23PM

listermint wrote: »

Ever get the feeling kavanagh regrets his past history and had some come to Jesus moments. Perhaps he is on his own personal redemption mission. Where he just deals with the law as the law and is taking queues from someone he looks up to , that being Roberts .

I'm sure having grown daughters has a massive effect on how he sees himself now as a father.

In fairness to Kavanaugh, he has always valued precedent when making rulings and offering opinions. Today, he used the precedent of severing one provision of a law but not using that one provision to scrap that particular law entirely.

He’s been a very moderate justice, to his credit. Perhaps what you’re saying could be the case but he’s almost mirroring his predecessor at this stage.

One f*ck up in the Wisconsin case aside, that is.

tjdaly · 10-11-2020 11:23PM

KilOit wrote: »

I have been looking at that site past few days, truly fascinating stuff, words can't describe the level of obsession with Trump is

He is a glorious man. Even the people who don't exactly love him still think he is funny as hell. He represents the best and worst of America all in one gloriously neat and absurd package. Plus he shot down Covid easily and yanks love a gunslinger.

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 11:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, she wanted to launch lawsuits but was persuaded to be a good loser instead. And they are all frivolous in every election but candidates are entitled to challenge.

she conceded as soon as trump reached 270 EC votes. she couldn't have done a lot of thinking or needed much persuasion. Do you have a source that says obama had to talk her down?

ExMachina1000 · 10-11-2020 11:24PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

They claimed that there was Russian interference, which was investigated.
The only person claiming fraud was trump because he lost the popular vote.

Did they find anything after the investigation?

Overheal · 10-11-2020 11:25PM

nullzero wrote: »

Sounds kind of similar to the Russian collusion angle we spent 4 years listening to from the Democrats.

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ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 11:25PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Did they find anything after the investigation?

a couple of trumps campaign ended up convicted.

one armed dwarf · 10-11-2020 11:26PM

tjdaly wrote: »

He is a glorious man. Even the people who don't exactly love him still think he is funny as hell. He represents the best and worst of America all in one gloriously neat and absurd package. Plus he shot down Covid easily and yanks love a gunslinger.

Record breaking numbers of cases and deaths day on day, I'd say his gun must have backfired.

nullzero · 10-11-2020 11:27PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Did they find anything after the investigation?

Of course not.

And it was the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Both sides of the political divide in America are full to the brim with crackpots with insane worldviews. It's worrying how willingly people in this country engage with it all.

omega man · 10-11-2020 11:29PM

tjdaly wrote: »

Donald Trump - what an epic dude! Love yah man. Pls run again in four years time, surely you can retake the crown that is rightfully yours. By then sleepy Joe will have crashed the economy and Harris will be a has been.

I could be wrong but I don’t believe you can run for president if you have a criminal record.

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 11:29PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she conceded as soon as trump reached 270 EC votes. she couldn't have done a lot of thinking or needed much persuasion. Do you have a source that says obama had to talk her down?

From a book by Amie Parnes and Jonathan Allen called Shattered.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/18/hillary-clinton-shattered-book-obama-election-loss

Padre_Pio · 10-11-2020 11:29PM

nullzero wrote: »

Not really.

You're typically remembered for your most memorable actions.

Nah, sure look at all the politicians who are forced to resign over some gaffe. Doesn't matter how illustrious your career, once you f*ck up all credibility goes out the window.

You become the "wasn't he the lad who did X" politician, and you lose your clout.

nullzero · 10-11-2020 11:30PM

omega man wrote: »

I could be wrong but I don’t believe you can run for president if you have a criminal record.

What was it they said about James Brown?
He could've run for president but he hadn't broken enough laws.

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 11:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/18/hillary-clinton-shattered-book-obama-election-loss

yeah that doesnt really say what you said, now does it?

Overheal · 10-11-2020 11:31PM

nullzero wrote: »

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

DubInMeath wrote: »

They claimed that there was Russian interference, which was investigated.
The only person claiming fraud was trump because he lost the popular vote.

Did they find anything after the investigation?

Of course not.

And it was the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Both sides of the political divide in America are full to the brim with crackpots with insane worldviews. It's worrying how willingly people in this country engage with it all.

Nullzero, you should redo your research.

U.S. v. Roger Jason Stone, Jr. (1:19-cr-18, District of Columbia)

Roger Jason Stone, Jr., 66, of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, was arrested in Fort Lauderdale on Jan. 25, 2019, following an indictment by a federal grand jury on Jan. 24, 2019, in the District of Columbia. The indictment, which was unsealed upon arrest, contains seven counts: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering.

U.S. v. Michael Cohen (1:18-cr-850, Southern District of New York)

Michael Cohen of New York, New York, pleaded guilty on Nov. 29, 2018, to making false statements to the U.S. Congress in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001 (a)(2). Cohen was sentenced on December 12, 2018, to serve two months in prison and pay a $50,000 fine.

U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr. (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty on September 14, 2018, to a superseding criminal information filed today in the District of Columbia, which includes conspiracy against the United States (conspiracy to commit money laundering, tax fraud, failing to file Foreign Bank Account Reports and Violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lying and misrepresenting to the Department of Justice) and conspiracy to obstruct justice (witness tampering). On March 13, 2019, Manafort was sentenced to serve 73 months in prison, with 30 months to run concurrent with his sentence in the Eastern District of Virginia.

U.S. v. Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, et al (1:18-cr-215, District of Columbia)

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment on July 13, 2018, against 12 Russian nationals for their alleged roles in computer hacking conspiracies aimed at interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections. The indictment charges 11 of the defendants with conspiracy to commit computer crimes, eight counts of aggravated identity theft, and conspiracy to launder money. Two defendants are charged with a separate conspiracy to commit computer crimes.

U.S. v. Konstantin Kilimnik (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a third superseding indictment on June 8, 2018, against Konstantin Kilimnik, of Moscow, Russia. Kilimnik is charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice.

U.S. v. Richard W. Gates III (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

Richard W. Gates III of Richmond, Va., pleaded guilty on Feb. 23, 2018, to a superseding criminal information that includes: count one of the indictment, which charges conspiracy against the United States, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 (which includes conspiracy to violate 26 U.S.C. 7206(1), 31 U.S.C. 5312 and 5322(b), and 22 U.S.C. 612, 618(a)(1), and 618(a)(2)), and a charge of making false statements to the Special Counsel’s Office and FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001.

U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr., and Richard W. Gates III (1:18-cr-83, Eastern District of Virginia)

Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., and Richard W. Gates III, of Richmond, Va., were indicted by a federal grand jury on Feb. 22, 2018, in the Eastern District of Virginia. The indictment contains 32 counts: 16 counts related to false individual income tax returns, seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, five counts of bank fraud conspiracy, and four counts of bank fraud. On March 1, 2018, the court granted a motion to dismiss without prejudice the charges against Gates, following his guilty plea in a related case in the District of Columbia (1:17-cr-201). On Aug. 21, 2018, a federal jury found Manafort guilty on eight counts: counts 1-5, subscribing to a false individual income tax return for tax years 2010-2014; count 12, failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts for year 2012; count 25, bank fraud; and count 27, bank fraud. The court declared a mistrial on 10 counts (counts 11, 13-14, 24, 26, 28-32). As part of his plea agreement on Sept. 14, 2018, Manafort admitted his guilt of the remaining counts against him in this case. On March 7, 2019, Manafort was sentenced to 47 months in prison and ordered to pay a $50,000 fine.

U.S. v. Alex van der Zwaan (1:18-cr-31, District of Columbia)

Alex van der Zwaan, of London, pleaded guilty on Feb. 20, 2018, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001. Van der Zwaan was sentenced on April 3, 2018, to serve 30 days in prison and pay a $20,000 fine.

U.S. v. Internet Research Agency, et al (1:18-cr-32, District of Columbia)

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment on Feb. 16, 2018, against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes. The indictment charges all of the defendants with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.

U.S. v. Richard Pinedo, et al (1:18-cr-24, District of Columbia)

Richard Pinedo, of Santa Paula, Calif., pleaded guilty on Feb. 12, 2018, to identity fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1028. On Oct. 10, 2018, Pinedo was sentenced to serve six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement, and ordered to complete 100 hours of community service.

U.S. v. Michael T. Flynn (1:17-cr-232, District of Columbia)

Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn (Ret.), of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty on Dec. 1, 2017, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001.

U.S. v. George Papadopoulos (1:17-cr-182, District of Columbia)

George Papadopoulos, of Chicago, Illinois, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5, 2017, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001. The case was unsealed on Oct. 30, 2017. On Sept. 7, 2018, Papadopoulos was sentenced to serve 14 days in prison, pay a $9,500 fine, and complete 200 hours of community service.

Source: https://www.justice.gov/sco

ohnonotgmail · 10-11-2020 11:32PM

omega man wrote: »

I could be wrong but I don’t believe you can run for president if you have a criminal record.

There are only 3 requirements to run for president. Not having a criminal record is not one of them.

weisses · 10-11-2020 11:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Obama called her and told her not to but she did want to.

Is that so

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