Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

cnocbui · 10-11-2020 05:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Forget fraud. How about voter suppression which is very real in the southern states. How about an investigation in to that.

Be more worthwhile than this time wasting.

It's the voter suppression, gerrymandering and postal delay shenanigans that has them thinking there must have been voting irregularities.

They rigged the game and then they lost. That could only have happened if someone else outdid them in rigging, right? It's only logical.

Tell me how · 10-11-2020 05:43PM

Inquitus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1325811083492401152

Amateur.

See Paula White last week?

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1324175651515949056

Or Kenneth Copeland this past weekend?

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1325513157926932480

Just watched both these again after I posted them, they really are bizarre. Copeland looks like a clip of something used in the Natural Born Killers film or a Quentin Tarantino movie to convey the absurdity of what is supposedly near life while the person descending in to a homicidal rage is judged to be the insane one.

AllForIt · 10-11-2020 05:44PM

Adam Bolton of Sky News losing the rag with a republican, just over now. Although he's right I think he weren't so biased he might not loose the rag so easily.

10-11-2020 05:44PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Get your marching boots on :P

Here you say?

cnocbui · 10-11-2020 05:45PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Bachmann turning to overdrive. You ain't seen nothing yet!:D

Bet that went straight over some younger heads - nice.

Foxtrol · 10-11-2020 05:48PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Bachmann turning to overdrive. You ain't seen nothing yet!:D

She seems to be moving slowly towards the second stage of grief. Seems like progress, most of Trump supporters are stuck on stage 1.

It should be a wild ride

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

tobefrank321 · 10-11-2020 05:48PM

Things are becoming very dark in the States now.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/trump-claims-we-will-win-election-as-gop-seeks-options-to-block-president-elect-joe-biden-from-taking-white-house/ar-BB1aScZ6?ocid=msedgntp

It looks like Trump has absolutely zero interest in giving up the presidency, thinks he won it and will not hand over power. And worse than that, senior Republicans are publicly supporting him in this aim.

Its taking a really nasty turn for the worse.

I think at this stage, the Democrats have to accept this idiot isn't going quietly and now need to explore how to have him removed from the White House. He could try to use every legal tool available to block them until it reaches the Supreme Court where he hopes and probably will get a favourable judgement.

At this stage, the US is most definitely heading towards a dictatorship of Trump and the Republican Party.

10-11-2020 05:50PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Bet that went straight over some younger heads - nice.

Oh, I honestly didn't know it was a reference and had to Google it. So that's what BTO stands for!

dark crystal · 10-11-2020 05:51PM

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1325951831667699712

Hypocrites, one and all.

Tony EH · 10-11-2020 05:52PM

sabat wrote: »

I made one response to one post about an audit in Pennsylvania. What's the problem here? The election hasn't been certified yet-I would have thought people would be happy for an opportunity to dispel fraud rumours.

The "rumours" are just unsubstantiated hot air though. So, there hasn't been any reason to have an audit.

There is nothing solid about this "fraud" nonsense, so entertaining it would be a waste of time and money. Baseless allegation is not grounds for organising a recount or audit.

I doubt Trump worshippers would be so eager to demand recounts and audits if the situation was the other way round.

tigger123 · 10-11-2020 05:55PM

They'll have their b*ll$h1t investigation, nothing will come of it.

You would really think that if there's any evidence of fraud whatsoever, the Trump campaign would have it all over the media at this stage.

But he doesn't, HE'S JUST TWEETING IN CAPS INSTEAD

Trump will have to leave. It's that simple.

omega man · 10-11-2020 05:55PM

Despite the dark undertones I’d still be confident their cases will get thrown out of court and none will even reach the SC.
Recounts are more likely but Biden has an unassailable lead thankfully.

Lucy8080 · 10-11-2020 05:56PM

Anti-vaxers , who see Trump as their saviour from a deep state who want to force a vaccine on the population?

Thoughts and prayer's with you guys at this difficult time!

Leroy42 · 10-11-2020 05:56PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Things are becoming very dark in the States now.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/trump-claims-we-will-win-election-as-gop-seeks-options-to-block-president-elect-joe-biden-from-taking-white-house/ar-BB1aScZ6?ocid=msedgntp

It looks like Trump has absolutely zero interest in giving up the presidency, thinks he won it and will not hand over power. And worse than that, senior Republicans are publicly supporting him in this aim.

Its taking a really nasty turn for the worse.

I think at this stage, the Democrats have to accept this idiot isn't going quietly and now need to explore how to have him removed from the White House. He could try to use every legal tool available to block them until it reaches the Supreme Court where he hopes and probably will get a favourable judgement.

At this stage, the US is most definitely heading towards a dictatorship of Trump and the Republican Party.

Nothing to get worked up about now, technically he is POTUS until 12pm on the day of inaugeration. So he doesn't have to leave and is free, as he always was, to undertake whatever EO and firings/hirings he wants.

It is odd that a POTUS is allowed to stay after the election, but that is the way they do it.

Tony EH · 10-11-2020 05:58PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

not at all.... .its exactly as expected from him.

Hes a baby who has cheated at everything his entire life. He is a grandiose narcissist who mentally cannot accept that he is not an expert at anything he decides he is. He lives in a fantasy world where he surrounds himself with sycophants who feed his delusions, and he gets rids of any dissenting voices without mercy. He exploits his followers for financial gain and he bullies anyone who he views as weak. He demeans, abuses, intimidates wherever and whenever he can and his followers lap it up as "alpha".

its not at all surreal at this stage.

its exactly who he is.

What's truly scary is that someone like that can reach the highest office in the land.

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 06:00PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Nothing to get worked up about now, technically he is POTUS until 12pm on the day of inauguration. So he doesn't have to leave and is free, as he always was, to undertake whatever EO and firings/hirings he wants.

It is odd that a POTUS is allowed to stay after the election, but that is the way they do it.

He'll be escorted off the premises then!

km991148 · 10-11-2020 06:04PM

Halenvaneddie wrote: »

The snowflakes would probably take up arms

Like the Saltflakes are now??

To be honest, this rhetoric needs to stop.

10-11-2020 06:05PM

tigger123 wrote: »

They'll have their b*ll$h1t investigation, nothing will come of it.

You would really think that if there's any evidence of fraud whatsoever, the Trump campaign would have it all over the media at this stage.

But he doesn't, HE'S JUST TWEETING IN CAPS INSTEAD

Trump will have to leave. It's that simple.

Some in the politics thread have the theory that they (trump etc) are looking to drag sh1t out long enough for those states not to be certified and therefore excluded from the EC vote.
Don't put any weight into one theory or another but the GOP are known for tactics such as voter suppression before this election and have tried fraud in California, but the good type of fraud for trump supporters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/california-gop-drop-boxes.html

"The California Republican Party has admitted responsibility for placing more than 50 deceptively labeled “official” drop boxes for mail-in ballots in Los Angeles, Fresno and Orange Counties — an action that state officials said was illegal and could lead to election fraud"

"Government officials say the receptacles are illegal and could lead to election fraud, but the party says it will continue the practice"

Dohnjoe · 10-11-2020 06:05PM

Republicans are backing Trump's baseless claims. To those in this thread that thought that the GOP had a shred of dignity, logic or principles. Nope, shameless populists.

Leroy42 · 10-11-2020 06:10PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Some in the politics thread have the theory that they (trump etc) are looking to drag sh1t out long enough for those states not to be certified and therefore excluded from the EC vote.

But as I understand it, Trump needs to be re-elected to stay as POTUS. His term, regardless of what happens, finishes in January.

If no-one is declared the winner, then doesn't Pelosi take over?

Dohnjoe · 10-11-2020 06:12PM

70% of Republicans believe the election wasn't free and fair. It's incredible, it's like a cult. If I was Trump I would absolutely be claiming the election was fraudulent, no evidence is required, these people will swallow anything he claims.

Inquitus · 10-11-2020 06:13PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

But as I understand it, Trump needs to be re-elected to stay as POTUS. His term, regardless of what happens, finishes in January.

If no-one is declared the winner, then doesn't Pelosi take over?

Read this article, US Law around election challenges is poorly written and weak, there is no clear path to resolution, for the past 150 odd years this has been avoided due to the loser making a concession and pathing the way for the new president. Obviously Trump has no decency and is unlikely to follow the norm, which is not legally required, but has to date avoided the US having a full blown constitutional crisis.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

cnocbui · 10-11-2020 06:17PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Nothing to get worked up about now, technically he is POTUS until 12pm on the day of inaugeration. So he doesn't have to leave and is free, as he always was, to undertake whatever EO and firings/hirings he wants.

It is odd that a POTUS is allowed to stay after the election, but that is the way they do it.

They have a horse-drawn constitution and system of government.

Penn · 10-11-2020 06:20PM

Reports that Pence is going on vacation.

So either he has Covid or he thinks they should concede and he's getting out of dodge for a while.

Inquitus · 10-11-2020 06:21PM

cnocbui wrote: »

They have a horse-drawn constitution and system of government.

Aye they love their constitution which dates back to 1789 and while it has been amended on occasion, it is very hard to do so under the mechanics it sets out, and as such is a document from well over 200 years ago which is hard to translate into the modern world. The right to bear arms stems from people with muzzle loaded rifles, clearly you'd wonder if their intent was to have 100,000's of people armed with AR 15s. It truly is a horse drawn cart in a world of space travel and supersonic planes!

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 06:22PM

Penn wrote: »

Reports that Pence is going on vacation.

So either he has Covid or he thinks they should concede and he's getting out of dodge for a while.

Just this week.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/09/vice-president-pence-to-reportedly-vacation-in-florida/

Inquitus · 10-11-2020 06:24PM

Penn wrote: »

Reports that Pence is going on vacation.

So either he has Covid or he thinks they should concede and he's getting out of dodge for a while.

Don't blame him, if I were him I'd be getting out of dodge to avoid myself being tainted irrevocably with the stain of Trump's ongoing actions!

namloc1980 · 10-11-2020 06:25PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

But as I understand it, Trump needs to be re-elected to stay as POTUS. His term, regardless of what happens, finishes in January.

If no-one is declared the winner, then doesn't Pelosi take over?

If the Electoral College is unable to come to a clear outcome due to Republican shenanigans - the 12th Amendment says that the House of Representatives will choose the president between the candidates. But they do this by state delegation and it is almost certain the Republicans hold more state delegations:

if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote

Have no doubt this is the plan they are now pursuing. Whether they will be successful is another question.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 10-11-2020 06:26PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Republicans are backing Trump's baseless claims. To those in this thread that thought that the GOP had a shred of dignity, logic or principles. Nope, shameless populists.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

70% of Republicans believe the election wasn't free and fair. It's incredible, it's like a cult. If I was Trump I would absolutely be claiming the election was fraudulent, no evidence is required, these people will swallow anything he claims.

I was looking at memorable slogans from the 2016 election. Trump had way more. WAY more. It’s rare I give a compliment to him but he very much knows how to plant ideas in people’s head and create reasonable doubt. I actually think he would make a good criminal defense lawyer.

10-11-2020 06:26PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Read this article, US Law around election challenges is poorly written and weak, there is no clear path to resolution, for the past 150 odd years this has been avoided due to the loser making a concession and pathing the way for the new president. Obviously Trump has no decency and is unlikely to follow the norm, which is not legally required, but has to date avoided the US having a full blown constitutional crisis.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

He’s not as stupid as he acts- not by a long shot. He may not ultimately get away with whatever he’s trying to do but I’ve no doubt he’s aiming for some form of constitutional crises - he has friends now in the SC- many of them- will get the funding though I wonder- he’s crowd funding all this legal appeals - it’s not his own money and it’s estimated to run at something like 60 m dollars - it will stop when the money runs out

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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