US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

McConnell has two Senate seats to fight for in Georgia. That is his focus. Without winning those two, Mitch is history.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I am sorry, but you are not reading between the lines there.

McConnell has just spouted the mindless platitudes that only legitimate ballots should be counted, and that Trump (notice he didn't say the Republican party either) is entitled to to investigate any irregularities. He didn't pledge any personal support, nor the support of the Republican party.

It's pretty clear that he's in between a rock and a hard place. He can't trash Trump because half the Republican party will lose their sh1t. He can't endorse Biden, for the same reason. The safe strategy is to let Trump have his day in the courts. Once Trump's case is thrown out by the court and the election is certified, the issue goes away with a Republican needing to come out publicly against Trump. I don't think he doubts for a second that Trump has any chance.

There are no lines to read between.

Have you missed the last 6 years of Mitch?

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Things are moving along within the grand plot to nullify the Presidential election result.

I posted about this some days ago, (on 5th Nov), but given recent developments, its worth repeating:





In Georgia, BOTH GOP Senate candidates have called on the Secretary of State (R) to resign. This came just after the SOS said that NO evidence of voter fraud had been presented to his office, and he stood by the elections process. The GOP Senate in PA called for the resignation of their SOS (D) last week.

This is all following the pattern as described in Abramson's Oct 10 podcast and alluded to in the earlier Atlantic article.

It ain't over folks. Whether the plot succeeds will be a huge test of the process and how Constitutional law is bent to support the losing side's arguments.

The GA SoS is elected and he is not going anywhere

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1325912113668296710

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I am sorry, but you are not reading between the lines there.

McConnell has just spouted the mindless platitudes that only legitimate ballots should be counted, and that Trump (notice he didn't say the Republican party either) is entitled to to investigate any irregularities. He didn't pledge any personal support, nor the support of the Republican party.

It's pretty clear that he's in between a rock and a hard place. He can't trash Trump because half the Republican party will lose their sh1t. He can't endorse Biden, for the same reason. The safe strategy is to let Trump have his day in the courts. Once Trump's case is thrown out by the court and the election is certified, the issue goes away with a Republican needing to come out publicly against Trump. I don't think he doubts for a second that Trump has any chance.

exactly, ****e reporting, mconnell said nothing of note and will say nothing .
Probably has been on the phone to Biden already, both know whats what.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You said he came out in support of Trump. I listened to his statement, he clearly did nothing of the sort.

He "clearly" did nothing of the sort?

Read it again.

Brian? wrote: »

He’s not going to concede, is he? I was deluded enough to think he would by now.

I don't think its delusion on your part. I think most of us hope that, even with worst case examples, they will eventually do 'the right thing', and/or that they will listen to their 'better angels'. So, using mores and norms that have existed since the 1890s, you rightly could hope that he would have conceded by now.

But, this is simply not a normal human person that you're dealing with. He is a transactional, psychopathic narcissist. In his head, he hasn't lost. He simply KNOWS that he has actually won the election, and will now only exit IF there's something in it for him, UNLESS those around him can convince him that what he KNOWS is simply not real. And that's gonna be a tough task, while all the hangers-on keep him convinced that some 'THEY' are trying to steal the election from him.

This.Is.Nowhere.Near.Over!

Inquitus wrote: »

The GA SoS is elected and he is not going anywhere

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1325912113668296710

I'm delighted with this refusal by the GA SoS to simply roll over. If he's being honest and is not playing a role, he's going to come under massive pressure to refuse to certify the results in the next month, AND to retain the legal right to certify the results.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I foresee scorched earth/burn it down policies followed by poisoning the wells before a Biden Presidency takes over to spend the 1st year simply trying to get stuff functioning again, UNLESS the GOP take control and remove the levers of power from the hands of Trump and his coterie.

Mc Connell MUST act! He MUST get Senators to the White House and tell Trump It Is Over..

But, he/they won't!

The first part of what you say I think your going to be spot on correct. The second part no chance it will happen. Why? Because McConnell cares only about remaining in power and he will want to keep the soon to be ex president on board for the 2 up coming senate runoffs in Georgia.

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think the worst thing the GOP can do is keep Trump on board for the Senate run-offs. It would just build an outraged opposition, as moderates and independents become appalled at his treatment of the Constitution.

Frankly I think Pence and the cabinet are going to have to 25 this fecker.

Indeed, given Georgia flipped, I can imagine that they wouldn't take too kindly to Trump telling them that they were fraudulent and their votes don't count. Americans are very evenly divided politically, but they do feel incredibly strongly about their common underpinning of democracy. Republicans vote republican despite many disliking Trump and knowing he is a pathological liar. But this might be a step too far, especially when you can't really argue about 5 million extra votes being fraudulent.

In the end play, I think Biden will win the other states he's leading and the GOP will have to push Trump to accept that it's implausible to try the fake fraud voting tactic in all these states. Many if not most Republicans are just decent Americans and not the crazy sorts we see on TV shouting about the Biden crime family mafia or whatever. They don't want to see Trump become a version of Putin holding on to power at whatever cost.

It wouldn't surprise me if he'll only concede after getting guarantees of a presidential pardon for him and his family...... or just him!

BobbyMalone wrote: »

Can he pardon himself? I read about that here, but not sure if it was true or not.

The issue of can a president pardon themselves seems to be an iffy one. I say iffy because that’s the opinions giving to Nixon before he resigned. And if I was on solid ground Nixon would have done it and he didn’t.

Just reading up on what happened overnight and shockingly what trump telegraphed is coming to pass. The GOP have a lot to answer but the don’t care.

BobbyMalone wrote: »

Can he pardon himself? I read about that here, but not sure if it was true or not.

He would have to admit the crimes for which he is being pardoned.

I would say that is quite the dilemma for him.

Admit on the world stage he is a criminal and be recorded as much for time immemorial
Or
Save his bacon

errlloyd wrote: »

Pretty sure he can resign and have Pence pardon him. The old Nixon Ford.

That would probably put the kaibosh on Pence ever running for prez though. They reckon the pardon is why Ford didn't get re-elected.