US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

everlast75 · 09-11-2020 04:53PM

This is Biden's response to the vaccine.

No one can, with any credibility, see the difference between Trump's incompetence and this.

Night and ****ing day.

https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1325816759690129412?s=09

Brussels Sprout · 09-11-2020 04:54PM

hirondelle wrote: »

I fear this is just the start of it. I don't think there is an earthly chance of Trump appearing at Inauguration Day, but I do see him turning up at rallies to allow him to pretend he is still the God King- and who knows where things will go if that starts happening?

I think he will certainly keep up the rallies. For him they have been the best thing about the last 5 years. That environment, where all of the attention is on him and it's nothing but pure adulation, is what he really wants at all times.

That begs the question - how will he pay for them? He's certainly not going to pay for them himself and I can't see him charging an entry fee either.

I therefore think that in order to continue to run them he will need to create a "Donald Trump for President 2024" campaign and start soliciting donations from his supporters in order to pick up the tab.

everlast75 · 09-11-2020 04:56PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

I think he will certainly keep up the rallies. For him they have been the best thing about the last 5 years. That environment, where all of the attention is on him and it's nothing but pure adulation, is what he really wants at all times.

That begs the question - how will he pay for them? He's certainly not going to pay for them himself and I can't see him charging an entry fee either.

I therefore think that in order to continue to run them he will need to create a "Donald Trump for President 2024" campaign and start soliciting donations from his supporters in order to pick up the tab.

If the networks decide not to pay him any attention, it'll quickly solve the problem.

hirondelle · 09-11-2020 05:05PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

I think he will certainly keep up the rallies. For him they have been the best thing about the last 5 years. That environment, where all of the attention is on him and it's nothing but pure adulation, is what he really wants at all times.

That begs the question - how will he pay for them? He's certainly not going to pay for them himself and I can't see him charging an entry fee either.

I therefore think that in order to continue to run them he will need to create a "Donald Trump for President 2024" campaign and start soliciting donations from his supporters in order to pick up the tab.

Judging by the slobbering devotion some of the attendees at the rallies show, I'd say Trump would have no problem relieving them of a few dollars at the gate.
Eric could be flogging the MAGA hats at the side of the stage. Ivanka and Kushner checking the monster trucks in the carpark in a case any of them are left unlocked. Don Jr is round the back just doing speedballs and checking his ammunition again.

Inquitus · 09-11-2020 05:08PM

Interesting, below are the odds available on the 2024 Presidential election, Trump is the favourite to get the GOP Nomination at this point, if he decides to run again it is hard to see how the Republican's can avoid it, which is troublesome for them. I would imagine that the mainstream of the party would like to be done with Trumpism for good.

Unfortunately for them it is hard to see his MAGA followers ditching him, and if they tried to screw Trump out of the nomination he could do anything, including run as a 3rd Party candidate which would be dreadful for the GOP, splitting their vote and leaving them with no chance:

BonnieSituation · 09-11-2020 05:12PM

I hope he runs as a 3rd party candidate.

There is no way he gets the GOP nomination.

listermint · 09-11-2020 05:15PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Interesting, below are the odds available on the 2024 Presidential election, Trump is the favourite to get the GOP Nomination at this point, if he decides to run again it is hard to see how the Republican's can avoid it, which is troublesome for them. I would imagine that the mainstream of the party would like to be done with Trumpism for good.

Unfortunately for them it is hard to see his MAGA followers ditching him, and if they tried to screw Trump out of the nomination he could do anything, including run as a 3rd Party candidate which would be dreadful for the GOP, splitting their vote and leaving them with no chance:

I'd imagine they'll be all in on assisting legal battles to get trump out of the picture.

Quin_Dub · 09-11-2020 05:20PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I hope he runs as a 3rd party candidate.

There is no way he gets the GOP nomination.

I don't think that there's any certainty to that at all.

Clearly there's a lot of road between now and then and depending on the outcomes of the likely multitude of court cases he may not be able to run.

But - given the nature of the GOP Primaries there's absolutely nothing to suggest that he couldn't win there again.

I don't think he would win a Presidential Election again , but all else being equal he's in the mix for the GOP Primaries for certain.

If he's willing and able to run in 4 years he is a huge problem for the GOP win or lose.

serfboard · 09-11-2020 05:27PM

hirondelle wrote: »

Judging by the slobbering devotion some of the attendees at the rallies show, I'd say Trump would have no problem relieving them of a few dollars at the gate.

100% agree. Look at all the (Chinese-made) merch he pitches at them and they lap it up.

If I were the venue owners though, I'd want payment in advance, given the Trump syndicate's track record for bilking suppliers.

And as for coverage, well Trump TV is being talked about again. A station devoted to Trump 24/7? I mean, it'd be better than talking about anything else, right?

Donald Trump wrote:

Turn on television, right. Covid, Covid. Covid, Covid, Covid. Covid. A plane goes down, 500 people dead, they don’t talk about it. Covid Covid Covid Covid.

Jimmy Kimmel had a good take on this - Trump was basically jealous of the coverage that Covid was getting.

everlast75 · 09-11-2020 05:31PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I hope he runs as a 3rd party candidate.

There is no way he gets the GOP nomination.

I agree.

I mean, what do people here think will happen to the prosecutions which were stayed due to the idea that a sitting president cannot be indicted, if they press ahead come January 2021.

For those who may not know, they include;
1) campaign finance charges 2016
2) obstruction of justice
3) federal tax charges
4) state tax charges
5) real estate fraud
6) marketing fraud
7) emoluments violations
8) defamation against a rape accuser
9) defamation against a sexual assault accuser

He can be pardoned for the federal crimes, but only if he admits what he did.

Not exactly a clean getaway.

And how will he evade his bankers calling in the $400,000,000 in debt he is *personally* liable for in 3 or so years?

All of this will surely have to go away in order for him to have any chance of running again.

Foxtrol · 09-11-2020 05:33PM

listermint wrote: »

But none of that has anything to do with AOC. Members of the democrats who had lost seats shouted down an open phonecall between Dems about the socialists within the party.

It wasn't AOC and I watched her interview on CNN when asked to respond to it she didn't want a lurch to the left. This is more fabrication from the same usual sources that spread the lies and fear in the first place. Amplification of these lies is the problem no having a progressive section within the Dems. The Dems should be proud of the broad church and not seek to emulate the republicans. Similar thing happened to labour in the UK and look how that's left them.

Problem is that the far left of the party have a problem with their words and actions, as what they see as throw away comments are latched on to by right wing media and used against candidates running in moderate areas. Bernie saying 'I am a socialist' or the green new deal notes saying they want to get rid of eating meat or defunding the police.

I agree they should be proud of their broad church, that however that has to include the moderates.

harr · 09-11-2020 05:38PM

everlast75 wrote: »

This is Biden's response to the vaccine.

No one can, with any credibility, see the difference between Trump's incompetence and this.

Night and ****ing day.

https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1325816759690129412?s=09

First line speaks volumes “ the brilliant Women and men”

Foxtrol · 09-11-2020 05:52PM

awec wrote: »

I don't agree with this either though. This "mainstream media" is just deflectionary bull****.

Trumpism was successful because the people who voted for Trump were able to resonate with the message he was giving. If you want to defeat Trumpism, you need to kill the message at source. You need to restore faith in the system.

As far as I am concerned, Joe Biden should never mention Donald Trump again. Democrats should figure out why Trump picked up so many swing voters, and figure out what they can do to help those people while remaining true to their own values and principles. As I said, there is no way there is 70+ million right wing fanatics in the US.

This is the hopeful perspective that I had post 2016 but I've lost that now.

For many no restoring faith is going to help the majority of his voters, if not flat out racist they don't believe that racism is problem today or are completely anti-abortion or anti-immigration of non-white people or are anti-refugee or dont believe in climate change or don't even believe in evolution.

They have core beliefs, they always have to be the victim, and are naive enough to believe in simple fixes that Trump promised (even when they were obvious lies). Clinton got plenty of abuse for calling them deplorable but there is a sizable portion that this is the case and even if a democrat came in a improved their life they still wouldnt vote for them.

BluePlanet · 09-11-2020 05:58PM

Well one good thing about Trumpism is that it put pretty much all the crazies into the one basket.

Headshot · 09-11-2020 06:05PM

I felt Biden was so emotional there, you can see he really cares about people

So nice to see a president that is compassionate for his fellow Americans

Blowfish · 09-11-2020 06:58PM

hirondelle wrote: »

I fear this is just the start of it. I don't think there is an earthly chance of Trump appearing at Inauguration Day, but I do see him turning up at rallies to allow him to pretend he is still the God King- and who knows where things will go if that starts happening?

Personally I really hope he does have rallies and gets plenty of attention from them. Without, I fear that he'll lose his supply and that's when narcissists are most dangerous.

robinph wrote: »

Very unlikely to actually be massed crowds turning up on The Mall for the day, even the normal drive between the White House to the inauguration and back again will have to be done some other way to avoid crowds forming along the street, my guess would be helicopters each way.

In some ways I hope Biden decides to skip having an inauguration event on the Mall completely and instead just addresses the US from the White House. Trumps presidency began with his lies over crowd size, Biden starting by cancelling the public event in order to put the health of Americans above his own adulation would send a powerful signal.

eire4 · 09-11-2020 07:01PM

letowski wrote: »

I think the Dems ought to thread carefully with the LP. At the end of the day, these guys are neo-conservatives of the old Bush/Reagan party, that's where their interests lay. They now have a broad outreach established among center left liberals and make no mistake, if the 2024 GOP nominee is a neo-con, they will look to target those center left liberals to get a republican back into the presidency.

As a side note, they seemed to have made themselves very rich this past year, funnelling 2/3 ($40m) of their funding (mostly Democratic donors) into communication firms, owned by the LP founders themselves. I think the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' mutual agreement ends after this election.

Very much agree with you. The LP project people are very much of the Friedmanite disaster capitalism variety and they got what they wanted in getting rid of the president and now they will go back to making sure there is no change to the current dominance of the Chicago school of economics which has seen such a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of an elite at the top end of the economic tree in the US and of course the massive increase in wealth and income inequality in the US.

eire4 · 09-11-2020 07:04PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The Lincoln Project announced that they would continue to support the Democrats for the upcoming runoff elections in Georgia. I thought that was odd considering that their motus operandi was chiefly to oust Trump.

Now I suppose they did have a few ads that were bashing the Senate Republicans so if one were to be charitable you could say that they want the modern iteration of the Republican party to be razed to the ground in order that it can be rebuilt again in their preferred image.

I think to be fair that may have more to do with who the 2 Republican candidates are in Purdue and Loeffler. Two utterly corrupt politicians who were very much to the fore in enabling the president over the past few years.

eire4 · 09-11-2020 07:20PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's just adding a needless extra ;layer.

The small state already have their over-weighted representation in the senate and as such they have an over-weighted sector of the EC.

Just go to a popular vote and be damned.

They always talk about treh flyover states being ignored but as it stands, it's only right that Wyoming and Iowa and the Dakotas get less attentions to Cali and NY and Texas.

As someone on Twitter said on Wednesday, "Yet again the 55million people on the West coast don't matter in the Presidential election." That is insane!

It reminds me of the GAA listening to peoples' complaints about the provincial championships, only to go ahead and adjust the provinces. Completely ignoring that the fact that there are provincial competitions at all is the problem.

The EC is the problem. Just get rid, and be done with it. tinkering around the edges is pointless.

Totally agree. The electoral college needs to go end of story. It is utterly undemocratic. The smaller states already have plenty of power with how the senate is set up.

eire4 · 09-11-2020 07:26PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What odds would you get for Trump holding a rally on the same day as the Inauguration?

The Biden even will definitely be a much reduced affair in keeping with the approach on Social Distance etc.

Would not shock me at all. I think now it is done and dusted at least in everyone eyes except the soon to be ex president we will see him now begin the scorched earth policy on the way out the door. What that will look like exactly I have no idea but there is no way he is leaving without doing as much damage as he can on the way out to make things as hard as possible for Biden. Plus he no doubt has a lot to cover up before he leaves as well.

paul71 · 09-11-2020 09:43PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Paul I'd never heard of this O'Keefee until you mentioned his name to me. I put up a link I seen regarding a postman claiming fraud. Might be nothing. Postman may have a vendetta against his employers for all I know. Its up to the GOP to prove any falsehoods in court.

All of course. Would you not like to know if dead folk are still out voting?

James O'Keefe was the source of that story, the "organisation" he runs is called Project Veritas. It is a complete bed of lies and some of the things it has done are truly disgusting.

In 1 "operation" in 2010 he organised a sting on a non profit homeless assistance program in California. He posed as a homeless pimp with underage girl and went looking for help from that organisation. He asked if they would help him bring in underage girls from abroad to prostitute as part of his effort "expose them in his sting".

The low paid employee of that organisation played along and when O'Keefe left that employee called the Police to report on the incident. O'Keefe released the video of the incident on the internet. It almost destroyed the life of the man who acted with the upmost of integrity.

THAT is why you check the source of the links you post. The "free social media" which you lauded on several occasions is full of bottom feeders like O'Keefe.

extra gravy · 09-11-2020 09:54PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Let's start with Florida and Texas shall we?

Any word on the missing 300,000 ballots in Florida? Trumpsters don't seem too interested in that particular scandal even though they're so keen to have all the "legal" votes counted.

Itssoeasy · 09-11-2020 10:09PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

They tried to impeach him. How'd that go?

They did impeach him. Just because he wasn’t removed from office doesn’t mean he wasn't impeached. Impeachment is the job of the House of Representatives, removal falls to the senate. He will go down in history as the third president even impeached regardless of how he tries to spin it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 09-11-2020 10:13PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

They tried to impeach him. How'd that go?

He was impeached.

BonnieSituation · 09-11-2020 10:45PM

So Mitch McConnell has come out, with his first speech after the election and is rowing in behind Trump.

Well, that was a nice bit of normalcy for a couple of days.

NY Times wrote:

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the top Republican in Congress, on Monday threw his support behind President Trump’s refusal to concede the election, declining to recognize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory as he argued Mr. Trump was “100 percent within his rights” to challenge the outcome.

Even as he celebrated the success of incumbent Republican senators who won re-election and the winnowing of Democrats’ House majority, Mr. McConnell, the majority leader, treated the outcome of the presidential election as uncertain, and hammered Democrats for calling on Mr. Trump to accept the results.

“President Trump is 100 percent within his rights to look into allegations of irregularities and weigh his legal options,” the Kentucky Republican said, delivering his first comments since Mr. Biden was declared the winner. “Let’s not have any lectures about how the president should immediately, cheerfully accept preliminary election results from the same characters who just spent four years refusing to accept the validity of the last election.”

Mr. McConnell did not contradict Mr. Trump’s false claims that the election was stolen from him, instead endorsing the president’s vow to pursue a bevy of lawsuits in key swing states aimed at handing him a victory. He said that “this process will reach its resolution” and that the nation’s legal and political system “will resolve any recounts or litigation.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/09/us/joe-biden-trump/declining-to-recognize-bidens-victory-mcconnell-says-trump-is-100-percent-entitled-to-challenge-it

If this doesn't further underscore the need for the Dems to do EVERYTHING they can to bring out the vote in Georgia, then nothing will.

This man needs to be taken down.

TomOnBoard · 09-11-2020 10:48PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So Mitch McConnell has come out, with his first speech after the election and is rowing in behind Trump.

Well, that was a nice bit of normalcy for a couple of days.

I read earlier that Bill Barr had paid him a visit.

https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1325882898982068227?s=19

TomOnBoard · 09-11-2020 11:07PM

Things are moving along within the grand plot to nullify the Presidential election result.

I posted about this some days ago, (on 5th Nov), but given recent developments, its worth repeating:

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Levin is now moving the narrative on to the next step in Trump's plan to stay in power despite election results.

The Trump team plan is to now use confusion and chaos to undermine certification of results and to prevent States' results from being translated into a slate of electors. He has already claimed victory. He has claimed PA. He has sown the seeds of voter fraud. Remember, he asked supporters to double-vote, allegedly to 'test the system'. He can now 'prove' that voter fraud happened, thereby giving State GOP Secretary of State grounds for failing to certify the Dem/Biden result, in which case the GOP will send it OWN slate of electors to the Electoral College.

Read this Atlantic article, and listen to this Seth Abramson podcast, and then ask yourself if this is possible. I see Levin's tweet as 'following the plan' and Woods' tweet as providing the violent threats to facilitate that.

For me, PA and GA are two such 'dangerous' GOP controlled states who could easily flip a Biden win into a GOP slate. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm watching closely.

I really want to see Biden take both AZ and NV so that 270 will be reached without PA and/or GA proving me right or wrong.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

https://youtu.be/ANhCTNPMv60

In Georgia, BOTH GOP Senate candidates have called on the Secretary of State (R) to resign. This came just after the SOS said that NO evidence of voter fraud had been presented to his office, and he stood by the elections process. The GOP Senate in PA called for the resignation of their SOS (D) last week.

This is all following the pattern as described in Abramson's Oct 10 podcast and alluded to in the earlier Atlantic article.

It ain't over folks. Whether the plot succeeds will be a huge test of the process and how Constitutional law is bent to support the losing side's arguments.

looksee · 09-11-2020 11:09PM

Was anyone just watching the Kayleigh McEnany press briefing? An endless stream of pure, fact free nonsense.

Apparently Fox cut away (I was watching it on Packman) and said they would broadcast it when there were some facts.

Edit, link https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/kayleigh-mcenany-press-conference-today-fox-news-trump-b1720003.html

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-live-stream-of-kayleigh-mcenany-at-trump-campaign-press-conference/

StringerBell · 09-11-2020 11:10PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So Mitch McConnell has come out, with his first speech after the election and is rowing in behind Trump.

Well, that was a nice bit of normalcy for a couple of days.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/09/us/joe-biden-trump/declining-to-recognize-bidens-victory-mcconnell-says-trump-is-100-percent-entitled-to-challenge-it

If this doesn't further underscore the need for the Dems to do EVERYTHING they can to bring out the vote in Georgia, then nothing will.

This man needs to be taken down.

When they write the history of this period and try to figure out who was the worst of the worst it will take a lot to beat Mitch McConnell.

Francie Barrett · 09-11-2020 11:10PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So Mitch McConnell has come out, with his first speech after the election and is rowing in behind Trump.

Well, that was a nice bit of normalcy for a couple of days.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/09/us/joe-biden-trump/declining-to-recognize-bidens-victory-mcconnell-says-trump-is-100-percent-entitled-to-challenge-it

If this doesn't further underscore the need for the Dems to do EVERYTHING they can to bring out the vote in Georgia, then nothing will.

This man needs to be taken down.

I am sorry, but you are not reading between the lines there.

McConnell has just spouted the mindless platitudes that only legitimate ballots should be counted, and that Trump (notice he didn't say the Republican party either) is entitled to to investigate any irregularities. He didn't pledge any personal support, nor the support of the Republican party.

It's pretty clear that he's in between a rock and a hard place. He can't trash Trump because half the Republican party will lose their sh1t. He can't endorse Biden, for the same reason. The safe strategy is to let Trump have his day in the courts. Once Trump's case is thrown out by the court and the election is certified, the issue goes away with a Republican needing to come out publicly against Trump. I don't think he doubts for a second that Trump has any chance.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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