Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

wakka12 · 09-11-2020 07:32PM

My mood is so much better today with the vaccine news, I feel almost elated, it's not to say I was moping around depressed and agitated the last 6 months but it's just a weight off my shoulders that I almost didn't even realise was there as I'd become so familiar with it

ElTel · 09-11-2020 07:33PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

According to The Irish Times, the Taoiseach addressed a weekly Fianna Fáil parliamentary party meeting and stated that the full six weeks would be needed to ensure low cases for December, particularly the Christmas period where people would be mixing with family

Yeah it's disappointing that there's going to be no concession on Dec 1st date.
All eyes on Christmas.

I think the way numbers are going they're missing a chance for a case study on the restaurant sector (say). Could let them open next Monday and see what impact it has after 15 days on Dec1. Ventilation, staff interaction etc.

A pipe dream really as other sectors would be aggrieved.

screamer · 09-11-2020 07:33PM

Stheno wrote: »

Well then as a leading member of NPHET he should keep his personal opinion to himself tbh

Yep he should, but look, he wanted a level 5 weeks ago, and 2 weeks later he got it.
Government like to think that we think they run things, but we all know who’s pushing the covid buttons and it ain’t the 3 stooges

davemckenna25 · 09-11-2020 07:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's 3 weeks and a bit. Pretty sure he said Dec 1 himself today. Even if it is the 3rd it could easily become the 7th or later.

My dates were wrong .....
it was actually midnight on the 21st October (a Wednesday night) for a period of 6 weeks, that brings us to Midnight 2nd October (a Wednesday night).
Maybe it's not going to be a full 6 weeks but that's from the gov press release.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/66269-ireland-placed-on-level-5-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid/

screamer · 09-11-2020 07:35PM

mloc123 wrote: »

So pretty much the same as for the past 5 years or more..

Well, Amazon’s profits are sky rocketing, so I’d wager a guess it’s worse this year than the last 5 years.

Gael23 · 09-11-2020 07:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

CMO saying funerals have been a cause of some large outbreaks

Yes they have. Someone posted about a woman who has been out of her home twice since March, the second being to a funeral and tested positive a week after

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:37PM

Benimar wrote: »

So you would rather NPHET spout sh1te like Johnson, just for a bit of ‘positivity’?

The point about their commentary is that it rarely veers from completely noncommittal. The majority of people would view today's vaccine news as good, yet it seemed more like a distraction to them and there was almost a mild scolding for getting excited.

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:39PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

My dates were wrong .....
it was actually midnight on the 21st October (a Wednesday night) for a period of 6 weeks, that brings us to Midnight 2nd October (a Wednesday night).
Maybe it's not going to be a full 6 weeks but that's from the gov press release.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/66269-ireland-placed-on-level-5-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid/

The political aim is for there or thereabouts. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I still think it's 50/50.

Gael23 · 09-11-2020 07:43PM

ElTel wrote: »

Yeah it's disappointing that there's going to be no concession on Dec 1st date.
All eyes on Christmas.

I think the way numbers are going they're missing a chance for a case study on the restaurant sector (say). Could let them open next Monday and see what impact it has after 15 days on Dec1. Ventilation, staff interaction etc.

A pipe dream really as other sectors would be aggrieved.

I don’t see it like that. I think it’s crucial to get the numbers as low as possible coming into Christmas and avoid a third level 5

political analyst · 09-11-2020 07:44PM

screamer wrote: »

Yep he should, but look, he wanted a level 5 weeks ago, and 2 weeks later he got it.
Government like to think that we think they run things, but we all know who’s pushing the covid buttons and it ain’t the 3 stooges

But they're choosing to let him run things. Given that people have died because of the effects of austerity on the health service, how does an increase in the number of Covid cases make it any worse?

KrustyUCC · 09-11-2020 07:44PM

I bet Tony already knows what he will propose a week before Dec 1st

It will be level three at best

Not a hope of level 2

What Tony wants Tony will get as the government won't go against NPHET advice again

political analyst · 09-11-2020 07:45PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I bet Tony already knows what he will propose a week before Dec 1st

It will be level three at best

Not a hope of level 2

What Tony wants Tony will get as the government won't go against NPHET advice again

Why is the government afraid to go against his advice?

Stheno · 09-11-2020 07:46PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I bet Tony already knows what he will propose a week before Dec 1st

It will be level three at best

Not a hope of level 2

What Tony wants Tony will get as the government won't go against NPHET advice again

I'm not so sure about that going on Pat Leavys article in the Irish Times last Saturday tbh

political analyst · 09-11-2020 07:46PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that going on Pat Leaves article in the Irish Times last Saturday tbh

What was the gist of it?

FintanMcluskey · 09-11-2020 07:48PM

political analyst wrote: »

Why is the government afraid to go against his advice?

Because it’s Heath advice, if it goes against Tony and it goes wrong the government have blood on its hands.

KrustyUCC · 09-11-2020 07:50PM

political analyst wrote: »

Why is the government afraid to go against his advice?

The last time they did we got two weeks of asking why did they go against NPHET advice to go straight from level two to level five?

The media were incessant especially RTE

political analyst · 09-11-2020 07:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because it’s Heath advice, if it goes against Tony and it goes wrong the government have blood on its hands.

But the government has gone against doctors who warned of the effects of cutbacks. So how would going against Tony be any different?

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:51PM

political analyst wrote: »

What was the gist of it?

Likely Level 3 and then Level 2 is Government thinking at present. It also mentions the ongoing tensions over the NPHET advice.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/inside-politics-the-fraught-job-of-finding-an-exit-route-from-level-5-1.4402437

Gael23 · 09-11-2020 07:52PM

It has to be level 2.
People will do their own thing at Christmas anyway

09-11-2020 07:53PM

Tony will probably look to extend regardless of case numbers.

Remember, we had 4 cases and 0 deaths during the summer and still refused to lift various restrictions.

FintanMcluskey · 09-11-2020 07:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It has to be level 2.
People will do their own thing at Christmas anyway

If NPHET mandate anything less than level 4 I will eat my own underpants for Christmas dinner.

KrustyUCC · 09-11-2020 07:54PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that going on Pat Leaves article in the Irish Times last Saturday tbh

Interesting read thanks

is_that_so · 09-11-2020 07:57PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If NPHET mandate anything less than level 4 I will eat my own underpants for Christmas dinner.

Make them edible undies so!

Gael23 · 09-11-2020 07:58PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If NPHET mandate anything less than level 4 I will eat my own underpants for Christmas dinner.

The government won’t want it on themselves at Christmas

political analyst · 09-11-2020 08:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Likely Level 3 and then Level 2 is Government thinking at present. It also mentions the ongoing tensions over the NPHET advice.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/inside-politics-the-fraught-job-of-finding-an-exit-route-from-level-5-1.4402437

Surely, if there was a large enough number of backbenchers on the government side called for the lockdown to be lifted a fortnight early, I don't see how Micheál Martin and Eamon Ryan could continue to ignore them. If there isn't, then why are they much less likely to go against the government than their counterparts in Westminster are?

ElTel · 09-11-2020 08:04PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I don’t see it like that. I think it’s crucial to get the numbers as low as possible coming into Christmas and avoid a third level 5

So we can all have more contacts over Christmas? Contacts will increase anyway.
You want to kick it down the road for the extra two weeks and perhaps ensure it's a level 3.5 after Dec 1 before a L2 for the Xmas holidays?

I'm more for living with covid at the expense of Xmas and letting businesses make some money for the next 6 months.

JP Liz V1 · 09-11-2020 08:07PM

https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1325873980159438849

Stheno · 09-11-2020 08:08PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Have we started to develop supply chain management systems for delivery of vaccination here?

political analyst wrote: »

What was the gist of it?

I took out some of it but left the salient points

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/inside-politics-the-fraught-job-of-finding-an-exit-route-from-level-5-1.4402437

Just as it was the first time round, opening up after the Covid lockdown will be vastly more complicated than closing down.

The leaders of the three Coalition parties discussed the issue in a meeting last Monday evening, I am told. There was another meeting involving the Nphet honchos, the HSE and senior officials on Wednesday.

Leo Varadkar, ever a student of the numbers, is pretty bullish about opening up. He told his parliamentary party on Wednesday evening there were strong arguments for considering an early reopening in two weeks’ time, citing especially some retail, marts and gyms, the last of which he confessed a personal interest in. By the next day, however, he was more cautious, telling the Dáil that Level 5 restrictions would remain “very definitely” for the full six weeks. “Would the real Leo Varadkar stand up,” a colleague observed.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin and the Green leader Eamon Ryan are more cautious. Though neither man was an enthusiast for the lockdown, neither is in favour of opening up early. There’s “no chance” of an early relaxation, according to one person involved in the decision-making process.

Public differences
Although all outward signs suggest that the previous public differences between the public health experts in Nphet and the politicians have been smoothed out, I understand that behind the scenes this is not the case. Many of the politicians and their officials believed in October that they were bounced into a possibly unnecessary lockdown by Nphet; now they believe that even more strongly. That can only affect their relationship in the future.

What many people involved believe is that the lockdown came before the existing restrictions had a chance to have an effect
The lockdown was announced – with Dr Tony Holohan and colleagues insisting there was not a moment to lose – on October 19th, just four days after the ban on household visits was introduced in Dublin and the Border counties went to Level 4. But it was also a week or so after there was a step change in Government communications on the issue, and the seriousness of the second wave began to dawn on people.

What many people involved believe is that the lockdown came before the existing restrictions had a chance to have an effect. Talk to people in and around Government on this issue and this is something you hear constantly.

US2 · 09-11-2020 08:08PM

I never once thought we would ease anything before December no matter how small new infections become. I wouldn't even mind further restrictions if it meant we could have level 2 for the month of December.

Stheno · 09-11-2020 08:09PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It has to be level 2.
People will do their own thing at Christmas anyway

Dublin never even went to level 2 in the summer though?

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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