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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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  • #4982
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    "Biggest medical breakthrough in 100 years" & safety data due fully next week according to this interview
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325797219941888001?s=19


  • #4983
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    titan18 wrote: »
    Ya, and with needing 2 doses, that's half the people who get vaccinated. I'd be hopeful though by March/April, we might have enough people vaccinated that life can go back to some normality. Probably still have masks and social distancing but maybe the rest will ease

    To be honest right know I'm just thinking of the positive impact of getting some to nursing homes and their staff and frontline healthcare workers who look after Covid patients. If that can happen soon it'd be great.


  • #4984
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,426 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    polesheep wrote: »
    Why would we have masks and social distancing if enough people have been vaccinated to let life go back to normal?

    I agree, going back to normal for me would mean no masks and no social distancing - still having these would not be “back to normal”


  • #4985
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Level 42 wrote: »
    Rte obsessed with the minks they ain't happy with the vaccine


    Its a good point to make by RTE. It could be a curve ball but we will beat it


  • #4986
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    polesheep wrote: »
    Why would we have masks and social distancing if enough people have been vaccinated to let life go back to normal?
    It is not "enough people" it is the right people i.e. risk groups and critical staff.


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  • #4987
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,177 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    polesheep wrote: »
    Why would we have masks and social distancing if enough people have been vaccinated to let life go back to normal?

    He said "some normality", not total normality. Likely we'll be able to tolerate much higher case numbers than we can today without overwhelming the health service but not enough people vaccinated to allow a free for all until probably end of 2021.


  • #4988
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Stark wrote: »
    He said "some normality", not total normality. Likely we'll be able to tolerate much higher case numbers than we can today without overwhelming the health service but not enough people vaccinated to allow a free for all until probably end of 2021.

    I disagree. If the vulnerable can be vaccinated then the remaining population poses no threat to the health service as a result of contracting Covid.


  • #4989
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    leahyl wrote: »
    I agree, going back to normal for me would mean no masks and no social distancing - still having these would not be “back to normal”

    I don't see back to normal til June or later no matter how good a vaccine comes out. Being able to have level 1 or 2 restrictions from March being very unlikely to go back into lockdown would be a massive win.


  • #4990
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Level 42 wrote: »
    Rte obsessed with the minks they ain't happy with the vaccine

    RTÉ's modus operandi is to dissuade any good news reaching the masses so they'll happily stay under the thumb of Tony Holohan.

    NPHET are bound to be disgusted by today's very positive development as people will be empowered by hope.


  • #4991
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    [QUOTE=average_runner;115233536]It is side effects. Takes a few years to find out about some of these.
    But we go to move on and get out of this mess.



    I think countries will still be careful next year, maybe all people travelling takes a test in the airport if a 20 min one is around if you don't have the vaccine.


    To be honest under 50 won't see the vaccine at least till the 2nd half of next year





    Anyhow its a good day with some very good news[/QUOTE]

    The risk of side effects from not taking a vaccine and catching and developing long covid are just as uncertain. It's also more possible given some of the anecdotal evidence of people who have been struggling to recover.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



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  • #4992
    [Deleted User]
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    Level 42 wrote: »
    Rte obsessed with the minks they ain't happy with the vaccine

    In all fairness this does need to be watched carefully. Realistically travel outside of Denmark should be curtailed until we know more, our pathetic restrict your movements stuff is laughable when the price for a lack of action could be catastrophic.


  • #4993
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    The risk of side effects from not taking a vaccine and catching and developing long covid are just as uncertain. It's also more possible given some of the anecdotal evidence of people who have been struggling to recover.

    There is nowhere near enough evidence of the above to justify restrictions. Especially with vulnerable people vaccinated.


  • #4994
    Level 42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Level 42


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In all fairness this does need to be watched carefully. Realistically travel outside of Denmark should be curtailed until we know more, our pathetic restrict your movements stuff is laughable when the price for a lack of action could be catastrophic.

    And no better boys to watch the minks than nanny


  • #4995
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    At least we’ll be able to target front line medical workers & the most vulnerable, but we will still need to get figured up to herd immunity levels if you’re going to have hope of protecting the most vulnerable, who would be immune compromised.

    I’ve been browsing some of the polls ans globally, it looks like you’d get enough willing to be vaccinated to beat this thing, with a few outliers, notably France & Russia.

    I haven’t seen recent stars for Ireland, but seems more likely we might be in line with the U.K. on some of those attitudes.

    I guess we won’t be going to Paris for a long time yet.

    https://www.lesechos.fr/politique-societe/societe/coronavirus-la-france-parmi-les-pays-les-plus-retifs-a-la-vaccination-1238841

    Generally, the conspiracy theorist influence seems to be fading in most countries, looking at the figures from earlier polls vs September.

    While it’s a different survey, if this is accurate & comparable and 55% is where we are at, it places us at one of the most anti vaccine countries in the world: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1026/1173930-covid-incidence/

    If that is the case, I’m going to emigrate to somewhere more sensible, as I really don’t think I could take another few years of this being dragged out.


  • #4996
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Its gonna start getting normal again :-)


  • #4997
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    F*cking delighted. We've turned the corner folks!!


  • #4998
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    440Hertz wrote: »
    At least we’ll be able to target front line medical workers & the most vulnerable, but we will still need to get figured up to herd immunity levels if you’re going to have hope of protecting the most vulnerable, who would be immune compromised.

    I’ve been browsing some of the polls ans globally, it looks like you’d get enough willing to be vaccinated to beat this thing, with a few outliers, notably France & Russia.

    I haven’t seen recent stars for Ireland, but seems more likely we might be in line with the U.K. on some of those attitudes.

    I guess we won’t be going to Paris for a long time yet.

    https://www.lesechos.fr/politique-societe/societe/coronavirus-la-france-parmi-les-pays-les-plus-retifs-a-la-vaccination-1238841

    Generally, the conspiracy theorist influence seems to be fading in most countries, looking at the figures from earlier polls vs September.

    Think they will incentive it later on

    Gift cards etc


  • #4999
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    manniot2 wrote: »
    trump will lose the head - 3 days after the election result haha

    Allegedly they delayed the announcement until after the election so not to affect the result.


  • #5000
    holdyerhorses
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    Cordell wrote: »
    You generally know immediately, in minutes, hours or maybe days. 10 years is vaccines causing autism territory.

    Vaccines causing autism? Never proven.

    Proven other side-effects though, in the longer term.

    Of course impossible to tell in extremely, very short time windows like this trial. Which is always a worry.


  • #5001
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Two good points made on CNBC by Gottlieb & others:

    1. The public may be willing to endure more stringent lockdowns if they know there is light at the end of the tunnel. Governments will be willing to spend heavily during this period.
    2. This will prove the mRNA vaccine platform which currently has multiple trials against other diseases (and even cancer) using this technology.


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  • #5002
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    polesheep wrote: »
    Why would we have masks and social distancing if enough people have been vaccinated to let life go back to normal?

    Enough won't though. We'd be lucky to be at 500k I'd say. And how do you identify who has or hasn't had the vaccine. Some people will claim it much like they claim medical issues as to why they can't wear a mask. We likely won't be back to February 2020 behaviour until well into next year imo.


  • #5003
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    The risk of side effects from not taking a vaccine and catching and developing long covid are just as uncertain. It's also more possible given some of the anecdotal evidence of people who have been struggling to recover.


    Not sure what u are arguing about. Its positive news


  • #5004
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Can't wait to go around licking strangers again :pac:


  • #5005
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    titan18 wrote: »
    Enough won't though. We'd be lucky to be at 500k I'd say. And how do you identify who has or hasn't had the vaccine. Some people will claim it much like they claim medical issues as to why they can't wear a mask. We likely won't be back to February 2020 behaviour until well into next year imo.

    Well if it's offered to vulnerable people first any that don't take it are stating that they want to take their chances with Covid, so we rock on. (Exempting those who cannot take it obviously).


  • #5006
    Stheno
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    RTÉ's modus operandi is to dissuade any good news reaching the masses so they'll happily stay under the thumb of Tony Holohan.

    NPHET are bound to be disgusted by today's very positive development as people will be empowered by hope.

    I suspect they will concerned a minority of the population will throw caution to the wind at the news


  • #5007
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Can't wait to go around licking strangers again :pac:

    Won't be long before you are locked down again.:D


  • #5008
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    polesheep wrote: »
    Won't be long before you are locked down again.:D






    Hahahaha brilliant!


  • #5009
    holdyerhorses
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    Stheno wrote: »
    I suspect they will concerned a minority of the population will throw caution to the wind at the news

    You can kiss goodbye to Xmas at this stage, though.

    Which, as far as i can tell, was the NPHET, Govt. strategy all along.


  • #5010
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Can't wait to go around licking strangers again :pac:


    I can't wait to go around riding them again


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  • #5011
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    polesheep wrote: »
    Well if it's offered to vulnerable people first any that don't take it are stating that they want to take their chances with Covid, so we rock on. (Exempting those who cannot take it obviously).

    I don't think so. If we get down to level 1/2 restrictions, we'll be ok. I can't see there be events with hundreds or thousands indoors until a majority of the population are vaccinated myself.

    My hope is by April, we're looking at decent amounts being able to eat and drink indoors but with capacity limits, travel to restart normally albeit masks still being required, everything open with probably exception of stuff that rely on having hundreds or thousands in attendance (nightclubs won't be open fully, stadiums won't be full, conferences won't be happening etc). But a good 80-90% of our life is back


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