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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #1622
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Russman


    Not to put a damper on anything, but I wonder will this news, and hopefully more to follow in the coming weeks, make people a little more accepting of a potential upping of restrictions post Christmas ? ie knowing there's a light at the end of the tunnel ?


  • #1623
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Has it been explained yet what ‘90% effective’ means?
    Does it mean that it only works for 90% of those who are vaccinated or does it mean the the effects of the disease are reduced by 90% in all of those who are vaccinated and get Covid?


  • #1624
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    Fergal Bowers very dismissive on Rte news.

    He actually looks disappointed that there's hope..

    Spending too much time with George?


  • #1625
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Has it been explained yet what ‘90% effective’ means?
    Does it mean that it only works for 90% of those who are vaccinated or does it mean the the effects of the disease are reduced by 90% in all of those who are vaccinated and get Covid?

    What % of people are having mild or asymptomatic symptoms anyway. I'd like to dig deeper of what 90% effective means too.


  • #1626
    minggatu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭minggatu


    BioNTech (German developer of the vaccine) shares up 26 %


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  • #1627
    lemonTrees
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 105 ✭✭lemonTrees


    This great news and maybe the light at the end of this fcuking dark tunnel we are all sick of.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-found-to-be-90-effective-in-great-day-for-science-and-humanity-12128452

    Stock markets are gone absolutely wild. Dow futures are way way up.


  • #1628
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,031 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Stock markets are reaching all time highs after Biden's win and now this. Nikkei just surged to a 29 year high.
    Good times ahead, thank God.

    Yes.
    Good feeling about the turn in the news this last week alright !
    Our ever reducing numbers here , Biden / Harris beating the tweeting orangutan, Boris attending Brexit talks with a new incentive now that he has lost his Bud in the Whitehouse , and now this !
    All great news ;)


  • #1629
    [Deleted User]
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Has it been explained yet what ‘90% effective’ means?
    Does it mean that it only works for 90% of those who are vaccinated or does it mean the the effects of the disease are reduced by 90% in all of those who are vaccinated and get Covid?

    It means that of those in the trial that developed the disease 90% were in the placebo group.


  • #1630
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1325791031972016131


  • #1631
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The western world now has a vaccine folks
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    With 94 catching it out of 43,000, 90% of that group got a placebo. 8 people who received the vaccine still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.


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  • #1632
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1325791031972016131

    As stated in the release, more data expected in next 3 weeks.

    "Pfizer and BioNTech plan to submit data from the full Phase 3 trial for scientific peer-review publication."


  • #1633
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    The vaccine has 90% efficacy in a trial of 94 people. That means in spite of receiving the vaccine (or placebo) 7ish people still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Nope... some of the 94 would have been given the placebo...

    until we see exactly how they have classified the primary end point and the placebo split of the 94 candidates we don't know exactly how many people in either cohert got Covid...

    hopefully that data comes out relatively quickly..


  • #1634
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    The vaccine has 90% efficacy in a trial of 94 people. That means in spite of receiving the vaccine (or placebo) 7ish people still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    If 90% of people are immune then it will not be as common in the community so spread will be limited, I have only ever seen negative comments from you so not surprised to see you attempt to "rain on the parade"


  • #1635
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    The vaccine has 90% efficacy in a trial of 94 people. That means in spite of receiving the vaccine (or placebo) 7ish people still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    What? There were 94 infactions in a test of 43,538 people.


  • #1636
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    The vaccine has 90% efficacy in a trial of 94 people. That means in spite of receiving the vaccine (or placebo) 7ish people still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Except when it comes to scientific trials, vaccines never achieve 100% clinical success, so today's result is as perfect as possible, practically speaking.


  • #1637
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    The vaccine has 90% efficacy in a trial of 94 people. That means in spite of receiving the vaccine (or placebo) 7ish people still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Incorrect. From The Guardian:
    The phase 3 trials have involved more than 43,000 people and are intended to establish whether the vaccine works. Volunteers are given either the Covid vaccine, which was administered in two shots about three weeks apart, or a placebo alternative such as the meningitis vaccine, and neither they nor their doctors know which they have had.

    The interim analysis looks at how many of those who got infected with Covid-19 had had the new vaccine and how many had the placebo. So far, 94 people have become infected with Covid-19 – this is three times more than the company originally planned, but since the analysis shows that 90% had not received the vaccine, it implies that no more than eight people had received it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech


  • #1638
    holdyerhorses
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    Sanjuro wrote: »
    What? There were 94 infactions in a test of 43,538 people.

    Yes. 94 infections. Probably in half that amount because one half receives a placebo.


  • #1639
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Nope... some of the 94 would have been given the placebo...

    until we see exactly how they have classified the primary end point and the placebo split of the 94 candidates we don't know exactly how many people in either cohert got Covid...

    hopefully that data comes out relatively quickly..
    Sorry I edited the post


  • #1640
    [Deleted User]
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    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    With 94 catching it out of 43,000, 90% of that group got a placebo. 8 people who received the vaccine still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Jesus you are utterly miserable


  • #1641
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    With 94 catching it out of 43,000, 90% of that group got a placebo. 8 people who received the vaccine still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    You aren't raining on anyone's parade.

    I'm beginning to think other posters are right in that some people just can't accept good news and only see the negative in everything.


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  • #1642
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    holdyerhorses wrote: »
    Yes. 94 infections. Probably in half that amount because one half receives a placebo.
    Just goes to show how little of the placebo group got it. What kind of trial has this little exposure to the pathogen being combated?


  • #1643
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭pauldry


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    With 94 catching it out of 43,000, 90% of that group got a placebo. 8 people who received the vaccine still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Are you George Lee?


  • #1644
    lemonTrees
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 105 ✭✭lemonTrees


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    With 94 catching it out of 43,000, 90% of that group got a placebo. 8 people who received the vaccine still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Just give us today, please. A lot of people need hope.


  • #1645
    MD1990
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    Crazy how some in here know more than the scientists that are overseeing the vaccine results etc.


  • #1646
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    What? There were 94 infactions in a test of 43,538 people.

    nope thats not correct... over 10000 of the 43k haven't even got their second shot yet...

    the data that was released is based on 94 people


  • #1647
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Sorry to rain on the parade.

    With 94 catching it out of 43,000, 90% of that group got a placebo. 8 people who received the vaccine still got covid. Possibly during a time when huge restrictions of movement are in place. That doesn't fill me with confidence.

    Moreover they'll only have 3.5bn vaccines ready to go by the end of next year. Not even enough for a quarter of the world's population to get the requisite two doses.

    The vaccine is not the panacea it's heralded as.

    Are you aware of the other two vaccine candidates in phase 3 trials? Oxford and Moderna. If they are anywhere near as effective as Pfizer we will likely have another few hundred million (maybe billion) doses of vaccine next year.


  • #1648
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Stock markets are reaching all time highs after Biden's win and now this. Nikkei just surged to a 29 year high.
    Good times ahead, thank God.

    Brilliant to see.


  • #1649
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    petes wrote: »
    You aren't raining on anyone's parade.

    I'm beginning to think other posters are right in that some people just can't accept good news and only see the negative in everything.

    It’s certainly good news for Pfizer’s share price.
    I just saw an interview on CNN with the Pfizer CEO. He just got the news from their scientists yesterday and he has not actually seen the data for himself yet. He was also asked what 90% means and he just waffled on but didn’t answer the question.


  • #1650
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Just give us today, please. A lot of people need hope.

    I wouldn’t bother even trying . Its someone getting kicks out of misery


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  • #1651
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Just goes to show how little of the placebo group got it. What kind of trial has this little exposure to the pathogen being combated?

    If only a small number of the people in the placebo group got it, why are you so worried about the virus in the first place? You really do seem to want it both (miserable) ways.


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