Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-politics-idUSKBN27O0X7?taid=5fa88b31260cc0000186f637&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Support for Bolsanaro has dropped by 10-15% in major Brazilian cities since early Autumn due to his poor handling of the epidemic in the country which has claimed at least 160,000 lives. Good to see, with Trump out now it would be good to get some of the rest of the trash out to ring in the new year but sadly they've another two years of Bolsanaro

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Weakness? You could argue that both ways, weak to "#staythecourse" (to where?) or weakness on those not comfortable with the mortality and morbidity.

The route out of a pandemic is either medical intervention or the amount of death a society can stomach (socially, economically, etc), seemingly many Italians have decided they are comfortable with the mortality. There is no right or wrong answer.

That’s not really what’s happening though. It’s not a sober calculation of how much mortality society can stomach (though experts and governments will no doubt be making such considerations behind closed doors), but rather those who oppose restrictions are a mixture of denialism, a lack of basic understanding of mathematics and what continued exponential growth would look like without all the restrictions, and lots of selfish individuals calculating that my freedom is more important than other people’s lives, because the assumption is always that it’ll be other people who suffer.

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Which people are not believing that schools are a vector? We all know it is, surely? But as a society weve decided, given almost 0 effect of the virus on under 24s, that this is the route we want to take.

tbh I don't.


also having the kids miss more school possibly a ruined year will have the state or education system playing catch up for years even decades or delaying starting of school for a year - some be 20 doing the LC then for decades...can't have that..that would be a nuclear option.


Keeping schools going has been one thing they did right

a relative has tested positive and is now in isolation. All the close contacts were tested and while awaiting the results were told they could still go out for a walk etc..


Seems madness to me from entire cost of the restrictions on society and the economy that people awaiting results don't have to quarantine for the 24h or so it takes. You'd assume close contacts would have a heightened probability of being infected.




Seems insane given the cost of covid to the economy and society.

Restrictions until March. #****TheEconomy #****Society #****Business

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Which people are not believing that schools are a vector? We all know it is, surely? But as a society weve decided, given almost 0 effect of the virus on under 24s, that this is the route we want to take.

Oh believe me, if you are under 24 with an underlying issue, the effect is not 0. There are lots of vulnerable young adults/kids who will be very sick if they get it.

holdyerhorses wrote: »

yes, correct. But some people are playing this glib/sarcastic 'oh it's not the schools' comments, we knowwww transmission will happen in school, it's eye-bleedingly obvious. As a society, we have made that decision, and in my opinion, and seemingly that of the govt and NPHET, the correct one.

ah I get you now.

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Schools have been open since September, the data is there for all to see, it's nothing like your hypothetical.

Edit; and furthermore, covid19 has been here since march, and the data also reflects that point. Also, influenza is a buligger danger to that age bracket.

Oh it has definitely been here since March. My daughter was in hospital in early March, She was 12 & must have got it in school. She has a rare genetic disorder.

Interestingly enough though she has not been sick since& normally each year she would pick up everything & be out of school for months at a time. The new hygiene practices seem to have helped with this!

Dr Gabrial Scally on Claire Byrne again,

Is this not a piss take at this stage? He is basically on every day and gets to spout one sided horse****e.

It is despicable.

BringBackMick wrote: »

Dr Gabrial Scally on Claire Byrne again,

Is this not a piss take at this stage? He is basically on every day and gets to spout one sided horse****e.

It is despicable.

It's called balance and he's got a lot of credibility for the cervical smear inquiry. He's on one path here though - Zero COVID.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Now UK not allowing even hauliers in from Denmark who are not resident in UK. The actions being taken are belying that this is nothing to worry about.



https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1325689037429018624?s=20

Having read up on it, personally it seems like overkill, the 12 cluster 5 cases which were the issue were reported in September and none since. I get that the UK and others want to act quickly here but it doesn't to me seem to be a proportionate response at all. The Dutch reported mink cases long before Denmark for example. There doesn't seem to be an issue with mink mutation in general just the cases that were reported as "cluster 5"

The whole area around mink farming is contentious and it looks like the Danes wanted rid long before now, looks like this gave them the ammunition. Anyway thats for a different thread so I won't diverge here.

Lots of investigation still needed here in general.

landofthetree wrote: »

The EU handling of the crisis is way worse than USA or Brazil.




https://www.ft.com/content/efdadd97-aef5-47f1-91de-fe02c41a470a

But but Trump bad guys...am I doing it right?

I wonder who the media will **** on now that Trump is gone

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

Sweden's total deaths for 2020 are completely normal so far, unless there is a massive spike in mortality in November and December Sweden will see less deaths in 2020 than many of the other years of the last decade.
I am actually stunned, 6000 confirmed deaths one of the highest in the world and no effect on annual mortality. For me this has completely changed my perspective on everything about this