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Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

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  • #1472
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,717 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    aziz wrote: »
    We all know what Tony (the beatings will continue until moral improves) holohan will say

    If he allows it then it will be 'ah he's sound letting us enjoy christmas' just like when he appeared on the Late Late in April saying 'we flattened the curve'

    Reasliscally 'he will still be a XXXXX and so fourth' as he will not allow them trade esp with January coming up


  • #1473
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1105/1176049-coronavirus-nphet/

    Little glimmer of hope of a december opening for Pubs/restaurants if we can go to phase 2

    King Tony or Leo will be out soon to dismiss it no doubt

    Glimmer of hope that you can sit at a table behind a screen for 90 mins eating food and getting kicked out if you talk to somebody at a different table?


  • #1474
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,717 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Glimmer of hope that you can sit at a table behind a screen for 90 mins eating food and getting kicked out if you talk to somebody at a different table?

    TBH won't bother me and id be satisfied having a drinking outside the bloody house. The novelty will ware off bloody quick and like before the anxiety will still be there that it could be your last pint for a while with the government being so trigger happy


  • #1475
    Pierrette
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Pierrette


    My local has put up a video on FB showing that they've turned it into an off licence for the remainder of level 5


  • #1476
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,717 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Level 2 please


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  • #1477
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Be absolutely mental to go to level 2 (where we've proved we can't keep cases from going up) when our cases are still in the hundreds daily.


  • #1478
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I can't imagine we will go to level 2 in the winter/cold weather.


  • #1479
    DSN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭DSN


    Do you think pubs/restaurants will bother opening if they think it's just for couple weeks n back closed again Jan?
    I think the uncertainty must be a killer ordering food drink organizing staff etc


  • #1480
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    DSN wrote: »
    Do you think pubs/restaurants will bother opening if they think it's just for couple weeks n back closed again Jan?
    I think the uncertainty must be a killer ordering food drink organizing staff etc

    It's actually insulting to these business and staff that they basically want them to open so everyone else has a nice Christmas and then shut them down again


  • #1481
    undertaker fan 88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭undertaker fan 88


    bush wrote: »
    It's actually insulting to these business and staff that they basically want them to open so everyone else has a nice Christmas and then shut them down again

    It's wrong.. I work in a bar and currently out of work.of course I would love go back but is it really fair that I work the entire Christmas so everyone can get drunk enjoy themselves and spread it again leading to me having no job again in january. If the government say were only open for december and closing again I won't be going back


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  • #1482
    DSN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭DSN


    undertaker fan 88 wrote: »
    It's wrong.. I work in a bar and currently out of work.of course I would love go back but is it really fair that I work the entire Christmas so everyone can get drunk enjoy themselves and spread it again leading to me having no job again in january. If the government say were only open for december and closing again I won't be going back

    I agree & wouldn't blame you.


  • #1483
    PommieBast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Suckit wrote: »
    I can't imagine we will go to level 2 in the winter/cold weather.
    Even in the best bit of last summer Dublin never had the equivilent of Level-2.


  • #1484
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Pubs should not be opened at christmas.

    Let people gather in homes and at least keep it within their circles.

    Pubs at Christmas are superspreader events, 100%


  • #1485
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,717 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    nofools wrote: »
    Pubs should not be opened at christmas.

    Let people gather in homes and at least keep it within their circles.

    Pubs at Christmas are superspreader events, 100%

    Hello Dr Tony


  • #1486
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Hello Dr Tony

    Do you think that is funny or clever or something?

    The vast majority of people are trying to help thanks.


  • #1487
    zf0wqv9oemuasj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭zf0wqv9oemuasj


    Hi, I don’t personally think that opening the pubs is feasible or sensible until into the new year, too many people will flock to them and they are unfortunately too much of a risk for spreading covid-19.

    I know some posters are likely to disagree with this view point and so on but it would fit with how many would see the virus being controlled.


  • #1488
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    People signed up to this lockdown as it was time limited

    Pubs will have to be opened at least in some limited way for December or the government will lose the people


  • #1489
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    The small rural pub I frequent went to great lengths to make sure everyone was safe. Taking bookings, three to a table etc. What was the point of investing money in the signage, plastic screens etc only to be told to stay closed? How many jobs are nphet willing to sacrifice before they decide enough is enough?


  • #1490
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    If numbers keep going down (which is great) there needs to an easing of restrictions for December so the hospitality industry can make some money (i.e. stay alive). Yes numbers will go up a bit, but we can't just have never-ending lockdown.
    In January people will naturally be socialising a lot less anyway.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • #1491
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    The small rural pub I frequent went to great lengths to make sure everyone was safe. Taking bookings, three to a table etc. What was the point of investing money in the signage, plastic screens etc only to be told to stay closed? How many jobs are nphet willing to sacrifice before they decide enough is enough?

    In fairness the government can't really go around each pub and decide which ones have done enough to be allowed to open and which ones wouldn't be deemed controlled environments. It'd be like playing whack-a-mole.
    We saw in the earlier phases, regardless of what anyone thought of the buying a meal issue, that plenty of pubs will not keep to the rules.
    Its a terrible situation for anyone in the hospitality sector, but opening the pubs will inevitably lead to spread of the disease. There's just no way, especially over Christmas, when Paddy gets a few pints into him, that he's going to be told to sit down or not to go over to Mick's table cause he hasn't seen him since March etc. etc.


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  • #1492
    Limpy
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    Russman wrote: »
    In fairness the government can't really go around each pub and decide which ones have done enough to be allowed to open and which ones wouldn't be deemed controlled environments. It'd be like playing whack-a-mole.
    We saw in the earlier phases, regardless of what anyone thought of the buying a meal issue, that plenty of pubs will not keep to the rules.
    Its a terrible situation for anyone in the hospitality sector, but opening the pubs will inevitably lead to spread of the disease. There's just no way, especially over Christmas, when Paddy gets a few pints into him, that he's going to be told to sit down or not to go over to Mick's table cause he hasn't seen him since March etc. etc.

    Statistically school are worse then pubs. So its not just about numbers .


  • #1493
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    People signed up to this lockdown as it was time limited

    Pubs will have to be opened at least in some limited way for December or the government will lose the people

    lose the people?i thino they've lost the people a long time ago same as NPHET.


  • #1494
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    Limpy wrote: »
    Statistically school are worse then pubs. So its not just about numbers .

    I don't disagree with you on that. I've never bought into the idea that schools can spread normal flu, colds, chest infections, head lice etc., but can't spread COVID.
    Govt/society obviously decided that children's education was more important than pubs being open. Hard to argue with that tbh.
    I've no idea how much of the spike a couple of months ago is attributable to the "wet" pubs being allowed to open outside Dublin, but surely it must have been a factor.


  • #1495
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Erin Jolly Lettuce wrote: »
    Hi, I don’t personally think that opening the pubs is feasible or sensible until into the new year, too many people will flock to them and they are unfortunately too much of a risk for spreading covid-19.

    I know some posters are likely to disagree with this view point and so on but it would fit with how many would see the virus being controlled.

    Which New Year though? 20121?2022? 2030?


  • #1496
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    SB71 wrote: »
    lose the people?i thino they've lost the people a long time ago same as NPHET.

    I'd say they lost a relatively small segment of the people. Most people can see what's going on in our near neighbours and realise that some of the first things to be closed in Europe in this wave were pubs, restaurants and cafes. As long as this virus is around, our way of life will be different to what it was whether we like it or not. Pubs being closed 100% is awful but a small enough price to pay to avoid scenes like Italy or Belgium IMO.


  • #1497
    Limpy
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    Its gone beyond keeping pubs closed on a temporary basis. The damage done in the long term will destroy the pubs. Driving people into house party's and attaching stigma to people who drink in pubs is going to take a long time to fix.

    Tourism will be destroyed also. Atleast when pubs were open we'd always have the option of an open fire, a bit of music ect for when the weather wasn't good, Which was most of the time.


  • #1498
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Russman wrote: »
    I'd say they lost a relatively small segment of the people. Most people can see what's going on in our near neighbours and realise that some of the first things to be closed in Europe in this wave were pubs, restaurants and cafes. As long as this virus is around, our way of life will be different to what it was whether we like it or not. Pubs being closed 100% is awful but a small enough price to pay to avoid scenes like Italy or Belgium IMO.

    nope id say they have lost a extmetely large percentage of people, it's been one disaster after another with this shambles of a goverment , how can anyone keep a straight face and say they are doing a good job, they are a farce.


  • #1499
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Limpy wrote: »
    Its gone beyond keeping pubs closed on a temporary basis. The damage done in the long term will destroy the pubs. Driving people into house party's and attaching stigma to people who drink in pubs is going to take a long time to fix.

    Tourism will be destroyed also. Atleast when pubs were open we'd always have the option of an open fire, a bit of music ect for when the weather wasn't good, Which was most of the time.


    The fact is like so many have said, the knock on effects will be felt for years and will be far worse than this virus ever will be, how many people have lost their jobs permanantly and are struggling financially, not everyone has the luxury of working from home,the travel industry is fcuked and with that come huge job losses, the hospitality is sector the same, and for what...locking down society all for a virus where the vast majority will fully recover from .

    If these lock downs continue indefinitelty it doesnt take a genius to see what will happen, we'll become a very poor country with huge debts and with huge unemployment, people depressed with nothing to do or look forward in life and with that tragicaly the suicide rate will rise drastically.


  • #1500
    [Deleted User]
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    opinionated3 wrote: »
    The small rural pub I frequent went to great lengths to make sure everyone was safe. Taking bookings, three to a table etc. What was the point of investing money in the signage, plastic screens etc only to be told to stay closed? How many jobs are nphet willing to sacrifice before they decide enough is enough?

    Listening to Claire Byrne this morning, speaking with Dr. Gabriel Scally (another "expert" all too happy to condescend). He was most encouraging about people being able to socialise again in December. Then she mentioned pubs, and his tone changed sharply. "No Claire, I don't agree with that at all." It is this prevailing ignorance that is damaging pubs. Just don't reference the schools, after all 500-1000 pupils are perfectly safe whereas a maximum of 15 socially distanced punters in the local is far too dangerous.


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  • #1501
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Listening to Claire Byrne this morning, speaking with Dr. Gabriel Scally (another "expert" all too happy to condescend). He was most encouraging about people being able to socialise again in December. Then she mentioned pubs, and his tone changed sharply. "No Claire, I don't agree with that at all." It is this prevailing ignorance that is damaging pubs. Just don't reference the schools, after all 500-1000 pupils are perfectly safe whereas a maximum of 15 socially distanced punters in the local is far too dangerous.

    Where you get the 15 from?


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