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  • #1592
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    No, this is it

    Yeah, like, I'd consider reporting a post as being fairly petty short of the post being openly abusive or calling for violence or something..


  • #1593
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah, like, I'd consider reporting a post as being fairly petty short of the post being openly abusive or calling for violence or something..

    "Please click on the Report Post button (Report Icon) on the bottom left of the individual post in question (under the name of the member that posted it).

    You should report a post when you feel it needs to be brought to a moderator's attention. This could be because it's spam, it's abusive, it's in the wrong place, it's liable to cause a row or that it's intentionally misleading.

    Reported posts are brought to the attention of the forum moderators and administrators, who will then consider if the post warrants any further action. All reported posts are recorded and reviewed. They are not responded to individually.

    By reporting posts you help keep Boards.ie free of spam, abuse and other not nice things. Thank you for that."

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  • #1594
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm not demanding to know who is reporting my posts..If there are certain posters abusing the report function systematically though reporting anyone they disagree with for any reason possible that's not on..

    If a poster or two are responsible for getting too many people threadbanned that should be looked at in the interest of fairness by the mods..
    It's not abusing the function if they believe the poster to be violating the rules...


  • #1595
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,745 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Mods need to get a handle of the Trump thread, if the rule state no name calling of either candidate then why are posters allowed to throw the Racist and Fascist labels around? To me that's 10 times worse then calling someone sleepy and yes I have reported the posts in question.


  • #1596
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I have reported the posts in question.

    You are presumably referring to the reports made 30 minutes ago? They will be looked at in due course.

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  • #1597
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    Mods need to get a handle of the Trump thread, if the rule state no name calling of either candidate then why are posters allowed to throw the Racist and Fascist labels around? To me that's 10 times worse then calling someone sleepy and yes I have reported the posts in question.

    thats not namecalling

    its descriptive of behaviour and political positioning

    this is simple stuff tbh


  • #1598
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,949 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    How do people still think report = ban and that the content in the post is irrelevant.


  • #1599
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Deleted User wrote: »
    thats not namecalling

    its descriptive of behaviour and political positioning

    this is simple stuff tbh

    So you'd be okay with users being called commie or pinko? Please.

    So much disingenuous arguments being made and all so it can be excused when leftists insult those who have the audacity to disagree with them.

    Name calling should either be allowed for everyone or no one - you can't have only one side being subjected to a standard of posting the other side rarely if ever is.


  • #1600
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    So you'd be okay with users being called commie or pinko? Please.

    So much disingenuous arguments being made and all so it can be excused when leftists insult those who have the audacity to disagree with them.

    Name calling should either be allowed for everyone or no one - you can't have only one side being subjected to a standard of posting the other side rarely if ever is.

    i find it hard to even tell if you are being serious, tbh

    you have just ignored the point made and come right back repeating yourself.

    why would i continue to engage with that?

    its the kind of posting that gets infractions, that


  • #1601
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Your point was not ignored - on the contrary, I rebutted it.

    You can dress up such pejoratives as merely being "descriptive of behaviour and political positioning" as much as you like, but the context in which these terms are often often slung at users show that they are not merely being used in response to a user's behaviour at all, nor their political positioning, they are in fact used in an effort to demean and discredit.

    I should know, I've been called a racist enough on Boards without my ever having said anything remotely racist. Just because leftists infer racism in a user's comments, does not, and should not, give those users carte blance to hurl abusive insults, no matter how much they feel they are entitled to do so.


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  • #1602
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,017 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I think there's a distinction to be made between terms such as fascist and sexist, which, even though they are thrown around far too easily, are actual words with meanings, and terms like Trumptard or Trump Derangement Syndrome, which have no meaning other than as an insult.


  • #1603
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 18,837 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    hullaballoo wrote: »
    Admin: this thread is very much not what this forum is intended for and unless there is a very concerted effort to bring it back around to the aims of this forum in the next day or two, I'll be closing it off.
    Admin: This seems to have been all but completely ignored.

    Fair warning, I'm closing this thread tomorrow unless the discussion comes back around to that which can be of benefit to the site.


  • #1604
    KyussB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's not abusing the function if they believe the poster to be violating the rules...
    The rules are deliberately ambiguous and the mods give themselves infinite leeway to interpret the rules as they wish, and to enforce them in as inconsistent a manner as they wish - such that virtually anyone can be a target.

    What is considered an acceptable tangent in a thread from one poster, is 'off topic' for another posters for *insert random made up reason based on decade old mod actions*.

    A person can literally be backseat modding all the time about what counts as on/off topic, never get actioned for it - and successfully get people actioned through reported posts, over perfectly normal and expected tangents.

    The mods even refuse to post on-thread warnings when they consider things as off topic - and go straight to cards - and justify this with arbitrary personalized bullshit, which they universally always circle the wagons around.


  • #1605
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    KyussB wrote: »
    A person can literally be backseat modding all the time about what counts as on/off topic, never get actioned for it - and successfully get people actioned through reported posts, over perfectly normal and expected tangents.

    The mods even refuse to post on-thread warnings when they consider things as off topic - and go straight to cards - and justify this with arbitrary personalized bullshit, which they universally always circle the wagons around.

    Please PM or report some examples for me. Thanks.


  • #1606
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,593 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    So you'd be okay with users being called commie or pinko? Please.

    So much disingenuous arguments being made and all so it can be excused when leftists insult those who have the audacity to disagree with them.

    Name calling should either be allowed for everyone or no one - you can't have only one side being subjected to a standard of posting the other side rarely if ever is.

    Why would you think calling another user a commie or a pinko would not be sanctionable?

    Same as if you started calling users fascist or racist, it's personal abuse plain and simple.


    But that wasn't snoopsheep's point and you know that, you changed the argument to users when they were clearly referring to points made about non-users ie Trump


  • #1607
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Necro wrote: »
    Why would you think calling another user a commie or a pinko would not be sanctionable?

    Same as if you started calling users fascist or racist, it's personal abuse plain and simple.

    But that wasn't snoopsheep's point and you know that, you changed the argument to users when they were clearly referring to points made about non-users ie Trump


    Tbh I'm confused about the users / non-users thing. I know posters cant use the phrase 'sleepy [fill in name of person] where it implies Alzheimer's etc. And you certainly can't say that of a user. But if I said that (for example) republicans / democrats were all 'criminals' or 'paedophiles' and by doing so infer that the poster was the same - for supporting them - would that be sanctionable?

    :confused:


  • #1608
    KyussB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    Baggly wrote: »
    Please PM or report some examples for me. Thanks.
    I think it was the prior thing I mentioned on this thread a month or more ago - and reported relevant backseat modding examples around then.


  • #1609
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,593 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    gozunda wrote:
    Tbh I'm confused about the users / non-users thing. I know posters cant use the phrase 'sleepy [fill in name of person] where it implies Alzheimer's etc. And you certainly can't say that of a user. But if I said that (for example) republicans / democrats were all 'criminals' or 'paedophiles' and by doing so infer that the poster was the same - for supporting them - would that be sanctionable?

    I think it depends. Are you using it to gain a rise out of other users ie trolling or are you trying to have a general discussion with such posts. I think you're running into hassle inferring a poster is the same in any case, the rules are pretty clear on attacking the posts not the poster.

    As always, context is key. And such generalisations rarely add to any discussion in my experience. From what I gather the whole sleepy stuff was banned as users were simply doing it to get a rise out of the other side, so in other words they were trolling with those posts.


  • #1610
    KyussB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    Necro wrote: »
    Why would you think calling another user a commie or a pinko would not be sanctionable?
    As the person on Boards who likely has had this label applied to them more than any other poster (to the point that my last username KomradeBishop took the piss out of this fact), despite endless statements that it doesn't represent me or my views, I find that kind of laughable. I even brought that up here on Feedback at some stage.

    I don't think it on its own should be sanctionable either, mind; but when combined with bad faith argument, particularly borderline trolling - that's when it'd make sense (and even then, doesn't need permanent recorded sanction - just modding with "cop-on" type posts is enough).


  • #1611
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    KyussB wrote:
    I think it was the prior thing I mentioned on this thread a month or more ago - and reported relevant backseat modding examples around then.


    I'll take a look for you.


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  • #1612
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Necro wrote: »
    I think it depends. Are you using it to gain a rise out of other users ie trolling or are you trying to have a general discussion with such posts. I think you're running into hassle inferring a poster is the same in any case, the rules are pretty clear on attacking the posts not the poster.

    As always, context is key. And such generalisations rarely add to any discussion in my experience. From what I gather the whole sleepy stuff was banned as users were simply doing it to get a rise out of the other side, so in other words they were trolling with those posts.

    Unfortunately, the moderation isn't consistent when it comes to such generalised terms.

    For example, there are some nationalist posters who use the term "partitionist" to refer to anyone who disagrees with them purely as a ruse to get a rise out of the other side. As you say, it adds zero to the discussion, and is only used to troll.

    Yet, despite complaints in the past, it hasn't been actioned.


  • #1613
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Necro wrote: »
    I think it depends. Are you using it to gain a rise out of other users ie trolling or are you trying to have a general discussion with such posts. I think you're running into hassle inferring a poster is the same in any case, the rules are pretty clear on attacking the posts not the poster.

    As always, context is key. And such generalisations rarely add to any discussion in my experience. From what I gather the whole sleepy stuff was banned as users were simply doing it to get a rise out of the other side, so in other words they were trolling with those posts.

    No not advocating for the use of such terms :pac: . I agree that use of same would rarely (if ever) add to any discussion in my experience.

    Moreso anyone inferring that all republican/ democrats (for example) or any posters in supporting them were paedophiles or whatever would certainly amount to trolling.

    That said it happens quite frequently. And no not always sanctioned.


  • #1614
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Baggly wrote: »
    I'll take a look for you.

    Ive found reports that claim backseat modding going back 6 weeks and reviewed each of them.

    Where action was appropriate it was taken, where it wasnt; it wasnt taken. I will say that not all of the actions taken may be apparent to you, but they were taken nonetheless.

    By that i mean if a user has their post deleted you may not see an action against that post. Or if the post was just deleted (which i sometimes do if there are a chain of off topic posts) then you also may not see this and thus not see it as 'active' moderation.

    If you continue to see posts as backseat modding, please keep reporting them. They will all be reviewed and actioned where appropriate.

    Im sorry but i cant provide you with further detail than the above, for reasons mentioned by others within the last page of this thread, but hopefully this might reassure you that we are not ignoring anyones reports; we just have a different interpretation of them.


  • #1615
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, the moderation isn't consistent when it comes to such generalised terms.

    For example, there are some nationalist posters who use the term "partitionist" to refer to anyone who disagrees with them purely as a ruse to get a rise out of the other side. As you say, it adds zero to the discussion, and is only used to troll.

    Yet, despite complaints in the past, it hasn't been actioned.



    the general approach from our SF contingent- the three or four accounts that everyone knows, im not sure what detail its appropriate to get into here- on irish politics threads would appear to be enough to see them banned very quickly indeed under the rules on US politics threads.

    is that not a strange division of approaches?


  • #1616
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    markodaly wrote: »
    Yes, and the other one, of course, is saying someone is a 'shill'

    Now, afaik, calling someone a Shinnerbot or a bot is an actionable offence, yet one can call someone a shill or a FF/FG/Green shill with impunity.

    There is NO consistency at all here.
    Either permit both or action both.


    to be fair- id imply all the time that the three or four of them are pretty much just that and i rarely get actioned for it

    that may be because no reporting or maybe its fair comment, i dunno


  • #1617
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    the general approach from our SF contingent- the three or four accounts that everyone knows, im not sure what detail its appropriate to get into here- on irish politics threads would appear to be enough to see them banned very quickly indeed under the rules on US politics threads.

    is that not a strange division of approaches?

    I think we’re comparing apples with oranges if we start likening the US politics, or identity politics, threads with Irish politics.

    Sure there is a bit of “mud slinging” amid the, heated, cut and thrust of robust debate but the Irish politics threads aren’t populated with crackpots and loons. Well, not to the same degree.

    Those threads are always, and should always, be moderated differently. If the denizens of the US politics, and identity politics, threads were to pick up “forum bans” then they’d be scuttling off and making a mess of other, more normal, forums.

    Anyway, I, personally, don’t believe that the posters in the Irish politics threads are as “sensitive” as the types that post in the others. They don’t seem get as “butthurt” over the little things, maybe I’m wrong but might be interesting to compare the rates of “reported” posts in each.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #1618
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    I think we’re comparing apples with oranges if we start likening the US politics, or identity politics, threads with Irish politics.

    Sure there is a bit of “mud slinging” amid the, heated, cut and thrust of robust debate but the Irish politics threads aren’t populated with crackpots and loons. Well, not to the same degree.

    Those threads are always, and should always, be moderated differently. If the denizens of the US politics, and identity politics, threads were to pick up “forum bans” then they’d be scuttling off and making a mess of other, more normal, forums.

    Anyway, I, personally, don’t believe that the posters in the Irish politics threads are as “sensitive” as the types that post in the others. They don’t seem get as “butthurt” over the little things, maybe I’m wrong but might be interesting to compare the rates of “reported” posts in each.

    sorry emmet, not a single solid point scored there for me

    i. nothing to do with id politics or sensitivities. irish political threads are unusable due to the rotating-shift partisan hack attacks

    ii. "all these threads are good containers so that the threads i like are kept clear" isnt actually any defence at all, and i wish you'd stop saying it as if it were an excuse for not moderating these behaviours

    iii. moderation of current affairs discussion should be consistent across current affairs, politics forum and the approach taken there has been done to death but seems largely irrelevant to the point here imo

    iv. the irish politics threads arent really populated by anyone BUT crackpots and loons, or those who i sincerely hope actually are getting paid to be there. pop in sometime, its three shins and a little lady and everyone else has just bailed because of the tiresome rote nature of how every issue is discussed.

    its a real issue but *shrug*


  • #1619
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,525 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    gozunda wrote: »
    Tbh I'm confused about the users / non-users thing. I know posters cant use the phrase 'sleepy [fill in name of person] where it implies Alzheimer's etc. And you certainly can't say that of a user. But if I said that (for example) republicans / democrats were all 'criminals' or 'paedophiles' and by doing so infer that the poster was the same - for supporting them - would that be sanctionable?

    :confused:

    There is a site rule against personal abuse. That is any abuse directed towards another user

    When it comes down to abuse directed towards 3rd parties it's up to local mods/charters

    So, for example, the Soccer Forum has a specific rule against abusing players/managers/officials or pretty much anyone

    In the case of CA we do not have such a rule, but we do have the "Don't be a Dick" rule

    In the election discussions dementia and "sleepy Joe" became weapons in the discussion. Posters found it offensive (and indeed trolling) and we clamped down. In doing so we have recognised similar "protection" had to be afforded Trump. Those "rules" applied to the election threads. We only started handing out sanctions after making it very clear that such names/descriptions were not permitted

    There remains no such specific rule elsewhere in the forum. "Don't be a dick" remains the overriding principle, and if posters use "name-calling" or abusive terms to troll others they can expect sanction

    Of course it's very easy for anyone to avoid getting into a situation where their intent needs questioning


  • #1620
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,525 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    markodaly - you are currently disputing a card in the DRP - do not use Feedback threads to try and gain support for your position

    I've deleted 2 of your posts for doing so

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this post in-thread (and that also applies to everyone else)


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  • #1621
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,525 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Please use this thread to provide forum feedback, not highlight specific issues you can very easily report (and yes a post has been deleted)


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