Is Kilmartin, Dublin 15 a safe area to live ?

vvs09 · 28-07-2020 12:55am #1

Hi All,

Not trying to raise any conflict or debate but I just wanted a common view.

I am planning to buy a house in Kilmartin, Dublin 15, as there is a new dwelling coming up.

This area is close to Tyrrelstown. Wondering how safe is it to live in Kilmartin?

Also, from google maps the area seems to be quite remote. Will it worth buying a house in the area? Would be good to get a general opinion about the area as I am not very well acquainted.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

LorelaiG · 28-07-2020 9:17am

vvs09 wrote: »

Hi All,

Not trying to raise any conflict or debate but I just wanted a common view.

I am planning to buy a house in Kilmartin, Dublin 15, as there is a new dwelling coming up.

This area is close to Tyrrelstown. Wondering how safe is it to live in Kilmartin?

Also, from google maps the area seems to be quite remote. Will it worth buying a house in the area? Would be good to get a general opinion about the area as I am not very well acquainted.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Is it the Bellingsmore development? If so it's close enough to tyrellstown for it to be not really remote.

vvs09 · 28-07-2020 9:56am

LorelaiG wrote: »

Is it the Bellingsmore development? If so it's close enough to tyrellstown for it to be not really remote.

Yes, its Bellingsmore.

Thanks for confirming that the estate is not much remote. However, being close to Tyrellstown makes me concerned as Tyrellstown has a mixed reputation.

Former Former · 28-07-2020 10:15am

Tyrrellstown isn't the most desirable area in Dublin, but I don't think it's actually unsafe so I wouldn't worry about that.

Before buying in Kilmartin/Bellingsmore, do your homework on the surrounding area - I think a lot of it is zoned for future housing so it won't be as rural and remote for long... there was also a proposal from the county council to build a large amount of social housing in the area.

I don't mean to be negative but that whole area will be completely different in 10 years so go in with your eyes open.

Edit: sorry, the social housing plans are actually for lands to the south of Tyrrellstown

Hurrache · 28-07-2020 11:55am

Kilmartin as an area doesn't really exist at the moment. It's just a rural area with fields and a couple of scattered houses. The development will be between Hollystown and Tyrrelstown.

I wouldn't be at all worried about Tyrrelstown.

vvs09 · 28-07-2020 12:19pm

Former Former wrote: »

Tyrrellstown isn't the most desirable area in Dublin, but I don't think it's actually unsafe so I wouldn't worry about that.

Before buying in Kilmartin/Bellingsmore, do your homework on the surrounding area - I think a lot of it is zoned for future housing so it won't be as rural and remote for long... there was also a proposal from the county council to build a large amount of social housing in the area.

I don't mean to be negative but that whole area will be completely different in 10 years so go in with your eyes open.

Edit: sorry, the social housing plans are actually for lands to the south of Tyrrellstown

Thanks for the suggestion.

As you say that the council houses will be coming towards south of Tyrrelstown. I believe that should not be impacting the development and dwellings in Kilmartin/Hollystown. Correct me if I am wrong.

vvs09 · 28-07-2020 12:20pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Kilmartin as an area doesn't really exist at the moment. It's just a rural area with fields and a couple of scattered houses. The development will be between Hollystown and Tyrrelstown.

I wouldn't be at all worried about Tyrrelstown.

Thank you for the suggestion.

AlanG · 28-07-2020 1:53pm

Former Former wrote: »

Tyrrellstown isn't the most desirable area in Dublin, but I don't think it's actually unsafe so I wouldn't worry about that.

Before buying in Kilmartin/Bellingsmore, do your homework on the surrounding area - I think a lot of it is zoned for future housing so it won't be as rural and remote for long... there was also a proposal from the county council to build a large amount of social housing in the area.

I don't mean to be negative but that whole area will be completely different in 10 years so go in with your eyes open.

I would agree that Tyrrelstown is by no means unsafe. There have been a few incidents but without social media it would be unknown as it is by and large just a typical new middle class area. It is not like the areas that were built in the 80's , tyrrelstown has above average mean incomes for Ireland and has a lot of facilities in the area. As an area it is probably reaching its peak for its teenage population so like other areas before it is likely to settle further in the next 10 years.

RBKODIAN · 28-07-2020 5:05pm

Before buying in Kilmartin/Bellingsmore, do your homework on the surrounding area - I think a lot of it is zoned for future housing so it won't be as rural and remote for long... there was also a proposal from the county council to build a large amount of social housing in the area.

Can you please share a link of where I can find the social housing information ? Thanks in advance!

RBKODIAN · 28-07-2020 5:06pm

We have been talking to couple of people in the neighbouring Hollywoorath development who have lived there since 2017 and they shared good reviews about the area . If that helps

vvs09 · 28-07-2020 6:22pm

RBKODIAN wrote: »

We have been talking to couple of people in the neighbouring Hollywoorath development who have lived there since 2017 and they shared good reviews about the area . If that helps

Thanks for the reply. Its good to hear positive response.

RBKODIAN · 29-07-2020 10:29am

DO you know if Bellingsmore will have management fee / managment company for the estate ?

vvs09 · 29-07-2020 1:37pm

RBKODIAN wrote: »

DO you know if Bellingsmore will have management fee / managment company for the estate ?

No, not sure.

steve2012 · 01-08-2020 12:04am

I'm looking at bellingsmore also. Deposit is down. It's either bellingsmore or Hollywoodrath if I'm being honest.

Both developments are far enough from tyrrlestown. Bellingsmore is on the town land boarder. Hollystown is a middle class family area with a nice mix of Irish and emigrants that I believe mainly work in healthcare.

There shouldn't be any management fees that I'm aware of.

You wouldn't notice at the moment due to covid going on. But the area is over the Dublin airport flightpath, this will increase again at some stage. IV never heard complaints about it though and supposably residents get used to it quickly

Nijmegen · 02-08-2020 3:17pm

Hollywoodrath resident here, across the road. (Odd the way estate agents and developers name areas - part of the future development of the estate will be on Hollystown Golf Club, it sits in between Hollywoodrath and Hollystown as the crow flies... But I guess it's naming conventions to avoid confusion in marketing.)

Firstly I'd recommend reading the Hollywoodrath thread here. Different developers but the topic of the area has come up a few times.

The whole area is marked for considerable development (beyond the already considerable development of Hollywoodrath, Bay Meadows and Bellingsmore itself). As well as the schools already in the area there's more set to be built I believe and the Fingal development plan is quite clear on what'll be going up around you. Well worth a read.

As for Tyrrelstown, this was a question I had when I moved to Hollywoodrath in the first phase of that estate. To be honest apart from a few teenage kids doing teenage kid things (which I grew up with in areas of D15 with a lot higher house prices!) it's fine. Tyrrelstown itself is actually very handy between the Supervalu, the Lidl, the (great) off license, butchers, take aways etc. The Tyrrelstown park - basically beside the schools across the road from Bellingsmore - is also really very nice to go for a walk in.

Most of the people buying in the area are first time buyers with young families. Good neighbors.

All in all as I've mentioned when asked in the HWR thread, the value proposition of the area is more house for your money with less of the desirability of the area you'd get if you bought in, say, Clonsilla or Delwood or similar (closer to Blanch village, the centre etc etc). There's about a 20-27% price per square foot reduction in the area for new, A-rated homes (versus a lot of fixer uppers, probate sales etc down below).

As long as that car-based experience and the location suit you, I'd recommend the area.

Re social housing provision, this arises in every new development. Either the developers need to allocate it in the estate or in another development somewhere and it's worth asking about, but no matter where you move if you're going to a new build estate the developer has to provision for social housing per the rules of planning permission.

koHd · 10-08-2020 10:55pm

We've also put a deposit on a house in Bellingsmore.

I had a similar concern about the locality due to the stories going around about taxi robberies and a "gang" ruining the name of Tyrrelstown, which is a stones throw away from Bellingsmore. But, after a lot of consideration and discussions, the conclusion was that practically every new neighbourhood in Dublin with houses < 400k will be within a stones throw of trouble makers. Also, from what I can find relating to the actual trouble in Tyrrelstown, it is majorly overhypped due to social media and an element of racism. I've lived within bad areas and within stones throw of bad areas most of my life and have seen/heard worse things than what has been reported from Tyrrelstown. Hopefully the good community can nip the bad elements in the bud there and these new estates can help revitalise the local town.

I skimmed through the Local Area Plan for Kilmartin the other night. It sounds well thought out. Enforcing Biking infrastructure, parks, and low density housing. But the plan was made before Hollystown golf course went under. So, I'm wondering if the low density housing will also be enforced on that land? I hope so. I'm all for high density, in the right locations (I live in one now, beside train station). But this location is not right for it. Is there any further info available about the planning permission guidelines for Hollystown golf course lands?

steve2012 · 11-08-2020 1:04am

koHd wrote: »

We've also put a deposit on a house in Bellingsmore.

I had a similar concern about the locality due to the stories going around about taxi robberies and a "gang" ruining the name of Tyrrelstown, which is a stones throw away from Bellingsmore. But, after a lot of consideration and discussions, the conclusion was that practically every new neighbourhood in Dublin with houses < 400k will be within a stones throw of trouble makers. Also, from what I can find relating to the actual trouble in Tyrrelstown, it is majorly overhypped due to social media and an element of racism. I've lived within bad areas and within stones throw of bad areas most of my life and have seen/heard worse things than what has been reported from Tyrrelstown. Hopefully the good community can nip the bad elements in the bud there and these new estates can help revitalise the local town.

I skimmed through the Local Area Plan for Kilmartin the other night. It sounds well thought out. Enforcing Biking infrastructure, parks, and low density housing. But the plan was made before Hollystown golf course went under. So, I'm wondering if the low density housing will also be enforced on that land? I hope so. I'm all for high density, in the right locations (I live in one now, beside train station). But this location is not right for it. Is there any further info available about the planning permission guidelines for Hollystown golf course lands?

I'm unsure how strict they will be about low density. I know in the last year the contractor in Hollywoodrath for example got all the 3 bed semi's in his remaining phases to 3 bed terrace and end of terrace, which increases the density slightly.

Glenveagh own the lands of Hollystown golf course and they did attempt to go with a higher density planning of 253 residential units – 120 apartments and 133 houses. This was rejected, but I'm sure they'll resubmit at a certain stage and adjust what they need. I believe they also own the lands passed phase 2 of bellingsmore to the west, which will eventually be developed.

I believe there can only be a certain density on people within the area per 100 sqm due to the area being situated over the flight path.

Do you mind me asking which house type you've reserved?. Any word on when contracts will be released.

koHd · 11-08-2020 5:50pm

steve2012 wrote: »

I'm unsure how strict they will be about low density. I know in the last year the contractor in Hollywoodrath for example got all the 3 bed semi's in his remaining phases to 3 bed terrace and end of terrace, which increases the density slightly.

Glenveagh own the lands of Hollystown golf course and they did attempt to go with a higher density planning of 253 residential units – 120 apartments and 133 houses. This was rejected, but I'm sure they'll resubmit at a certain stage and adjust what they need. I believe they also own the lands passed phase 2 of bellingsmore to the west, which will eventually be developed.

I believe there can only be a certain density on people within the area per 100 sqm due to the area being situated over the flight path.

Do you mind me asking which house type you've reserved?. Any word on when contracts will be released.

We're going of an Elm type. Wanted a Beech, but they were all sold by the time we took this development option seriously. We had our hearts set on phase 3 of St. Joseph's, but the competition for places there is so much that we are worried we could put all our focus on it and end up with nothing. So Bellingsmore is a one in the hand is better than two in the bush scenario!

What about yourself? Glad to meet more potential neighbors

Hoping the development plans for the golf course are delayed enough that residents of Bellingsmore can have a say on the plans.

No idea on contracts timing. But with the first time buyers covid stimulus officially launching today, there might be a lot of activity in with contracts coming soon. I think things were a bit in limbo as I'm sure most buyers are using this stimulus.

Hurrache · 11-08-2020 9:49pm

koHd wrote: »

Hoping the development plans for the golf course are delayed enough that residents of Bellingsmore can have a say on the plans.

Hollystown and Hollywoodrath resident groups have been active about it, driven obviously by residents, I'm sure they'd be happy to have more organised groups involved.

steve2012 · 12-08-2020 8:13pm

koHd wrote: »

We're going of an Elm type. Wanted a Beech, but they were all sold by the time we took this development option seriously. We had our hearts set on phase 3 of St. Joseph's, but the competition for places there is so much that we are worried we could put all our focus on it and end up with nothing. So Bellingsmore is a one in the hand is better than two in the bush scenario!

What about yourself? Glad to meet more potential neighbors

Hoping the development plans for the golf course are delayed enough that residents of Bellingsmore can have a say on the plans.

No idea on contracts timing. But with the first time buyers covid stimulus officially launching today, there might be a lot of activity in with contracts coming soon. I think things were a bit in limbo as I'm sure most buyers are using this stimulus.

We had an elm on hold at the walk, but managed to get a beech. Glad to see some other potential buyers.

Unfortunately we won't qualify for anymore of the help to buy scheme due to not working up enough tax (would have got the full amount in the new year). But we're still going ahead with everything.

There's a nice community around hollystown so I'd imagine everyone should have a good say on what happens around the golf course.

Nijmegen · 13-08-2020 12:18pm

steve2012 wrote: »

We had an elm on hold at the walk, but managed to get a beech. Glad to see some other potential buyers.

Unfortunately we won't qualify for anymore of the help to buy scheme due to not working up enough tax (would have got the full amount in the new year). But we're still going ahead with everything.

There's a nice community around hollystown so I'd imagine everyone should have a good say on what happens around the golf course.

As with any developing areas there's a few planning / council matters likely to exercise residents. The R121 was supposed to be made a cul de sac (so only residents would use it, reducing traffic flow) on the stretch between the schools roundabout and the swing roundabout (effectively, the stretch where HWR and Bellingsmore houses face one another) but it was nixed, mixture of residents from further up in old Hollystown not wanting to have to drive around and concerns from people inside the HWR estate that it would be used as a rat run alternative and a few moans about the alternative route a bus would need to take. I'd say it'll need to be looked at again in a big way once Bellingsmore houses come onstream, as now you'll have another estate entrance plus houses driveways on both sides of the road facing onto a road that people genuinely bomb down.

Expect resistance and rows over that...

Hurrache · 13-08-2020 1:34pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

As with any developing areas there's a few planning / council matters likely to exercise residents. The R121 was supposed to be made a cul de sac (so only residents would use it, reducing traffic flow) on the stretch between the schools roundabout and the swing roundabout (effectively, the stretch where HWR and Bellingsmore houses face one another) but it was nixed, mixture of residents from further up in old Hollystown not wanting to have to drive around and concerns from people inside the HWR estate that it would be used as a rat run alternative and a few moans about the alternative route a bus would need to take. I'd say it'll need to be looked at again in a big way once Bellingsmore houses come onstream, as now you'll have another estate entrance plus houses driveways on both sides of the road facing onto a road that people genuinely bomb down.

Expect resistance and rows over that...

"Moans", there weren't moans, they were genuine concerns over bus routing.

Nijmegen · 13-08-2020 5:15pm

Hurrache wrote: »

"Moans", there weren't moans, they were genuine concerns over bus routing.

I reckon some people were using the bus the way others suddenly find an interest in local bats when a planning application comes up. Re-routing a bus, or installing a bus gate, seems a lot more doable and palatable than scraping some unfortunate off the road one of these days. I've had 4x head-on near misses now on that road where someone is slowing to turn into their driveway and an impatient sod decides to overtake them at aggressive speed without due care and attention. And I wouldn't fancy being the people who have houses up at the bend in the road. Now there's gonna be houses and estate entrances on both sides of the road. There was a reason the original local development plan envisioned cul de sacing. There's a variety of solutions that will be thought of the day after someone gets creamed.

Hurrache · 13-08-2020 9:12pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

I reckon some people were using the bus the way others suddenly find an interest in local bats when a planning application comes up.

Pretty dumb logic as it's a genuine concern in an area which only relatively recently got a bus service.

Nijmegen · 13-08-2020 10:56pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Pretty dumb logic as it's a genuine concern in an area which only relatively recently got a bus service.

Some, not all, but some.

And there are plenty of solutions to allow you to have a bus route and simultaneously make the road safe. They'll do it eventually after someone gets hurt if they don't cop on once this estate is sold and there is double the local traffic trying to come and go alongside the speedy types driving by.

deedy27 · 29-09-2020 10:48pm

steve2012 wrote: »

We had an elm on hold at the walk, but managed to get a beech. Glad to see some other potential buyers.

Unfortunately we won't qualify for anymore of the help to buy scheme due to not working up enough tax (would have got the full amount in the new year). But we're still going ahead with everything.

There's a nice community around hollystown so I'd imagine everyone should have a good say on what happens around the golf course.

@Steve2012, any indication on move in dates for Phase 1?

Archie2020 · 12-10-2020 2:20pm

Hi Everyone,

Am thinking of buying a house in phase 2in Bellingsmore but I was looking for your thoughts on something.

Does anyone know why , or have any thoughts on why, the houses in Bellingsmore are bigger & work out cheaper than Hollywoodrath across the road? Is it because the address for Bellingsmore will be Tyrellstown as opposed to Hollystown?

For example, you get more square footage on a 4 bed house in bellingsmore at a cheraper price when compared to a 4 bed house in Hollywoodrath with smaller square footage?

Its something that's been playing on my mind & Im wondering what the catch is.

Would love to hear some of your thoughts.....

Nijmegen · 12-10-2020 10:20pm

Archie2020 wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

Am thinking of buying a house in phase 2in Bellingsmore but I was looking for your thoughts on something.

Does anyone know why , or have any thoughts on why, the houses in Bellingsmore are bigger & work out cheaper than Hollywoodrath across the road? Is it because the address for Bellingsmore will be Tyrellstown as opposed to Hollystown?

For example, you get more square footage on a 4 bed house in bellingsmore at a cheraper price when compared to a 4 bed house in Hollywoodrath with smaller square footage?

Its something that's been playing on my mind & Im wondering what the catch is.

Would love to hear some of your thoughts.....

Two different developers with different business models, if I had to guess. They may have also paid different amounts to buy the land at different times, for example. The actual quality of the construction is largely going to be determinate of the rating the homes get, and they're all A-rated.

Archie2020 · 13-10-2020 10:38am

Nijmegen wrote: »

Two different developers with different business models, if I had to guess. They may have also paid different amounts to buy the land at different times, for example. The actual quality of the construction is largely going to be determinate of the rating the homes get, and they're all A-rated.

Thanks Nijmegan for your comments I never thought of that

steve2012 · 13-10-2020 10:24pm

Archie2020 wrote: »

Thanks Nijmegan for your comments I never thought of that

The price difference I'd imagine would also be down to "what you get for your money"

The homes in Hollywoodrath all have a front drive. Can fit four cars in some of them. The gardens might be slightly bigger( not sure). And they have solar panels ( 5 on the older home I believe, 2 on the newer ones). There is also more open space in Hollywoodrath.

I was a fan of that estate but the remaining phase was changed by the developer so I personally opted for the larger home for in bellingsmore.

Archie2020 · 13-10-2020 10:57pm

steve2012 wrote: »

The price difference I'd imagine would also be down to "what you get for your money"

The homes in Hollywoodrath all have a front drive. Can fit four cars in some of them. The gardens might be slightly bigger( not sure). And they have solar panels ( 5 on the older home I believe, 2 on the newer ones). There is also more open space in Hollywoodrath.

I was a fan of that estate but the remaining phase was changed by the developer so I personally opted for the larger home for in bellingsmore.

Hey Steve2012,

I am the same as you I had my heart set on hollywoodrath until I seen bellingsmore.

I agree on the open space in hollywoodrath and the gardens seem to be bigger than what you will get in bellingsmore.....my only concern with bellingsmore is the potential to extend the house at the back, I dont think bellingsmore will have the same potential as hollywoodrath when it comes to future expansion.

Do you mind me asking what type house you bought in bellingsmore? I was looking at the ash type myself but the ability to add an extension onto this type of house has cast some doubt for me....and I'm also concerned about what will happen to hollystown golf course in the future.....although from what I hear any development of houses or apartments on this golf course will be on the opposite side of the golf course to bellingsmore if that makes sense

Nijmegen · 14-10-2020 7:52pm

I believe the plans are already available to view including the location of the apartment buildings. They’re not due to be that far away. Although I think the planning is going through revision after this: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/bord-plean%C3%A1la-rejects-fast-track-plans-for-3-770-new-homes-1.3952587

Agreed with the comments around green space and extendability in Hollywoodrath. Lot of folks seem to be putting their pandemic savings into extensions lately.

Archie2020 · 15-10-2020 12:03pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

I believe the plans are already available to view including the location of the apartment buildings. They’re not due to be that far away. Although I think the planning is going through revision after this:

Agreed with the comments around green space and extendability in Hollywoodrath. Lot of folks seem to be putting their pandemic savings into extensions lately.

Thanks for sharing the article. I believe these plans were originally rejected on the basis that the high rise apartments in this plan were not a good fit with the rest of the developments in the area or something along them lines but I am sure Glenveagh will rustle something up in their revised plans & get their way in the end! Would be nice to see some shops going in here

steve2012 · 07-11-2020 1:17am

Nijmegen wrote: »

I believe the plans are already available to view including the location of the apartment buildings. They’re not due to be that far away. Although I think the planning is going through revision after this: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/bord-plean%C3%A1la-rejects-fast-track-plans-for-3-770-new-homes-1.3952587

Agreed with the comments around green space and extendability in Hollywoodrath. Lot of folks seem to be putting their pandemic savings into extensions lately.

Looks like we won't be seeing any homes on the golf course now thanks to Dublin GAA purchasing the site off Glenveagh. I read about their plans and it looks promising for the area.

Archie2020 · 07-11-2020 11:00am

steve2012 wrote: »

Looks like we won't be seeing any homes on the golf course now thanks to Dublin GAA purchasing the site off Glenveagh. I read about their plans and it looks promising for the area.

This is great news for the area and I'm sure a relief for the current residents....can you share the article on the plans please ?

steve2012 · 07-11-2020 11:34am

Archie2020 wrote: »

This is great news for the area and I'm sure a relief for the current residents....can you share the article on the plans please ?

I only have the article. They haven't places any plans in yet as its only the early stages. I'm sure they will put forward plans in the next year or two.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-step-up-efforts-for-two-centres-of-excellence-with-purchase-of-hollystown-golf-club-site-39702585.html

Archie2020 · 07-11-2020 12:05pm

steve2012 wrote: »

I only have the article. They haven't places any plans in yet as its only the early stages. I'm sure they will put forward plans in the next year or two.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-step-up-efforts-for-two-centres-of-excellence-with-purchase-of-hollystown-golf-club-site-39702585.html

Thanks a mill, definitely a positive move for the area.....hopefully this will get the ball rolling on some more infrastructure in the area

Hurrache · 07-11-2020 8:44pm

steve2012 wrote: »

Looks like we won't be seeing any homes on the golf course now thanks to Dublin GAA purchasing the site off Glenveagh. I read about their plans and it looks promising for the area.

They haven't bought the site, they have a small portion of the site.
And Glenveagh are such ****s that they'll use this in their next application for housing as a bit of PR to soften people up.

Archie2020 · 07-11-2020 8:56pm

Hurrache wrote: »

They haven't bought the site, they have a small portion of the site.
And Glenveagh are such ****s that they'll use this in their next application for housing as a bit of PR to soften people up.

Just reading up on it and the GAA have "partnered up" with Glenveagh so you are probably right. I do think it's a good move in terms of infrastructure etc but if a stadium goes in there it might not be great for residents in terms of noise traffic and congestion etc....hard to know at this early stage what impact it will have

Hurrache · 07-11-2020 11:31pm

I don't think residents would be too bothered about a stadium, moreso an attempt to cram housing and appartments into it. Certainly the developers are thinking that they can hardly be told no after setting aside land for Dublin GAA, despite not knowing what that deal encompassed. Fingal can be a pretty brutal council when it comes to planning, and the developers aren't snow white either.

koHd · 08-11-2020 12:23pm

It seems Dublin GAA have bought 23 acres of the 162 acres that Glenveagh owned. Haven't seen an outline of the location of the 23 acres. But from articles online it seems the golf course comprises 140 acres of land. And that land is not zoned for residential. Of the 162 acres that they own it seems only 19 acres are zoned for residential. So we should be seeing the golf course land used for things like sports and recreation. Dublin GAA will just be a small part of it. Still positive news. And the fact the majority of the land is for sports and recreation is better than my original understanding. I thought Glenveagh were going to build residential on the whole golf course land.

Older article outlining golf course acres https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/glenveagh-properties-drives-golf-course-homes-in-dublin-f7qv9l8qh

steve2012 · 08-11-2020 4:38pm

koHd wrote: »

It seems Dublin GAA have bought 23 acres of the 162 acres that Glenveagh owned. Haven't seen an outline of the location of the 23 acres. But from articles online it seems the golf course comprises 140 acres of land. And that land is not zoned for residential. Of the 162 acres that they own it seems only 19 acres are zoned for residential. So we should be seeing the golf course land used for things like sports and recreation. Dublin GAA will just be a small part of it. Still positive news. And the fact the majority of the land is for sports and recreation is better than my original understanding. I thought Glenveagh were going to build residential on the whole golf course land.

Older article outlining golf course acres https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/glenveagh-properties-drives-golf-course-homes-in-dublin-f7qv9l8qh

Ah I didn't notice that.
They've purchased the club house of the golf course also, so hopefully the GAA own the land south of that towards Bellingsmore and Hollywoodrath (wishful thinking).

The further away the possible apartment development the better.

Archie2020 · 08-11-2020 4:48pm

steve2012 wrote: »

Ah I didn't notice that.
They've purchased the club house of the golf course also, so hopefully the GAA own the land south of that towards Bellingsmore and Hollywoodrath (wishful thinking).

The further away the possible apartment development the better.

Its this unknown that makes me wonder if hollywoodrath is the better investment......so torn on which development to buy in

on_the_roots · 05-02-2021 6:58pm

Has anyone booked an Alder house type in Bellingsmore on 3rd phase?
Estate Agents said there will be no similar house available for a view before signing contracts and I'm kind of lost to go ahead not having an idea about how that would be in reality.

lead.eningeer · 08-06-2021 10:30am

I am going to move to Bellingsmore next week, I bought the new house for 405K with 4 beds 3 bath on Feb 2021, now the same house is 450K+ above.

I saw old house in hollyhoodrath for 465K with 3beds 2 bath on Jan 2021.

Why old house is soo expensive ?

Nijmegen · 08-06-2021 12:50pm

lead.eningeer wrote: »

I am going to move to Bellingsmore next week, I bought the new house for 405K with 4 beds 3 bath on Feb 2021, now the same house is 450K+ above.

I saw old house in hollyhoodrath for 465K with 3beds 2 bath on Jan 2021.

Why old house is soo expensive ?

Probably because that's what the seller can get for it!

Also, check the property price register to see actual sale prices vs what people ask for. The PPR has 17 entries for Hollywoodrath in 2021, the most expensive was 27 HWR Road, which is one of the new build 5 bed detached for €489k ex-VAT (€555k inc-VAT, so about what they go for new - entries on the PPR for new homes are listed ex-VAT 13.5%, whereas VAT does not apply on the sale of 2nd hand homes).

Nothing 2nd hand I can see went for €465k - indeed, only 1 second hand sale, 6 HWR Crescent, for €353,500 registered on 28/4 of this year. Asking had been €340k according to Daft. 3 bed semi-D.

That house originally sold on 26/1/18 for €295k ex-VAT, €335k inc-VAT so not a huge premium for 3 years owned.

on_the_roots · 09-06-2021 4:15pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

The PPR has 17 entries for Hollywoodrath in 2021, the most expensive was 27 HWR Road, which is one of the new build 5 bed detached for €489k ex-VAT (€600k inc-VAT, so about what they go for new - entries on the PPR for new homes are listed ex-VAT unless I'm mistaken, whereas VAT does not apply on the sale of 2nd hand homes).

Property Price Register does not include VAT.

But VAT on new builds is 13.5%, not 23%.

Nijmegen · 09-06-2021 4:53pm

on_the_roots wrote: »

Property Price Register does not include VAT.

But VAT on new builds is 13.5%, not 23%.

Many thanks and edited the above!

Shauntay · 25-08-2021 8:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114903524#Comment_114903524

Hi,

I could be wrong on this being the reason for the price difference but it could possibly be that Fingal County Council has purchased a large number of houses in Bellingsmore as far I'm aware. You can find exacts on the website.

Glen Veagh seem to work with the council in areas where they build.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114903524#Comment_114903524

Shauntay · 25-08-2021 8:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117370000#Comment_117370000

Fingal County Council have acquired more than 10% of Bellingsmore. This is possibly reflected in the price difference.

Is Kilmartin, Dublin 15 a safe area to live ?

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