US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Hurrache · 07-11-2020 07:19PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m delighted Trump lost, probably one of the most satisfying thing of 2020.

But these pictures of Philadelphia on CNN are kind of a bit surprising. The democrats are supposed to be all about being safe during COVID. I’m not complaining , it shows how relieved people are that Trump lost but if these were republicans celebrating a Trump win there would be uproar. Also shows how we will all interpret the same actions of different people depending on what we support.

Pretty much all wearing masks aren't they?
Plus if you were watching CNN you'd have seen them comment on it too.

Drumpot · 07-11-2020 07:20PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The difference is that one is a spontaneous gathering and the other is organised.

Maybe but it’s unwise and if those were republicans celebrating a Trump win people in here wouldn’t be as understanding.

Hurrache · 07-11-2020 07:24PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Biden wont be "left"enough for the vocal far left.

Police won't be defunded
Embassy wont be moved from Jerusalem
Etc

For the vast majority of Democrats who by European standards are firmly centre at least his presidency should be a return to normality but i predict it wont be complete harmony once the reality of Bidens beliefs and policies unfold

C',Mon, defund the police? You're still missing the point of what that is.

Windmill100000 · 07-11-2020 07:28PM

I'm so happy for America

Drumpot · 07-11-2020 07:36PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Pretty much all wearing masks aren't they?
Plus if you were watching CNN you'd have seen them comment on it too.

I am watching CNN. There’s plenty of crowds bunched up together. Dress it up all you want but it’s irresponsible and there’d be moral outrage if these were pictures of republicans.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:36PM

I mean it’s great joe Biden is the next US president and he may not have been the perfect candidate and some within his own party held their noses, but he’s the one America needs. But hopefully the historic nature of Kamala Harris becoming the first female VP won’t be lost. So I mean America went over two centuries having presidents and Vice Presidents who were all white and male. Now in the space of twelve years they will have had a black president and VP. That’s some way to come.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:38PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Maybe but it’s unwise and if those were republicans celebrating a Trump win people in here wouldn’t be as understanding.

Once they are wearing masks they could be Jedi’s for all people care because despite what people say a mask isn’t political.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:40PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I am watching CNN. There’s plenty of crowds bunched up together. Dress it up all you want but it’s irresponsible and there’d be moral outrage if these were pictures of republicans.

Who’s dressing it up ? Was there a massive spike in covid cases after the protests over the summer where the vast majority of people in those crowds were wearing masks ? If there was I didn’t hear about it.

Drumpot · 07-11-2020 07:42PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Once they are wearing masks they could be Jedi’s for all people care because despite what people say a mask isn’t political.

They are not all wearing masks, I’ve seen plenty without them or wearing them incorrectly.

Some of you are just excusing it because it’s democrats. The response of some
Of you shows why there are such divides in politics , absolutely no self reflection, the others are always worse then my team....

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:42PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I totally understand it , I’d be a staunch Biden supporter in this battle.

If anything I’m just pointing out how we can let our own prejudices (Trump outdoor rallies bad) skewer our interpretations of things. Part of the issues in politics is that no side reflects on its own behaviors, it’s always pointing out the others flaws.

Well trump rallies aren’t bad in and of themselves. It’s the near complete lack of mask wearing is the issue.

Drumpot · 07-11-2020 07:44PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well trump rallies aren’t bad in and of themselves. It’s the near complete lack of mask wearing is the issue.

I totally disagree , The rallies were a joke with or without masks.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:44PM

Drumpot wrote: »

They are not all wearing masks, I’ve seen plenty without them or wearing them incorrectly.

Some of you are just excusing it because it’s democrats. The response of some
Of you shows why there are such divides in politics , absolutely no self reflection, the others are always worse then my team....

What excuses ? In a perfect world they shouldn’t be in a crowd but if they are the advice is to wear a mask. Is it perfect compliance ? No but it’s better than a trump rally.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:46PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I totally disagree , The rallies were a joke with or without masks.

Oh for Christ sake. The content said at them was a joke because most of it was utter waffle which made them a joke. Just to be very clear here I’m not a trump fan.

ExMachina1000 · 07-11-2020 07:47PM

Hurrache wrote: »

C',Mon, defund the police? You're still missing the point of what that is.

Yes defund the police. Many of the extreme minded individuals on the left side subscribe to this kind of mentality among other topics.

But that is surely only a tiny percentage of Democrat voters.
They are vocal though and I think over the coming year it will come up that Biden is more centre than some on the furthest fringes hope for.

But like all things in life. You can't please everyone.

captbarnacles · 07-11-2020 07:49PM

Five Eighth wrote: »

Some might view Trump a buffoon, an ignoramus, uncouth, coarse and semi-illiterate but…he does, as far as others are concerned, represent the views of many US citizens. Amongst these citizens are ‘working-class’ working white men and women. These citizens, sometimes referred to as the ‘left behinds’ view their world as disappearing before their eyes because of:
-Mass immigration
- Globalisation
- Indifference towards national traditions
- Stifling political correctness
- Identity politics
- Hyper individualism
- Growing gap between rich and poor

Many of them have no longer the possibility of well-paid industrial work as the old industries close and, in their place, the gig economy, minimum wages, poor working conditions with weak or no union representation. Many are suffering from intense anxiety about their looming status as a minority group in their own country.

These are decent, hard-working people who are not ‘deplorables’ and should have their legitimate views respected by the political class.

Biden won those voters 52 to 47.

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2020 07:49PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes defund the police. Many of the extreme minded individuals on the left side subscribe to this kind of mentality among other topics.

But that is surely only a tiny percentage of Democrat voters.
They are vocal though and I think over the coming year it will come up that Biden is more centre than some on the furthest fringes hope for.

But like all things in life. You can't please everyone.

Well I think the extreme end of the left wanted to disband the police not just defund them which would a stupid thing to do. Disbanding any police force is just asking for trouble.

~Rebel~ · 07-11-2020 07:49PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I totally disagree , The rallies were a joke with or without masks.

That really is a huge distinction though... like, with them is unfortunate, without them is disaster.

I think you would see a stark difference in imagery had this been a Trump celebration party, in that masks would be on far fewer people.

I've honestly not seen anyone in these images not wearing a mask. I'm sure there are some, but I would guess less than 1%. As much as the imagery of groups of people may look similar, that distinction is the difference between likely transmission and unlikely transmission.

I agree with you it's unfortunate that it's happening, but since it is happening, at least it's happening the right way.

Brian? · 07-11-2020 07:50PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes defund the police. Many of the extreme minded individuals on the left side subscribe to this kind of mentality among other topics.

But that is surely only a tiny percentage of Democrat voters.
They are vocal though and I think over the coming year it will come up that Biden is more centre than some on the furthest fringes hope for.

But like all things in life. You can't please everyone.

Give over. Bide never supported defunding the police.

Akabusi · 07-11-2020 07:52PM

It is a great day for America and the World.

ExMachina1000 · 07-11-2020 07:53PM

Brian? wrote: »

Give over. Bide never supported defunding the police.

I know he didn't. His policies are fairly down the centre in fairness.

What I'm saying is that those on the fringe might be expecting him to be something he wont be and they are vocal. It's not him.

Hurrache · 07-11-2020 07:57PM

Raab being Raab still trying to side with Trump
https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/1325134136798015488?s=19

Five Eighth · 07-11-2020 07:58PM

captbarnacles wrote: »

Biden won those voters 52 to 47.

Biden is seen as a traditional Democrat and i'm happy he won the Presidency. He is the right man to connect with the American white working class. However, the Democratic party are slowly moving away from their roots. Maybe it's a reflection of changing US demographics but this group of people do not deserve to be labelled out of touch traditionalists.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-11-2020 07:59PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I know he didn't. His policies are fairly down the centre in fairness.

What I'm saying is that those on the fringe might be expecting him to be something he wont be and they are vocal. It's not him.

Do Republicans do dumb things because those on the fringe (Gun nuts/Militias) ask for stupid things?

MJohnston · 07-11-2020 08:00PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m delighted Trump lost, probably one of the most satisfying thing of 2020.

But these pictures of Philadelphia on CNN are kind of a bit surprising. The democrats are supposed to be all about being safe during COVID. I’m not complaining , it shows how relieved people are that Trump lost but if these were republicans celebrating a Trump win there would be uproar. Also shows how we will all interpret the same actions of different people depending on what we support.

It's the difference between a totally spontaneous gathering where 99% of people are wearing masks, and a rally organised by Trump where nobody wears masks.

I think they should avoid congregating, or if they have to then do it with distancing, and I think it's silly they're not.

Drumpot · 07-11-2020 08:02PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

That really is a huge distinction though... like, with them is unfortunate, without them is disaster.

I think you would see a stark difference in imagery had this been a Trump celebration party, in that masks would be on far fewer people.

I've honestly not seen anyone in these images not wearing a mask. I'm sure there are some, but I would guess less than 1%. As much as the imagery of groups of people may look similar, that distinction is the difference between likely transmission and unlikely transmission.

I agree with you it's unfortunate that it's happening, but since it is happening, at least it's happening the right way.

I don’t fully agree that’s it an awful lot different but I do agree it’s unfortunate that it’s happening. The saddest thing is that this is a great day and this is how I’m interpreting these celebrations.

~Rebel~ · 07-11-2020 08:05PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t fully agree that’s it an awful lot different but I do agree it’s unfortunate that it’s happening. The saddest thing is that this is a great day and this is how I’m interpreting these celebrations.

I mean, this is just science... it's fairly firmly established that it does makea huge difference. Especially in addition to being outside.

Call Me Jimmy · 07-11-2020 08:05PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

That really is a huge distinction though... like, with them is unfortunate, without them is disaster.

I think you would see a stark difference in imagery had this been a Trump celebration party, in that masks would be on far fewer people.

I've honestly not seen anyone in these images not wearing a mask. I'm sure there are some, but I would guess less than 1%. As much as the imagery of groups of people may look similar, that distinction is the difference between likely transmission and unlikely transmission.

I agree with you it's unfortunate that it's happening, but since it is happening, at least it's happening the right way.

It really is shocking. I mentioned it on the other thread, I don't care if people rally outside either Trump or Biden supporters. But it's so disengenuous to claim it has been such a grave issue and that Trump's rallies were killing people while once Biden get's in it instantly becomes okay. If it's acceptable to be around each other in massive crowds with masks, why the hell isn't the whole world opening up?

TomOnBoard · 07-11-2020 08:06PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Oh yeah. He's got fully autonomy. He made these decisions himself. It's not often you see someone fall from so high though.

He didn't just fall though! He jumped!

Brian? · 07-11-2020 08:06PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I know he didn't. His policies are fairly down the centre in fairness.

What I'm saying is that those on the fringe might be expecting him to be something he wont be and they are vocal. It's not him.

They aren’t, he set his stall out early.

Hurrache · 07-11-2020 08:08PM

So people are caught up with a spontaneous celebration of joy and relief. That's the issue now is it.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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