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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6272
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    manniot2 wrote: »
    how many premature deaths of primary earners have occured in this country since march?

    No idea but i am sure you are about to tell me


  • #6273
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    nofools wrote: »
    Hypothetically, at what level of death would you take it seriously?

    at what level of death would you think restrictions are not required?


  • #6274
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    He literally didn’t say that at all though did he?

    He specifically said protect the elderly.

    Yes but there's zero posts on this thread suggesting any practical way how to do it. So at the end it comes to let it rip through..which is impossible cuz you would fcùk up healthcare. Simple.


  • #6275
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    nofools wrote: »
    You don't know how to use the word literally

    It all started with just one case. Mind blowing but true ;)

    I do.
    If we chase the numbers you are looking for, the ATMs will literally have no money in them.

    The country will collapse.


  • #6276
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Did you call for this when the flu was killing people?

    Or was virtue signaling not a trendy thing back then?


    The flu has a vaccine, seriously, spoon feeding.

    I don't like virtue signalling either

    Your next argument will involve road accidents or some other unavoidable risk won't it?


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  • #6277
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I do.
    If we chase the numbers you are looking for, the ATMs will literally have no money in them.

    The country will collapse.

    "Will literally"....that is some serious certainty.

    Can i have a loan of your crystal ball?


  • #6278
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Fully agree.

    Lost jobs, lost incomes, lost homes, lost businesses is the sad reality for many.

    Except for who you’re replying to. There isn’t any financial impacts there i can tell you. Not to mention the huge lack of empathy.


  • #6279
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Except for who you’re replying to. There isn’t any financial impacts there i can tell you.

    Suffered a lot actually Mr. Assumption

    Plus i am pushing for empathy by behaviour


  • #6280
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,107 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    nofools wrote: »
    The flu has a vaccine, seriously, spoon feeding.

    I don't like virtue signalling either

    Your next argument will involve road accidents or some other unavoidable risk won't it?

    But people die from the flu as a result of us not restricting our movements and interactions.

    Do those deaths not mean anything?


  • #6281
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    nofools wrote: »
    A premature death of the primary earner in a family is a loss of earning capacity worse than any redundancy.

    All those 88 year old primary earners...


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  • #6282
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    But people die from the flu as a result of us not restricting our movements and interactions.

    Do those deaths not mean anything?

    They mean more than your argument yes.


  • #6283
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Yes but there's zero posts on this thread suggesting any practical way how to do it. So at the end it comes to let it rip through..which is impossible cuz you would fcùk up healthcare. Simple.

    Of course there is no way to fully shield every single person in a demographic.

    But we could easily do a media campaign advising elderly to stay indoors when possible and remind them using stats that they are the ones at risk of getting very sick and potentially dying.

    We could have 2 hours a day were supermarkets only allow over 60s in.

    We could advise people to help their elderly family members with online shopping or going for them if possible.

    There are lots of solutions available. But we’d rather put half a million out of work.


  • #6284
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Jaysus this fella is actually making me miss Foxy Noxy!


  • #6285
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    But people die from the flu as a result of us not restricting our movements and interactions.

    Do those deaths not mean anything?

    No they didnt matter to nofools because there was no internet forum for him to spend his weekend on arguing with people.


  • #6286
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Don't Chute! wrote: »
    Jaysus this fella is actually making me miss Foxy Noxy!

    Lots of anger in their posts. I hope they realise stress and Covid are not a great combination.


  • #6287
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    All those 88 year old primary earners...


    Jaysus is this thread still playing the only dangerous/fatal for the elderly card?


  • #6288
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Don't Chute! wrote: »
    Jaysus this fella is actually making me miss Foxy Noxy!

    You should just setup a private group for your echo chamber club, easier for you and a lot easier for everyone else not having to read it.

    Would hate to upset you all with a bit of daylight


  • #6289
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Jaysus is this thread still playing the only dangerous/fatal for the elderly card?

    More than likely.

    Still i note they are safe at home, on boards and not out living life, riding, sky diving or partying.


  • #6290
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    But people die from the flu as a result of us not restricting our movements and interactions.

    Do those deaths not mean anything?

    This is a great point. Colds and flus spread every year and kill the elderly. Why no outrage in 2017 for example?


  • #6291
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Jaysus is this thread still playing the only dangerous/fatal for the elderly card?

    That is what the stats prove.


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  • #6292
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Jaysus is this thread still playing the only dangerous/fatal for the elderly card?

    Facts are uncomfortable....https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2


  • #6293
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That is what the stats prove.

    Interesting.

    When did HSE amend things so that those with existing conditions (cancer, transplant recipients, pregnancy etc) aren't affected?


  • #6294
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Lots of anger in their posts. I hope they realise stress and Covid are not a great combination.

    More amusement than anger.

    I am at peace that some people have a limited grasp of how the world around them works


  • #6295
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Facts are uncomfortable....https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2

    Odd those "facts" also list diabetes, heart conditions, obesity etc.

    So thanks for that seems just the usual case of not getting past a headline.


  • #6296
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Interesting.

    When did HSE amend things so that those with existing conditions (cancer, transplant recipients, pregnancy etc) aren't affected?

    Have a look at the stats. It clearly shows what demographic are likely to die.


  • #6297
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Of course there is no way to fully shield every single person in a demographic.

    But we could easily do a media campaign advising elderly to stay indoors when possible and remind them using stats that they are the ones at risk of getting very sick and potentially dying.

    We could have 2 hours a day were supermarkets only allow over 60s in.

    We could advise people to help their elderly family members with online shopping or going for them if possible.

    There are lots of solutions available. But we’d rather put half a million out of work.

    We are still at the point non of the government in Europe will overflow their healthcare voluntarily. All of your suggestions are already there and do they work, nope. Ireland's healthcare is fcuked as it is, even without pandemic, so you can imagine all the boys in power are shītting their pants. So there's response we have, prolonged restrictions without the end, unless we have vaccine or effective treatment.


  • #6298
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Odd those "facts" also list diabetes, heart conditions, obesity etc.

    So thanks for that seems just the usual case of not getting past a headline.

    Hi P

    One of the main problems here is the words "in this country"...we have done a good job relatively, probably in an overly draconian way but now the low figures invite some serious conspiracy theory type thinking from those who just don't get the bigger picture and are easily swayed by simple stories and have already fallen down one path and refuse to budge as things change.

    It is arrogant to think we can't be hit as bad as elsewhere in Europe and complacency is the enemy.


  • #6299
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    But people die from the flu as a result of us not restricting our movements and interactions.

    Do those deaths not mean anything?

    No to worry i’m sure the noble one “nofools” will be back on boards post -covid proposing we should implement restrictions every future flu season.


  • #6300
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    No to worry i’m sure the noble one “nofools” will be back on boards post -covid proposing we should implement restrictions every future flu season.

    Stop talking rubbish and jumping to conclusions. Like you did about my financial situation. Badly hit by covid. Nobody likes restrictions. There is a vaccine for flu and certainty around it.

    No convincing arguments so you get personal or make these stupid strawmen.


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  • #6301
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Odd those "facts" also list diabetes, heart conditions, obesity etc.

    So thanks for that seems just the usual case of not getting past a headline.

    I did read past the headline, I also remember you getting upset when I stated on another thread that obseity worsens the potential outcome from Covid.
    It's a fact Covid affects the elderly more so than those under 60. I can post you multiple links to demonstrate this I could even post a link from the early days of Nphet stating who the virus was most dangerous for. Somehow I think you already know most of these facts just unwilling to accept them.


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