Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Stheno wrote: »

So if level 5 has not kicked in and level 3 nationwide was not working how come cases have almost halved the past couple of weeks??

A tactit admission that restrictions do in fact work and look at the usual suspects who thanked it.

This is better comedy that the election theatrics. Keep up the sterling work.

Stheno wrote: »

I think you missed the point just a little

Did I? Not following you so

Stheno wrote: »

So if level 5 has not kicked in and level 3 nationwide was not working how come cases have almost halved the past couple of weeks??

Hello, to be clear, Level 3+ with some counties at that level of restriction for longer than two weeks, was no curtailing the rise. The data is crystal clear on this point.

Level 3 with additional restrictions has a certain limiting effect on the virus, does flatten its growth, and depending the level of behavious modification, can exert a small amount of downward pressure on it. Most notably, it is now verified that it maintains a given level of virus cases.

However, I urge people to keep in mind that the triggers for modifications of restrictions are very strongly influenced by the integral, and the derivative of the daily case curve people may be familiar with. These translate to the rate of increase at a point in time, and the cumulative case load in hand at a point in time. Both are critical to evaluating the present and future projections of hospital capacity. It is an great oversimplification to draw conclusions base solely on the daily case reporting number and trend.

Level 5 was necessary to drastically increase the rate of decent. And its results are now evident.

Once cases and transmission are reduced to isolated cases, it will then be possible to relax restriction to a Level 3 type structure for the longer term.

Levels 1 and 2 are in effect beyond us until we have a reliable vaccine rollout programme, timescale, and qualification, and thus not relevant in the medium term considerations.

Additionally, specific, punctual allowances will be made, to permit some further feast day relaxations of restrictions.

(I shall be off for the weekend, but available to answer any queries again from Monday morning).

mandrake04 wrote: »

While that may be true it’s not just as simple as that.





Australia has several internal land borders, each state is independent with its own independent government and laws similar with the territories.

Almost all states closed off their borders to each other, if you travel across state lines you were quarantined unless you had permit. This provides a quality of normal life that most of the country have been enjoying since June.

The exception was Metro Melbourne who being the most European type city in Australia decided to take it literally and were punished for it.

To clarify the consequences of adopting such a strategy is expensive in terms of jobs and aviation. That's a real problem.

What I believe and call me crazy the cost of compensating those people is far less than multiple lockdowns and everybody not being able to have a normal life.

Kids should be allowed to play together.
Young adults should be allowed to date.
families should be allowed to meet.

Otherwise WTF do we stand for as a society.

wakka12 wrote: »

Highest cases and deaths ever reported during the pandemic and public concern in general hasn't been lower really has it, not talking about Ireland but world in general seems that way. Not that I'm not feeling that way myself last few weeks but you can see exactly why the second wave of pandemics is always worse, the fatigue set in is all too real

We know the mistake, we have studied the mistake and still we make it.

speckle wrote: »

You do understand that many people who are high risk already live with risk every day of their life. And many of those who are our elders know that their time to die is coming very soon once they are 80 and sometimes prefer quality time with their younger family members not quanity.
How about the German government stats saying up 89% of over 80s will survive covid and aprox 11% die. Is it not their right to choose, which they prefer not yours or mine or the governments or NEPHET.
We see the stats here everyday from the hospitals we are not blind... What are the Hse doing to increase ICU beds and staff during this second chance they have got from the Irish public? Why still have rotating staff in nursing/care homes and in personal home care

Stop pretending you are offering them a choice.

speckle wrote: »

Very flippant post. reply..with education on both pros and cons .. people should be allowed a choice.. just like I facilitate all my high risk family members and neighbours and friends with their choices all life long. Do you not believe in this freedom ?

I do believe in that freedom yes, but that is only half the picture as you well know hence my flippancy.

How about the ones afraid for their health, in the house all the time and not choosing to risk it?

Their freedom?

....Continues to come at the cost of our leisure if we go against what we know works (but is hard).

I read the science too and both sides of it but for god sake the daily figures globally tell anyone with any common sense and not steeped in bias all that needs to be known.