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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #1172
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The evidence on close contacts appears to indicate that many are. Id expect retail to open . Pubs I think seems unlikely and recipe for disaster unless cases are very low below 50 daily

    Yes, I can't see them opening pubs until there is a vaccine.


  • #1173
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    polesheep wrote: »
    You need to get out of your bubble. I live in Dublin and I see life as nearly normal, bar businesses being closed. And people are finding ways around that.

    I live in Dublin too and see people being very careful . Everyone I know has reduced their contacts dramatically , staying two meters in queues etc


  • #1174
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Arghus wrote: »
    If numbers continue to fall it will become relentless. Expect to see spokespeople on for restraunters, publicans, hairdressers, business owners etc, etc on every current affairs show on TV, radio and across the Internet saying that their particular sector should be opened up quicker. There already was one on prime time last night and then another on TV3 straight afterwards. It's quite bogus really, because the public are behind the measures but the constant lobbying in the media can help shape the narrative and then can force the government to act.

    The government needs to stick to its guns for the 6 weeks.

    You started with one point of view and ended with another. The people in the first part of your post are also members of the public, as are their workforce.


  • #1175
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I live in Dublin too and see people being very careful . Everyone I know has reduced their contacts dramatically , staying two meters in queues etc

    I think some people are seeing things from their own perspective. If you are being careful then you won't see the people who are being less careful.


  • #1176
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    polesheep wrote: »
    You need to get out of your bubble. I live in Dublin and I see life as nearly normal, bar businesses being closed. And people are finding ways around that.

    Bully for you. You say you don't see compliance while I do see compliance. I'm not sure why you think your experience trumps anybody else's. Perhaps your area of Dublin has an issue but, believe it or not, there are more places in Ireland.


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  • #1177
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Hi, good evening, howdy,

    Care to throw up some of the modelling there for the Heck of it?

    :rolleyes:

    Hello. I dont think that would be helpful at this stage, but people should accept the conclusions and projections of the expert analysis which indicates there will be a semblance of a normal Christmas in the aspects most prized by much of the population. The Taoiseach, the Minister for Health, the Chief Medical Officer, and Professor Nolan, chair of the IEMAG, have all signalled this clearly this week, and while people might desire further detail, I am sure they will nevertheless understand it is too early to finalise these protocols.


  • #1178
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Bully for you. You say you don't see compliance while I do see compliance. I'm not sure why you think your experience trumps anybody else's. Perhaps your area of Dublin has an issue but, believe it or not, there are more places in Ireland.

    Ah, you're taking me wrong Jim. We all see it from our own perspective. But if you are following the restrictions you won't meet people who aren't.


  • #1179
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,668 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Probably the "models" will turn out to be a load of balls, just like the UK ones


  • #1180
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    From this evening apparently

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GsFp53Kxo

    All pretty spaced out to me.


  • #1181
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. I dont think that would be helpful at this stage, but people should accept the conclusions and projections of the expert analysis which indicates there will be a semblance of a normal Christmas in the aspects most prized by much of the population. The Taoiseach, the Minister for Health, the Chief Medical Officer, and Professor Nolan, chair of the IEMAG, have all signalled this clearly this week, and while people might desire further detail, I am sure they will nevertheless understand it is too early to finalise these protocols.

    In other words.........I haven't a clue.


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  • #1182
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    polesheep wrote: »
    You started with one point of view and ended with another. The people in the first part of your post are also members of the public, as are their workforce.

    No, I did not.

    Understand that there is a distinction between the public at large and people who own businesses closed by restrictions. You appear to think there's no distinction between the two groups.


  • #1183
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    AdamD wrote: »
    All pretty spaced out to me.

    That's what drugs will do to you.


  • #1184
    Solli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Solli


    Nasal spray protection against covid, currently showing promise on... ferrets.
    Good article.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/health/coronavirus-ferrets-vaccine-spray.html?searchResultPosition=1


  • #1185
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Solli wrote: »
    Nasal spray protection against covid, currently showing promise on... ferrets.

    Could test it on minks while there's still some around.


  • #1186
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1324812711889379331


  • #1187
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,590 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    CoronaBlocker wrote:
    Thought for the day: Plenty of people on here maintained that Level 3-Plus was working, and if given a bit more time, would have done the job. However, had it done so, they would have had to reward us by giving us back Level 2, right? But by dumping Level 5 on us when they did, have they not just ensured - when the numbers have dropped satisfactorily - that they now only have to give us Level 3 instead? As the mysterious MelbourneMan here says will happen - and with a chilling level of certainty - all the way through until next summer at least.
    Level 3+ was not working. All it did was slow down the growth. We needed to stop the growth.
    Level 5 may be doing that but we won't know for another ten days until we see if schools have an adverse affect.


  • #1188
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Level 3+ was not working. All it did was slow down the growth. We needed to stop the growth.
    Level 5 may be doing that but we won't know for another ten days until we see if schools have an adverse affect.

    So if level 5 has not kicked in and level 3 nationwide was not working how come cases have almost halved the past couple of weeks??


  • #1189
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stheno wrote: »
    So if level 5 has not kicked in and level 3 nationwide was not working how come cases have almost halved the past couple of weeks??

    Schools closed for mid-term has to be the reason. (Sarcasm)


  • #1190
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1324812711889379331

    I like to believe him about the fewer restrictions part but I won't hold my breath


  • #1191
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Level 3+ was not working. All it did was slow down the growth. We needed to stop the growth.
    Level 5 may be doing that but we won't know for another ten days until we see if schools have an adverse affect.

    Last week you were saying that cases were dropping because schools were closed,now you are saying we have to wait another 10 days to see if schools have an adverse effect on numbers. There doesn't seem to be much logic to your theories!!


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  • #1192
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Level 3+ was not working. All it did was slow down the growth. We needed to stop the growth.
    Level 5 may be doing that but we won't know for another ten days until we see if schools have an adverse affect.

    But sure a car doesn't go from 60 to zero instantly. It has to go down through 59 and 58 and 57 and so on... Is slowing growth not the beginning of the stopping it? If we still need another ten days for Level 5 then is it not fair to say that the reduction in numbers until now is due to the model that went immediately before it?


  • #1193
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    polesheep wrote: »
    I think some people are seeing things from their own perspective. If you are being careful then you won't see the people who are being less careful.

    Eh , I am not blind . Of course I would see people not being careful ?


  • #1194
    JasonStatham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 548 ✭✭✭JasonStatham


    I think we'll be at it again. Not looking forward to it at all.


  • #1195
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Define lockdown.


  • #1196
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #1197
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    polesheep wrote: »
    I think some people are seeing things from their own perspective. If you are being careful then you won't see the people who are being less careful.

    Sorry PS but that's absurd. I can see what's going on around me. I'm not living in the hot press wrapped in cling film. I am part of a thing called a community in a society and I am aware of it's actions, wiles, and machinations.


  • #1198
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    HSE update.

    In hospital 279 (4 less than last night)
    In ICU 37

    Sadly 1 death in ICU last 24 hours.


  • #1199
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Sorry PS but that's absurd. I can see what's going on around me. I'm not living in the hot press wrapped in cling film. I am part of a thing called a community in a society and I am aware of it's actions, wiles, and machinations.

    Obviously then there is variation. I see people mingling freely, I'm doing so myself. I see people living life as normally as they can. But at the same time I don't dispute what you see, which leads me to believe that the public is split. And that goes back to my point that this is nothing like the first lockdown in terms of compliance. And yet the numbers are dropping. We don't seem to know the half of how this virus operates.


  • #1200
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    blowitupref wrote: »
    HSE update.

    In hospital 279 (4 less than last night)
    In ICU 37

    Sadly 1 death in ICU last 24 hours.

    I would think that the drop in hospital numbers being so close after the drop in numbers is an indication that we were slow to pick up on the extra numbers in the first place, but are catching a higher percentage now, unfortunately I have heard of a number of nursing home outbreaks today, no doubt extra deaths to follow, it seems very difficult to keep it out of the nursing homes despite the best efforts.


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  • #1201
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I would think that the drop in hospital numbers being so close after the drop in numbers is an indication that we were slow to pick up on the extra numbers in the first place, but are catching a higher percentage now, unfortunately I have heard of a number of nursing home outbreaks today, no doubt extra deaths to follow, it seems very difficult to keep it out of the nursing homes despite the best efforts.

    Back in April I was angry about the nursing homes, but I think it's simply that many of the most vulnerable are located there rather than the location itself. It's not where you are but who you are.


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