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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #4652
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Probably not - Why bother?

    Certainly wouldn't expect him to do it "just because".

    If the Democrat election monitors saw something to concern them then perhaps , but otherwise no.

    Why bother? Jeez! Imagine if you were one of the 1st time Black voters in an Atlanta poverty-stricken neighbourhood, and the guy you voted for didn't even bother to have your vote recognised if there was even a slim chance of overturning an initial result? Imagine if Biden didn't fight for EVERY single Electoral College vote and let Trump have GA's 16 EC votes, thereby narrowing the gap by 32, AND a few challenges or 'faithless electors' emerged elsewhere?? Count them all, and IF the result is close enough to warrant a re-count, count them again, entirely within the rules..

    And the same would apply to the Trump campaign if Biden wins by a re-count margin.


  • #4653
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,795 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    No that's the other fella. I'm talking about Joe.


    I said Joe was in the early stages of senility and was banned. The post right above it had a tirade of abuse toward Trump (as does every 2nd post on the Forum) and those posters ain't touched.

    But my overall point is why should either of these two be protected from insult on an Irish msg board? I mean, what's the point?

    And rightfully so, what a vile thing to say about someone, especially when there's absolutely no evidence to back that up whatsoever.
    And let's call a spade a spade, you're butthurt over the election, you want to whinge and moan and take away from Biden's victory, but this isn't your safe space where you can spout crap like that without repercussions.


  • #4654
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Why bother? Jeez! Imagine if you were one of the 1st time Black voters in an Atlanta poverty-stricken neighbourhood, and the guy you voted for didn't even bother to have your vote recognised if there was even a slim chance of overturning an initial result? Imagine if Biden didn't fight for EVERY single Electoral College vote and let Trump have GA's 16 EC votes, thereby narrowing the gap by 32, AND a few challenges or 'faithless electors' emerged elsewhere?? Count them all, and IF the result is close enough to warrant a re-count, count them again, entirely within the rules..

    And the same would apply to the Trump campaign if Biden wins by a re-count margin.

    I hear what you are saying , I just think that they'd need to have a degree of justification relative the the scatter-gun approach from Trump - Perhaps saying "It's less than 500 votes , we should double-check" is enough though


  • #4655
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Looking at that Github site, Trump has been on the brink of the threshold required to flip Arizona in the most recent vote bundles, but with 227,000 votes remaining, some of those outstanding could yet slow him down:

    https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html


  • #4656
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,611 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    CNN Tagline is "Sources: Frenzy in WH as realization Trump could lose sets in"

    Would love to be a fly on the wall in there.

    Am really hoping this election is called soon, it's seriously dragging on at this stage and another night of uncertainty into a weekend will be frustrating.


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  • #4657
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭paul71


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Looking at that Github site, Trump has been on the brink of the threshold required to flip Arizona in the most recent vote bundles, but with 227,000 votes remaining, some of those outstanding could yet slow him down:

    https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

    Thank you!!!! I have been keeping a spreadsheet similar to that to track the blocks for the last couple of days, now I can just leave it....:)


    Edit

    Except I was breaking it down to county level.


  • #4658
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,282 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    No problem with a recount or a judge looking into real problems, but saying the whole thing is corrupt is very dangerous and outrageous.


  • #4659
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,611 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    US Election: CNN’s John King wins Irish viewers’ votes

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/us-election-cnn-s-john-king-wins-irish-viewers-votes-1.4402639

    John King has been a revelation in analysis, a joy to watch.


  • #4660
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    salmocab wrote: »
    Or alternatively the people of America decided to elect someone else.

    sounds much more plausible to me.


  • #4661
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,643 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dismissing the result and alleging illegal activity without a source is trolling. Post deleted.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #4662
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I hear what you are saying , I just think that they'd need to have a degree of justification relative the the scatter-gun approach from Trump - Perhaps saying "It's less than 500 votes , we should double-check" is enough though

    Georgia law says if the gap is less than 0.5% of total votes cast, then a re-count is permissible. Assuming a 5 million vote total, that puts a gap of less than 25,000 into re-count territory.


  • #4663
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    salmocab wrote: »
    There has been ongoing warnings on that thread with regard to people making that unfounded claim.

    But why?

    (All the other insults labelled against Trump - crazy, lunatic, insane etc - notwithstanding)
    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    I don't understand, do you mean why would one not want to come with their facts and figures straight? Well primarily because one might end up like so many others have; coming in, spouting off a bunch of half truths, empty cliches and plain falsehoods, ended up thoroughly roasted by a forum membership not willing to broach any nonsense, and then proclaiming oppression and suppression when they end up leaving or banned.

    I call this process the Brexiteer progression.

    But that's just your opinion. I think the President was a better candidate than Biden. You seem to be saying that alone is grounds for banning?

    I don't understand the Brexiteer reference.


  • #4664
    Jo jo the eskimo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Jo jo the eskimo


    More or less the same count has been on all the screens for 2 or 3 days saying the same story over and over again.

    Could fox news not roll someone out, someone sympathetic to their cause. To tell em it ain't all that bad.
    They can do the rallies, so no need to throw away the hats and all the gear.
    If they have the rallies they still have the "lock um up" chants
    There's also the youtube videos with trump as a superhero, no real reason to stop them, they look like there great fun

    They can still even do the whole winding up the libs thing they love that.
    All is far from lost


  • #4665
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Looking at that Github site, Trump has been on the brink of the threshold required to flip Arizona in the most recent vote bundles, but with 227,000 votes remaining, some of those outstanding could yet slow him down:

    https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

    That's a great resource thanks. Just gonna hit F5 on that for the rest of the night.


  • #4666
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    That's a great resource thanks. Just gonna hit F5 on that for the rest of the night.

    Yeah, that's very interesting. Thanks. However, it assumes State-wide spread of each block, whereas individual counties actually vary quite dramatically.


  • #4667
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭paul71


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_in_Florida#/media/File:Butterfly_Ballot,_Florida_2000_(large).jpg


    The only time there has ever been any issue with count errors that I know of was because of the design of this ballot paper in Florida in 2000. 2 sided with perforation marks in the middle.

    Most of the time they only find 100 or 200 in polls of 5 or 6 million people.

    First past the post simply does not lend itself to errors unless you have a badly designed ballot paper like the above.


  • #4668
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.


  • #4669
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,282 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The amount of crap with many of these court cases going on behind the scenes. The lady form AZ in charge of the count was saying how GOP using a court case to slow down the counting.


  • #4670
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭paul71


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.

    Link please


  • #4671
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,611 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.

    Yeah. Sourced by the far-right Project Veritas. Want to buy some beans?


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  • #4672
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.

    Source?


  • #4673
    westdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭westdublin


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.

    Who will be releasing his interview, can you post a link to the story ?


  • #4674
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    But why?

    (All the other insults labelled against Trump - crazy, lunatic, insane etc - notwithstanding)



    But that's just your opinion. I think the President was a better candidate than Biden. You seem to be saying that alone is grounds for banning?

    I don't understand the Brexiteer reference.

    Lets kinda forget about the other things and other forums and what can be said and not. You said you wanted someone to discuss trump, the floor is your.

    Your a trump supporter, you think he was a better candidate and I assume your disappointed he's beat.

    What was it you liked about him and what was it that made him a better candidate than Biden? I don't think its hard to answer and discuss this without resorting to insulting either of them or going into wild conspiracy theory land is it?

    What did you like about trump and his presidency?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #4675
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Exclamation Marc wrote: »
    Yeah. Sourced by the far-right Project Veritas. Want to buy some beans?

    Ok so its more of a sauce than a source, do the magic beans take me to the Giant's castle?


  • #4676
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,611 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    paul71 wrote: »
    Link please

    Project Veritas are claiming to have sourced the insider. So, ya know....

    No.


  • #4677
    Big Pussy Bonpensiero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,795 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    The vote differential in PA is now 14,733. Am I right in saying that CNN are calling this when it reaches 15,000?


  • #4678
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭paul71


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.

    The source for that is James O'Keefe.

    He is a convicted criminal.

    He is a proven Liar.

    He has lost numerous lawsuits for publishing lies.

    He backed the author of the book that said the Sandy hook school shootings were a hoax.

    He receives money from the Trump campaign.


  • #4679
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Lets kinda forget about the other things and other forums and what can be said and not. You said you wanted someone to discuss trump, the floor is your. Your a trump supporter, you think he was a better candidate and I assume your disappointed he's beat. What was it you liked about him and what was it that made him a better candidate than Biden? I don't think its hard to answer and discuss this without resorting to insulting either of them or going into wild conspiracy theory land is it?

    What did you like about trump and his presidency?

    There have been several grotesque and perverse attempts to oust Trump. From a counterfeit Russian hoax to spurious impeachment efforts over routine phone calls. Deep state figures have been outspoken and ferocious in their denunciation of Trump - John Brennan being a case in point. Trump's "American First" philosophy contradicts globalism in a fundamental way . And these are regime change experts. The idea that they'd suddenly conduct an appropriate election is incredulous.


  • #4680
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,601 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    One of the USPS officials in Pennsylvania has just agreed to go on the record and is willing to testify under oath to the backdating of ballots.

    They will be releasing his interview imminently.

    Utter BS like this is why you’ve been called on things

    It’s not that “you suppor trump”

    It’s that you’re pushing conspiracy theories and pushing lies to futher your agenda


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  • #4681
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Lets kinda forget about the other things and other forums and what can be said and not. You said you wanted someone to discuss trump, the floor is your.

    Your a trump supporter, you think he was a better candidate and I assume your disappointed he's beat.

    What was it you liked about him and what was it that made him a better candidate than Biden? I don't think its hard to answer and discuss this without resorting to insulting either of them or going into wild conspiracy theory land is it?

    What did you like about trump and his presidency?

    Please don't, I see there is a Trump appreciation thread where he could wax lyrical about how good he is


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