Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

iamwhoiam · 06-11-2020 03:03PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Germans, but we'd need their health system as well!

They have an amazing health system but you pay for it .It is taken pro rata from your salary and its quite a percentage ( circa 15%) of your gross income .It is a very fair system and the more your earn the more you pay . But people pay it at least knowing that you then get the wonderful care and amazing health system

polesheep · 06-11-2020 03:07PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

How do you know? . Did you get tested before and after?

First of all, I travelled to a Green list country and according to the government there was no more risk of catching Covid there than in Ireland. Secondly, as it happens, I had a test within a very short time of returning in order to undergo a hospital procedure. And thirdly, my wife who is a nurse, was tested twice during the few weeks after our return. I also filled in the passenger locator form and if any person on my flight had subsequently tested positive I would have been notified and had a test. So I can state, with more authority than most, that I did not give anyone Covid. As I said, it was a fantastic holiday and it did us both the power of good to get away from the depressive atmosphere in Ireland.

SeaBreezes · 06-11-2020 03:07PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Just heard from my brother that my niece has tested positive for covid, she is a healthcare worker in Glasgow, Scotland, she is young and healthy so should pull through. Her symptoms were fatigue, tiredness and loss of sense of smell. My other sister in Dundee also said my other niece who is a doctor is isolating after being confirmed as a close contact although she hasn't received a positive diagnosis as yet.

Might be no harm if she took a tiny piece of aspirin until clear? She likely knows this already.

Paddygreen · 06-11-2020 03:23PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was in Italy myself brought back some nice vintage reds and a few t-shirts.

Grossly irresponsible. Did you care not for the mortal destiny of your fellow comrades while playing Russian roulette on the grand tour down in Italy? Eternal shame on you and your progeny will be your dark reward.. Was it nice wine you got? Any left? If it helps you repent for what you did I can pick it up (while being socially distant) and raffle it off for charity.

snotboogie · 06-11-2020 03:30PM

Haven't seen any reports that yesterday and the dat before were the two worst days on record for covid deaths. Global 7 day average for deaths is now well above what it was in April.

06-11-2020 03:35PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was in Italy myself brought back some nice vintage reds and a few t-shirts.

I was paying €8 for a good bottle in Tuscany a few years ago. I saw the same bottle in Dublin airport for €32 the day I came home, bastards.

seamus · 06-11-2020 04:01PM

11,810 swabs, 502 positive. 4.25%. 7-day now 4.3%

MerlinSouthDub · 06-11-2020 04:08PM

seamus wrote: »

11,810 swabs, 502 positive. 4.25%. 7-day now 4.3%

Feels like the rate of decline is slowing (if that makes senses).

Plumbthedepths · 06-11-2020 04:10PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Grossly irresponsible. Did you care not for the mortal destiny of your fellow comrades while playing Russian roulette on the grand tour down in Italy? Eternal shame on you and your progeny will be your dark reward.. Was it nice wine you got? Any left? If it helps you repent for what you did I can pick it up (while being socially distant) and raffle it off for charity.

Few nice reds from Bardolino, small vineyard great depth of flavour too nice to share sorry.

seamus · 06-11-2020 04:12PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Feels like the rate of decline is slowing (if that makes senses).

The number of swabs are also dropping, which makes it hard to track. Less swabs == higher % rate. I would expect that during the heights of our most recent numbers there were huge levels of mass testing taking place, which would drive down the positivity rate.

I did a very unscientific equalising of the swab numbers to see, and I'd still be happy enough that we still have a reasonably steady rate of decline.

I am suprised it's not a bigger drop though. Monday might tell a different story.

bb1234567 · 06-11-2020 04:13PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Feels like the rate of decline is slowing (if that makes senses).

I think with schools open and many more workers considered essential along with colder weather keeping people indoors there will be a higher baseline we need to accept than the low rates we saw over the summer

MerlinSouthDub · 06-11-2020 04:17PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I think with schools open and many more workers considered essential along with colder weather keeping people indoors there will be a higher baseline we need to accept than the low rates we saw over the summer

The schools were closed last week. I was reliably informed by learned posters on this thread that this would result in a big fall in infection rates this week, and then a rise next week. Nonsense, of course.

Polar101 · 06-11-2020 04:18PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Haven't seen any reports that yesterday and the dat before were the two worst days on record for covid deaths. Global 7 day average for deaths is now well above what it was in April.

I stopped going to Worldometers once the daily global cases started to go over 300,000, it's pretty depressing to follow.

prunudo · 06-11-2020 04:18PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Feels like the rate of decline is slowing (if that makes senses).

Given the schools are open and the amount of people still allowed work we are probably getting to the point where it becomes more difficult to get numbers down in the same way we did in the spring.

Russman · 06-11-2020 04:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

So far our strategy seems to be just a holding pattern till a vaccines arrives.

That's exactly our strategy. Restrictions will go up and down until that eventuality, probably hopping between L2/3 and L5 as cases dictate. There's realistically no other options.

frank8211 · 06-11-2020 04:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Danish health minister has said of 783 cases in the northern region half are mink related, doesn't mean they are all this particular strain, but it's certainly more than 12.

We have three companies breeding the things in large numbers here. So only a matter of time unless we do what theyre doing in denmark

MerlinSouthDub · 06-11-2020 04:30PM

prunudo wrote: »

Given the schools are open and the amount of people still allowed work we are probably getting to the point where it becomes more difficult to get numbers down in the same way we did in the spring.

Interesting theory, albeit no data to support it. Why would rates have fallen faster last week (infections likely occurred when the schools were open) than this week (infections likely occurred when schools were closed). Let's see how the next few days ago.

is_that_so · 06-11-2020 04:33PM

Russman wrote: »

That's exactly our strategy. Restrictions will go up and down until that eventuality, probably hopping between L2/3 and L5 as cases dictate. There's realistically no other options.

It's really not much of one, especially one that does not have any metrics that have clear end points. Another Level 5 will be a complete failure of the strategy. There need to be more tools to manage this and there is little sign of any effort to do that. Bear in mind too that a vaccine is still likely to leave restrictions in place for a lot of next year. They need to honestly acknowledge that and stop claiming that it is a silver bullet and we'll suddenly come out the other end.

ednwireland · 06-11-2020 04:34PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Few nice reds from Bardolino, small vineyard great depth of flavour too nice to share sorry.

dont forget to serve it slightly chilled 14 degrees lovely

redmgar · 06-11-2020 05:11PM

Judging by the decline in numbers posting on this thread the novelty of this pandemic is gone.

ACitizenErased · 06-11-2020 05:14PM

redmgar wrote: »

Judging by the decline in numbers posting on this thread the novelty of this pandemic is gone.

Some of the more controversial and argumentative posters are also threadbanned so things are waaaay more civil

is_that_so · 06-11-2020 05:15PM

redmgar wrote: »

Judging by the decline in numbers posting on this thread the novelty of this pandemic is gone.

TBH it's been much the same for a fair while as you'd expect, swabs, numbers and some tracking graphs. There's not a whole lot new to say until we get a progress review and indications of what will happen on Dec 1.

Jim_Hodge · 06-11-2020 05:17PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

It's likely not for airborne infection, but to protect against allergic reactions to urine and fur. Pretty much standard wear in rodent breeding and research facilities.

redmgar wrote: »

Judging by the decline in numbers posting on this thread the novelty of this pandemic is gone.

Our Boards epidemiologists and virologists are also, it appears, experts on the US presidential race so are over on that thread telling everybody else how wrong their opinions are.

GT89 · 06-11-2020 05:18PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Are you one of our experts? Where is your PhD? Where is your title? All our experts, leaders, and aristocracy wants to do is keep us safe from the dangerous virus , because they really really care about us. Over on the mainland this is what His Royal Highness Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales, KG, KT, GCB, OM, AK, QSO, CC, PC, ADC, Earl of Chester, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland has to say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BucTwPegW5k

I presume your being sarcastic

prunudo · 06-11-2020 05:21PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Interesting theory, albeit no data to support it. Why would rates have fallen faster last week (infections likely occurred when the schools were open) than this week (infections likely occurred when schools were closed). Let's see how the next few days ago.

No data, just a wild thought flying around my head. Last week was probably from the initial impacts from going from the madness of the gaa celebrations and how they inflated the numbers and then getting control of that situation and moving to level 3.
I just think that there are so many people moving around and mixing now that it could be more difficult. Hopefully I'm wrong, suppose we'll see in a week or two.

wadacrack · 06-11-2020 05:22PM

The decline in NI seems to be stalling. I think we will follow a similar pattern. Maybe get to 300 a day as we acted more quickly but could be difficult to hit low 100's

https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1324713425449213952

Russman · 06-11-2020 05:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not much of one, especially one that does not have any metrics that have clear end points. Another Level 5 will be a complete failure of the strategy. There need to be more tools to manage this and there is little sign of any effort to do that. Bear in mind too that a vaccine is still likely to leave restrictions in place for a lot of next year. They need to honestly acknowledge that and stop claiming that it is a silver bullet and we'll suddenly come out the other end.

But there really isn't another one. I totally get how much of a pain the whole thing is, but we're never going down the herd immunity/let it rip route, NPHET have said that protecting "the vulnerable", or any cohort of society, just isn't possible, and culturally we'd never accept the kind of tracing/tracking some of the Asian countries have gone with nor could we enforce anything. The open border with the UK means going for zero covid a la New Zealand isn't really an option. Our lack of ICU beds unfortunately means our threshold for diving into L5 is arguably lower than it might be (although looking at Europe now, we probably did the right thing), so we're kind of stuck with what we have and in fairness we're doing pretty ok, all things considered.

As long as this virus is out there, its going to be trying to grow and we're all just buying time until the world finds a way of dealing with it.

is_that_so · 06-11-2020 05:33PM

Russman wrote: »

But there really isn't another one. I totally get how much of a pain the whole thing is, but we're never going down the herd immunity/let it rip route, NPHET have said that protecting "the vulnerable", or any cohort of society, just isn't possible, and culturally we'd never accept the kind of tracing/tracking some of the Asian countries have gone with. The open border with the UK means going for zero covid a la New Zealand isn't really an option. Our lack of ICU beds unfortunately means our threshold for diving into L5 is arguably lower than it might be (although looking at Europe now, we probably did the right thing), so we're kind of stuck with what we have and in fairness we're doing pretty ok, all things considered.

As long as this virus is out there, its going to be trying to grow and we're all just buying time until the world finds a way of dealing with it.

I'm not against a strategy but not the one we had in March, which is really what this is. I'm also bothered by the lack of willingness to offer metrics, for example we believe that 6 weeks at Level 5 will reduce to 100 cases a day, which we can live with. If they can state the required period, level and produce the projections (even wrong ones) to justify that then it should not be beyond them to put metrics on the exit. That way we too know where we're going rather than waiting to see if NPHET will let us out to play. I think, at this stage, Dec 1 is at best 50/50.

Polar101 · 06-11-2020 05:46PM

wadacrack wrote: »

The decline in NI seems to be stalling. I think we will follow a similar pattern. Maybe get to 300 a day as we acted more quickly but could be difficult to hit low 100's

They might have had a lot more daily cases in the North, because the positivity rate is so high. So it could take longer for numbers to drop.

If the R rate is 0.7-0.9 here, it won't be a very quick decline either. But I think the numbers in the Republic are more reliable, as we seem to be catching a bigger percentage of the cases.

CoronaBlocker · 06-11-2020 05:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was paying €8 for a good bottle in Tuscany a few years ago. I saw the same bottle in Dublin airport for €32 the day I came home, bastards.

I bought a bottle of Jameson in Venezuela for about €3 once.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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