Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

Necro · 06-11-2020 07:54AM

PalLimerick wrote:

Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

Based on what? Magical fairies and pixie dust? Because Trump says so?

Where's the evidence for starters. Trump has railed against mail in votes since the beginning so when the votes are counted and are largely Democrat that is of his own doing.

He got a great vote out on the day but let's remember the vast, VAST majority of these (largely) Democrat votes have been sitting in voting centres for a few weeks at this stage, having been blocked from getting a headstart and counting them prior to election day. Why should they not be eligible, because Trump doesn't understand how vote counts work?

Trump is going to lose and no amount of him wailing about cheating is going to help him.

It's over, it's done. The sooner his supporters realise that and stop talking about conspiracy theories the sooner everyone can move on.

eviltimeban · 06-11-2020 07:54AM

Georgia now 665 votes in the difference.

Pherekydes · 06-11-2020 07:54AM

fits wrote: »

Biden expected to overtake Trump in PA in 2-3 hours time

Margin in Georgia is now +1267 for Trump.

Down to 665 now!

Mehapoy · 06-11-2020 07:57AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Down to 665 now!

Biden won't even need PA, the Trump supporters are not going to know where to disrupt voting in! Presume they'll suddenly want 'recounts now's in every state

bennyineire · 06-11-2020 08:03AM

Will Georgia and Penn keep counting throughout the night

is_that_so · 06-11-2020 08:05AM

bennyineire wrote: »

Will Georgia and Penn keep counting throughout the night

Georgia seems to be and is now down to a gap of 600. Not 100% sure about PA.

Pherekydes · 06-11-2020 08:06AM

Trump sounds physically exhausted. He's on the verge of a physical collapse.

is_that_so · 06-11-2020 08:06AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Trump sounds physically exhausted. He's on the verge of a physical collapse.

He has already had a mental collapse.

drunkmonkey · 06-11-2020 08:07AM

fits wrote: »

What fraudulent votes?

7aubzxk43m2sni · 06-11-2020 08:09AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Stupid meme

There's a big difference. Election interference is a foreign influence manipulating voters in various ways, be it through advertising on social media, astroturfing, etc.

Rigging the election is an entirely different matter.

Pa ElGrande · 06-11-2020 08:10AM

This presidential election was entirely a referendum on Trump. It is irrelevant who he ran against, you know this because the Democrats failed to unseat incumbant Republicans in their senate and lost seats in their congress despite the billionaire class dumping $300 million in campaigns against them. Once the shouting is over Trump will go and the permanent goverment (aka the deep state) will be the winner. The US political system though will be gridlocked with neither side able to advance their agenda so a state of atrophy will be the result.

Trump may have lost the presidential election by slim margins, however, Trumpism is not going away and neither is the debt run up under his and previous administrations. Americans will have an empty suit as their president and a vice-president that only satisfies media virtue signalling (she was rejected during the DNC primaries). This election will leave a bitter aftertaste in both sides mouths. If the current outcome is not resolved lawfully, then one side is going to perceive the election was stolen from them and not trust future elections, it is clear that there is some level of fraud in the masil in votes but it is at the edges and it has always been there, most states are going to need to clean up their processes in advance of future elections otherise either side can dispute the results. The other side is not going to be happy either, because issues like healthcare are not going to be advanced by the current administration, they may be relieved Trump is gone, however the virus does not respect who runs the country. The media cannot blame the next black man killed by police on Trump and they can’t turn off the coronavirus panic. Does the virus suddenly go away because someone new is in the White House? The media will have a hard time putting Trump on the front page once he is gone, if they continue to do that then he casts a shadow over the incoming administration and they must take into account the significant number of the electorate that did not vote for Biden.

Some good things may come of this election cycle and that might be a dent in the identity politics narrative as the DNC and RNC comes to realise it alienates voters and cannot win future elections without appealing to enought of the other side. The noxious hate group ANTIFA have now outstayed their usefulness for the current election cycle and the state national guard have finally been called in on them in Oregon.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1324416507854561282

What does a Biden presidency mean for the Irish state? Same as Trumps Nothing the American state has it's own internal problems to deal with, Ireland and Brexit are not one of them, of more signifucance to American foreign policy is containing the Sino-Russian alliance.

Doctors room ghost · 06-11-2020 08:12AM

Can we expect votes counted in today?

Christy42 · 06-11-2020 08:12AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Georgia seems to be and is now down to a gap of 600. Not 100% sure about PA.

Under 20k for PA now. Unsure how many are left in both states to count. I think about 14k for Georgia (plus military and some overseas which could break largely either way)

listermint · 06-11-2020 08:12AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ah I see you don't understand the difference on voter manipulation and vote manipulation.

Well thats a running theme with your analysis.

Roger the cabin boy · 06-11-2020 08:15AM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

This presidential election was entirely a referendum on Trump. It is irrelevant who he ran against, you know this because the Democrats failed to unseat incumbant Republicans in their senate and lost seats in their congress despite the billionaire class dumping $300 million in campaigns against them. Once the shouting is over Trump will go and the permanent goverment (aka the deep state) will be the winner. The US political system though will be gridlocked with neither side able to advance their agenda so a state of atrophy will be the result.

Trump may have lost the presidential election by slim margins, however, Trumpism is not going away and neither is the debt run up under his and previous administrations. Americans will have an empty suit as their president and a vice-president that only satisfies media virtue signalling (she was rejected during the DNC primaries). This election will leave a bitter aftertaste in both sides mouths. If the current outcome is not resolved lawfully, then one side is going to perceive the election was stolen from them and not trust future elections, it is clear that there is some level of fraud in the masil in votes but it is at the edges and it has always been there, most states are going to need to clean up their processes in advance of future elections otherise either side can dispute the results. The other side is not going to be happy either, because issues like healthcare are not going to be advanced by the current administration, they may be relieved Trump is gone, however the virus does not respect who runs the country. The media cannot blame the next black man killed by police on Trump and they can’t turn off the coronavirus panic. Does the virus suddenly go away because someone new is in the White House? The media will have a hard time putting Trump on the front page once he is gone, if they continue to do that then he casts a shadow over the incoming administration and they must take into account the significant number of the electorate that did not vote for Biden.

Some good things may come of this election cycle and that might be a dent in the identity politics narrative as the DNC and RNC comes to realise it alienates voters and cannot win future elections without appealing to enought of the other side. The noxious hate group ANTIFA have now outstayed their usefulness for the current election cycle and the state national guard have finally been called in on them in Oregon.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1324416507854561282

What does a Biden presidency mean for the Irish state? Same as Trumps Nothing the American state has it's own internal problems to deal with, Ireland and Brexit are not one of them, of more signifucance to American foreign policy is containing the Sino-Russian alliance.

Great post.
Nice to read a balanced opinion for once.

I agree with it, esp. the bit about the deep state.

drunkmonkey · 06-11-2020 08:16AM

Kolton Salty Streamer wrote: »

There's a big difference. Election interference is a foreign influence manipulating voters in various ways, be it through advertising on social media, astroturfing, etc.

Aka Twitter, Facebook and most other media. Trump's brief is to protect Americans from threats both Foreign and Domestic.
They'll need to drag him out by the boots. He has a stronger case than the Democrats had about Russia. Trump has set the stage now this won't end quickly.

CharlesMartel · 06-11-2020 08:16AM

To secure his legacy for the ages, Donald Julius Caesar Trump needs to mobilise his legions and cross the Rubicon now! Any report on troop movements?

robinph · 06-11-2020 08:17AM

Less than a thousand votes difference for Georgia now. Trump is still awake and rage tweeting. Going to be any moment now that switches.

Won't be enough for 270... Unless he's watching Fox which still has Arizona for Biden.

drunkmonkey · 06-11-2020 08:25AM

robinph wrote: »

Less than a thousand votes difference for Georgia now. Trump is still awake and rage tweeting. Going to be any moment now that switches.

Won't be enough for 270... Unless he's watching Fox which still has Arizona for Biden.

Nothing in it 665 there now, I read somewhere last night that there's still 12,000 military votes to come in later as in the next few days, not sure if correct but they won't be able to call Georgia without them if it's this tight.

drunkmonkey · 06-11-2020 08:27AM

I wonder is he trying to get banned deliberately...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324613375213621248?s=20

Dressoutlet · 06-11-2020 08:27AM

CharlesMartel wrote: »

To secure his legacy for the ages, Donald Julius Caesar Trump needs to mobilise his legions and cross the Rubicon now! Any report on troop movements?

Troops are not allowed take illegal orders.

newhouse87 · 06-11-2020 08:27AM

Off the last few days, anyway shows that pollsters were wrong again so this indicates shy trump voters as i mentioned weeks back. Election shows a very divided country between rural and urban. If you had said to republicans ye could maintain senate and increase numbers in congress and have biden as president i think most soft republicans would have been very happy. The feared blue wave has not happened which is good for the stock market(so im happy) and Trump really is showing what a sore loser is he as we all expected, its laughable some of his extreme support want to keep counting in Arizona but not elsewhere. Trump still had a good election but hes behaving terribly with all these conspiracy theories. Democrats will not be overjoyed with there election either so no side can chest pump.

7aubzxk43m2sni · 06-11-2020 08:28AM

Is it fair to say Arizona looks safe-ish ?

Its mainly Maracopa County left, and its already leaning towards Biden?

sydthebeat · 06-11-2020 08:28AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nothing in it 665 there now, I read somewhere last night that there's still 12,000 military votes to come in later as in the next few days, not sure if correct but they won't be able to call Georgia without them if it's this tight.

I wonder how much trump calling their falling comrades "losers" will have affected their votes

06-11-2020 08:31AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Aka Twitter, Facebook and most other media. Trump's brief is to protect Americans from threats both Foreign and Domestic.
They'll need to drag him out by the boots. He has a stronger case than the Democrats had about Russia. Trump has set the stage now this won't end quickly.

No he doesn't... You realise Republicans are viewing him as insane at this point?

robinph · 06-11-2020 08:31AM

Kolton Salty Streamer wrote: »

Is it fair to say Arizona looks safe-ish ?

Its mainly Maracopa County left, and its already leaning towards Biden?

Not certain as the ratio for the mail in ballots is different for Arizona as they are apparently used to using mail in voting. The gap has been coming down significantly since yesterday.

Dressoutlet · 06-11-2020 08:31AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

I wonder how much trump calling their falling comrades "losers" will have effected their votes

Usually I'd expect military votes to lean Republican, but the things Trump has said about McCain makes me think they'll vote blue

VinLieger · 06-11-2020 08:31AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

I wonder how much trump calling their falling comrades "losers" will have affected their votes

Dont forget also doing nothing when he found out Putin had put bounties on their heads

sondagefaux · 06-11-2020 08:32AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Yes we did, perhaps you didn't though. There was massive pressure on them to vote against the democratically elected president, it was in the news for days

US presidential elections have two phases: the democratic vote and the Electoral College vote.

Clinton won the democratic vote in 2016.

She received 65,853,514 votes; Trump received 62,984,828 votes.

Trump is a two-for-two loser in the democratic vote phase of the presidential elections.

If it wasn't for the archaic and undemocratic electoral college system, Trump would never have become president.

His supporters should remember that when they try to lecture the rest of us about respecting his mandate.

riddles · 06-11-2020 08:33AM

“Meanwhile, CNN’s Anderson Cooper had perhaps the most bruising words of the night: “That is the most powerful person in the world and we see him like an obese turtle on his back, flailing in the hot sun, realizing his time is over.”

Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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