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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #3092
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    I get them all the time Smurge, contracts, envelopes, marked clearly as being so, I help draw them up even sometimes.
    And the fact that private and confidential is marked as such is not a claim of legal status and doesn't affect the statutory rights of the individual who shares or receives it.
    The legislation itself that governs whether the law is breached or not is the only legal aid as to whether the law has been breached, not correspondence marked private and confidential.

    Varadkar admitted, under questioning, that it was still a confidential document when he sent it


  • #3093
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Varadkar admitted, under questioning, that it was still a confidential document when he sent it

    OK I get that, but he didn't admit breaking the law.
    He had plenty of time to prepare his respnse and admitting wrong is not an admittance of breaking the law.


  • #3094
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Varadkar admitted, under questioning, that it was still a confidential document when he sent it

    Michael refusing to consult the AG on whether Varadkar broke the law. :D

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-dismisses-calls-for-ag-to-be-consulted-over-whether-varadkar-broke-law-1.4400051?mode=amp


  • #3095
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    smurgen wrote: »
    Michael refusing to consult the AG on whether Varadkar broke the law. :D

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-dismisses-calls-for-ag-to-be-consulted-over-whether-varadkar-broke-law-1.4400051?mode=amp

    They really are being shown up as clinging onto power no matter what. None of them have the country's best interests at heart. It's pathetic. And people still support and back them.


  • #3096
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    They really are being shown up as clinging onto power no matter what. None of them have the country's best interests at heart. It's pathetic. And people still support and back them.

    I'm not defending what leo did weld.
    My interaction came with smurgen claiming Leo broke the law.
    That's a big claim and it's not at all clear he did.
    I'm not saying absolutely he didn't either!
    Either way imo he has proven to be at least untrustworthy and selfish and if I was having dealings with him I'd be wary of what I'd share with him again.
    I said it before, I think if it was a lesser minister he would have been forced out and probably should.


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  • #3097
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    They really are being shown up as clinging onto power no matter what. None of them have the country's best interests at heart. It's pathetic. And people still support and back them.

    It's their defenders that get me. Tell us that we get the politicians we deserve after elections while defending them to the hilt any time there's a scandal. The same people that wheel out victims in a grotesque exploitation before any election and then defend sealing the records of victims when it suits them.


  • #3098
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    I'm not defending what leo did weld.
    My interaction came with smurgen claiming Leo broke the law.
    That's a big claim and it's not at all clear he did.
    I'm not saying absolutely he didn't either!
    Either way imo he has proven to be at least untrustworthy and selfish and if I was having dealings with him I'd be wary of what I'd share with him again.
    I said it before, I think if it was a lesser minister he would have been forced out and probably should.

    I wasn't thinking of you when I posted. There have been posters in here since the minute it broke defending Leo, even before details came out.


  • #3099
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    OK I get that, but he didn't admit breaking the law.
    He had plenty of time to prepare his respnse and admitting wrong is not an admittance of breaking the law.

    If it was wrong, it was a breach. If it was a breach then he broke the law.

    If it wasn't a breach then it was not wrong.


  • #3100
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I wasn't thinking of you when I posted. There have been posters in here since the minute it broke defending Leo, even before details came out.

    The best one on here by a country mile was the poster who played the bully card because a magazine with journalists had information about Leo.

    The next day they were posting stats about how many covid deaths and hospital admittance figures the north had in some kind of macabre competition.

    Relevance to Leo Varadkar getting caught passing sensitive documents to the head of a rival organisation in a govt deal who should not have had them?

    Cult.


  • #3101
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If it was wrong, it was a breach. If it was a breach then he broke the law.

    If it wasn't a breach then it was not wrong.

    So say he broke the law and no ifs, ands, buts, or maybes!


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  • #3102
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    So say he broke the law and no ifs, ands, buts, or maybes!

    In my opinion he broke the law.


  • #3103
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    In my opinion he broke the law.

    I don’t know why you should be strong armed into passing your opinion, if only we had a dedicated, law enforcement / investigation type group of people who could look into this.


  • #3104
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Almost a week now, still a top story on Morning Ireland...you know what they say about that, not good, not good.


  • #3105
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    In my opinion he broke the law.

    And that's a cop out!


  • #3106
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    And that's a cop out!

    So what do you suggest? Can you confirm he did not break any laws without it being your opinion?


  • #3107
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    I don’t know why you should be strong armed into passing your opinion, if only we had a dedicated, law enforcement / investigation type group of people who could look into this.

    Well it seems the circled wagons won't allow anyone who might have an expert opinion or authority look at it. You would wonder why, if they are so sure of themselves.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-dismisses-calls-for-ag-to-be-consulted-over-whether-varadkar-broke-law-1.4400051?mode=amp


  • #3108
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    And that's a cop out!

    :):) How is it a cop out?


  • #3109
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    So what do you suggest? Can you confirm he did not break any laws without it being your opinion?

    Read back, covered that.


  • #3110
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :):) How is it a cop out?

    Because that doesn't state he broke the law. ;)


  • #3111
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Because that doesn't state he broke the law. ;)

    Ffs bishop they have said in their opinion he broke the law, opinions are all anyone have until a court ruling says otherwise, stop with the pedantry.


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  • #3112
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Because that doesn't state he broke the law. ;)

    Completely dis-ingenuous there Bish.


  • #3113
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Completely dis-ingenuous there Bish.

    You yes.
    State just them four words, Leo broke the Law.
    Stating it as your opinion Francie, doesn't mean he did and you know it:)


  • #3114
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Ffs bishop they have said in their opinion he broke the law, opinions are all anyone have until a court ruling says otherwise, stop with the pedantry.

    See what we are failing to understand is that it is ok to leak documents marked "confidential/Not for distribution" when you are a member to Fine Gael, however this only applies to Fine Gael any one else doing this would see the party the of Law and Order screaming that the person who leaked the document should be sacked, resign their seat and also have a criminal investigation into the leaking of the document.

    Ask yourself if this was a FF, SF, SD, etc that did this would do you think that Fine Gael would be just waving it away saying nothing to see here?


  • #3115
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    You yes.
    State just them four words, Leo broke the Law.
    Stating it as your opinion Francie, doesn't mean he did and you know it:)

    What?

    You have just made yourself look utterly ridiculous.


  • #3116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Ffs bishop they have said in their opinion he broke the law, opinions are all anyone have until a court ruling says otherwise, stop with the pedantry.

    Who actually said that he broke the law?


  • #3117
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Who actually said that he broke the law?

    They're all scared ****less to say it Maryanne.
    Imply it yes, but hiding behind little remarks that cop out from it.


  • #3118
    shatners bassoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭shatners bassoon


    There's a very strong argument here that he broke the law and that requires proper investigation. That's the key here.

    I still find the fact that he came out and argued that the Act doesn't apply to members of the Oireachtas absolutely incredible. That's not even up for debate, it's completely false.

    Whether the document itself comes under the Act, whether the leak constitutes an unlawful communication and whether he was authorised to do so / it was his duty to in the interest of the State to do so is potentially up for debate.


  • #3119
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    shatners bassoon wrote: »
    There's a very strong argument here that he broke the law and that requires proper investigation. That's the key here.

    I still find the fact that he came out and argued that the Act doesn't apply to members of the Oireachtas absolutely incredible. That's not even up for debate, it's completely false.

    Whether the document itself comes under the Act, whether the leak constitutes an unlawful communication and whether he was authorised to do so / it was his duty to in the interest of the State to do so is potentially up for debate.

    What law would he have broken? The document was in the public domain.


  • #3120
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    They're all scared ****less to say it Maryanne.
    Imply it yes, but hiding behind little remarks that cop out from it.

    If it was 'wrong' then there is no other conclusion that can be reached.

    Why?

    Because if it was 'wrong', then it was a breach. If it wasn't a breach then it wasn't 'wrong'.

    Varadkar is saying it himself and Michael Martin is refusing to allow anybody with the power to look at it (the Attorney general) give an opinion.

    So somebody (Bowes) has made a complaint to The Gardai and somebody else has made one to SIPO and somebody else to the Dáil ethics committee.


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  • #3121
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who actually said that he broke the law?

    Nobody can actually say that either way, that's the point Mary. Jesus.


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