Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Smacruairi

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He’ll be the next Taoiseach, dude. Not what you want to hear, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

Can I ask you again if you are happy with Leo's conduct. Your man will survive, but have you lost a bit of respect for the man as a professional, or is everything OK? You speak as if its all a big game, we are talking about our national representation, don't you want, and demand, better?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Everybody on this island are 'connected to violent groups' Harvey. And thankfully almost all of them bar dissidents are in the past. Stop being a hypocrite about it, you own your freedom because of violent groups. And those people you look down at will tell you the exact same thing.

I love this stock answer, everyone else was killing people so we (as in SF) were fine to do it too. It's not true though, is it? How many people did Hume kill?

Anyhow, will you condemn Adams for shielding his child raping brother at least? or do you care less about raped children than medical contracts?

JohnnyFlash

Smacruairi wrote: »

Can I ask you again if you are happy with Leo's conduct. Your man will survive, but have you lost a bit of respect for the man as a professional, or is everything OK? You speak as if its all a big game, we are talking about our national representation, don't you want, and demand, better?

Complete non-issue, and have lost no respect for him. Leaks, tip-offs, second guessing, throwing colleagues under a bus are all part of national politics. Every single senior politician will have done something similar at least once in their career. It's sometimes how stuff gets done.

This isn't the scouts, dude, it's the dark art of politics. We now have a deal with the doctors. That's what mattered.

Lot of naivety in this forum. Lot of lads got overly excited and rushed head long into this without thinking it through. Now they are angry because their fantasy of Leo resigning didn't come to pass. They had it all pictured out in their head. One or two thought he would even end up in prison!!!

There's more Mattie McGrath's than Machiavelli's around here tbh.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

I love this stock answer, everyone else was killing people so we (as in SF) were fine to do it too. It's not true though, is it? How many people did Hume kill?

Anyhow, will you condemn Adams for shielding his child raping brother at least? or do you care less about raped children than medical contracts?

Adams was wrong, if true.
How about FF/FG shielding child rapists and selling babies for generations? Letter of recommendation for one and shielding one?

The point was, and it stands, is FG'ers raising issues regarding people dying or being killed or raped to divert from their latest shame.

The facts are the IRA stood down and signed the GFA. FG/Lab gave a dissident a senate seat. FG have no shame in using the dead to try get a dig in.

FF/FG have low to no ethics it seems. Certainly no accountability. Bring on their demise. Can't come quick enough.

ooter

What are the chances, LV does something that every single senior politician has done at least once, yet he's the only one who gets caught and has to answer questions in the dail?

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

Adams was wrong, if true.
How about FF/FG shielding child rapists and selling babies for generations? Letter of recommendation for one and shielding one?

The point was, and it stands, is FG'ers raising issues regarding people dying or being killed or raped to divert from their latest shame.

The facts are the IRA stood down and signed the GFA. FG/Lab gave a dissident a senate seat. FG have no shame in using the dead to try get a dig in.

FF/FG have low to no ethics it seems. Certainly no accountability. Bring on their demise. Can't come quick enough.

I want Varadkar to go, I just don't buy into this outrage from people who are fine with bomb-makers being in the Dail.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Complete non-issue, and have lost no respect for him. Leaks, tip-offs, second guessing, throwing colleagues under a bus are all part of national politics. Every single senior politician will have done something similar at least once in their career. It's sometimes how stuff gets done.

This isn't the scouts, dude, it's the dark art of politics. We now have a deal with the doctors. That's what mattered.

Lot of naivety in this forum. Lot of lads got overly excited and rushed head long into this without thinking it through. Now they are angry because their fantasy of Leo resigning didn't come to pass. They had it all pictured out in their head. One or two thought he would even end up in prison!!!

There's more Mattie McGrath's than Machiavelli's around here tbh.

Made up guff off you JF. Beats engaging in discussion, right?

smurgen

ooter wrote: »

What are the chances, LV does something that every single senior politician has done at least once, yet he's the only one who gets caught and has to answer questions in the dail?

What are the chances that he gets nabbed the one time he does it.:D dude was like he seen a ghost yesterday. Splutterin' and stumbling. He was like a fella coming down off a massive hang over. I thought he was going to have a panic attack. The actions of a man with alot of skeletons I think.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

I want Varadkar to go, I just don't buy into this outrage from people who are fine with bomb-makers being in the Dail.

Context. People are complex. The British have a remembrance day for their killers and bomb makers. Each to their own.
I'm fine with SF having former IRA in their membership. I'd prefer the SD's but SF are our best chance.

We need standards in office. Separate issue. We've Leo leaking confidential documents and nothing to be done. Imagine, now imagine, we had a self serving politician in a high up position making bad deals for self interest at a loss to the tax payer using and breaking the system. Should we not have checks and balances in place? FF/FG/Greens say yes, but just for optics it seems. The faith of the tax payer and the country, in all things, only has the word of these people from questionable parties to safeguard them. That good enough?

FrancieBrady

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I want Varadkar to go, I just don't buy into this outrage from people who are fine with bomb-makers being in the Dail.

Well you wouldnt have been comfortable looking at the Dail in to the 1970's as reps of violent groups who gave you a sovereign state to live in were there..
Remember that when you are looking down your nose at people who didn't even have equality.

You don't need to condone violence not to be hypocritical.

smurgen

That part in O'Tuathail's messages about Lieo and the National Broadband plan was interesting.

FrancieBrady

:D:D:D

What's the world coming to eh? You can't even leak confidential contracts in peace anymore.

Varadkar warns party members to be careful who they think their friends are,

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-pp-meeting-2-5255393-Nov2020/?utm_source=twitter_short

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D:D:D

What's the world coming to eh? You can't even leak confidential contracts in peace anymore.


https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-pp-meeting-2-5255393-Nov2020/?utm_source=twitter_short

Heard that on the news earlier. He's basically saying if you leak confidential documents make sure you can trust who you are leaking to.

smurgen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D:D:D

What's the world coming to eh? You can't even leak confidential contracts in peace anymore.


https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-pp-meeting-2-5255393-Nov2020/?utm_source=twitter_short

He really really reminds me of trump in so many ways. Zero integrity all self interest and a narcissist to the core.

Rows Grower

smurgen wrote: »

That part in O'Tuathail's messages about Lieo and the National Broadband plan was interesting.

"And a wage for you" gives a handy insight into the mindset of what we are putting up with.

TheChizler

Rows Grower wrote: »

"And a wage for you" gives a handy insight into the mindset of what we are putting up with.

Was that screenshot supposed to have been taken from Leo's own phone? How did that happen?

Hubertj

Will there be a proper investigation as to what exactly happened and if there was a negative outcome to the actions taken? Or was it only the other dishonest politicians that got to do a bit of grandstanding yesterday? And then On boards.ie a trial with bitter socialists Prosecuting and “admirably” loyal FGers defending?
It’s clear he shouldn’t have shared the document but what is more important is knowing if that somehow influenced decisions or led to an negative outcome for the Irish people.

Dempo1

O Leo, just can't leave it alone

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-warns-tds-to-be-careful-who-they-chose-as-friends-after-leak-row-39708203.html

He's one lucky chap with the US election being a major journalistic distraction.

FrancieBrady

Open squabbling in FF over it. Deadly altogether. Government of Chaos.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1324086207769358337

FrancieBrady

Hubertj wrote: »

Will there be a proper investigation as to what exactly happened and if there was a negative outcome to the actions taken? Or was it only the other dishonest politicians that got to do a bit of grandstanding yesterday? And then On boards.ie a trial with bitter socialists Prosecuting and “admirably” loyal FGers defending?
It’s clear he shouldn’t have shared the document but what is more important is knowing if that somehow influenced decisions or led to an negative outcome for the Irish people.

It's a crime regardless of outcome, positive or negative. When he leaked it he wasn't to know and couldn't know, what the outcome would be.

Dempo1

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Open squabbling in FF over it. Deadly altogether. Government of Chaos.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1324086207769358337

O Dear, this is Hillarious, it would be almost Ironic if FF imploded because of its leaderships support of leaky Leo

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well you wouldnt have been comfortable looking at the Dail in to the 1970's as reps of violent groups who gave you a sovereign state to live in were there..
Remember that when you are looking down your nose at people who didn't even have equality.

You don't need to condone violence not to be hypocritical.

So you aren't going to condemn Adams for protecting a child rapist then?

It will be always be part of his legacy, "Gerry Adams protected a child rapist", fairly sure that's worse than leaking a medical contract.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

So you aren't going to condemn Adams for protecting a child rapist then?

It will be always be part of his legacy, "Gerry Adams protected a child rapist", fairly sure that's worse than leaking a medical contract.

I have already done it on the relevant thread and more to the point, I have condemned any of the many organisations that have messed up on this issue.

You carry on Harvey. Don't be a hypocrite in the luxury of your fought for personal freedom, look around you at people cozying up to alleged abuse victims for politically advantageous photo ops while denying the rights of those victimised and abused by the state their two parties have run since independence Or fighting abuse victims all the way to the European courts because they want to put in place protections for potential victims. Hypocrites too.

If you want to vent yourself on this, I suggest you open a thread. It is off topic here and I won't be answering you.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have already done it on the relevant thread and more to the point, I have condemned any of the many organisations that have messed up on this issue.

You carry on Harvey. Don't be a hypocrite in the luxury of your fought for personal freedom, look around you at people cozying up to alleged abuse victims for politically advantageous photo ops while denying the rights of those victimised and abused by the state their two parties have run since independence Or fighting abuse victims all the way to the European courts because they want to put in place protections for potential victims. Hypocrites too.

If you want to vent yourself on this, I suggest you open a thread. It is off topic here and I won't be answering you.

Humour me a little longer, do you agree it's morally reprehensible that Mary-Lou hasn't condemned Adams for his inaction? After all, she worked for years for a guy who protected a child rapist?

If you think Leo is out of line, you must really be disgusted by Mary-Lou's lack of a moral compass on child rapists?

Hubertj

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's a crime regardless of outcome, positive or negative. When he leaked it he wasn't to know and couldn't know, what the outcome would be.

That’s what I want to know. All the facts fully investigated, not just a magazine article, some useless politicians point scoring and then a bunch of people on the web with nothing better to do (you and I for example) commenting on it.
You say a crime was committed. I think some sort of laws or regulations were broken. That should be properly established. Then appropriate action taken.
Only a fool would think any politician hasn’t done something similar. To me they are all the same, so what needs to be established is what was the outcome.

smurgen

Imagine the guy that said months ago “I’m embarrassed to be a member of this chamber tonight” in a reference to an argument on dail speaking times. Would someone that had that level of embarrassment over speaking times not just resign to protect the reputation of the dail in light of what he’s personally done? He’s completely undermined people’s faith in the government and laws.

FrancieBrady

Hubertj wrote: »

That’s what I want to know. All the facts fully investigated, not just a magazine article, some useless politicians point scoring and then a bunch of people on the web with nothing better to do (you and I for example) commenting on it.
You say a crime was committed. I think some sort of laws or regulations were broken. That should be properly established. Then appropriate action taken.
Only a fool would think any politician hasn’t done something similar. To me they are all the same, so what needs to be established is what was the outcome.

If you want an investigation it won't happen in the Dáil. Speak to your local Green, FF or FG rep because they have circled the wagons and will block any sanction or inquiry coming from the House. All we can hope is that SIPO The Gardai will respond to the formal complaints made to them.

Yurt2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Open squabbling in FF over it. Deadly altogether. Government of Chaos.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1324086207769358337

Not sure I'd read too much into this. MacSharry is a swivel eyed loon who's been in a sulk over being overlooked for even a junior minister role. He's barking mad.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Humour me a little longer, do you agree it's morally reprehensible that Mary-Lou hasn't condemned Adams for his inaction? After all, she worked for years for a guy who protected a child rapist?

If you think Leo is out of line, you must really be disgusted by Mary-Lou's lack of a moral compass on child rapists?

So Gerry's rapist brother was involved in leaking the confidential document? Or was Shergar getting kidnapped worse than what Leo did so that cancels it out too? Can you elaborate on your much laboured 'point' as it relates to Leo leaking a confidential document to a pal, (acquaintance, lad he knew)? Also can you explain why FG often rely on distraction when defending their 'no wrong doing'?
Do you think it's right to use a rape victim or dead person to try protect a FG TD from being criticised? Just curious.
Can you imagine how jaded people, not affiliated with SF, maybe even regular FG voters, might be to have to listen to this kind of ****e every time a FG minister ****s up? Can't be good for FG.

FrancieBrady

Yurt! wrote: »

Not sure I'd read too much into this. MacSharry is a swivel eyed loon who's been in a sulk over being overlooked for even a junior minister role. He's barking mad.

I must tell what I think of some senior members in FF some time!

I know McSharry is a loon, but there were others annoyed enough to speak up.

Others, though not going as far as MacSharry in speaking aloud, privately very annoyed at the not-much-to-see-here approach from Martin. Some had hoped this would “bring Varadkar to heel” and have him act more as a Tánaiste than a “co-Taoiseach”