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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #2492
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Trump demands recount in Wisconsin even before the count is finished.

    I thought he believed the US should get the results in as quickly as possible to know the winner ASAP. Could this not delay it?

    Tell me Trump isn't a hypocrite.


  • #2493
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    At this stage what are people thinking for the last few results?

    Its odd that the republicans seem to think they are still the Arizona race...do theh know something the numbers aren't showing?

    If Trump gets Arizona, Georgia and NC he only needs PA?

    I'm still nervous on this....that he will sneak this yet....


  • #2494
    Shelga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Why do we always have to do soul-searching after this rubbish?

    Is it not possible that some people are just horrible underneath, and now revel in the fact that they have a candidate who allows them to express their true selves?

    It's happened many times in the past.


  • #2495
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    One small thing for both sides, they need to be better with spending their money on viral candidates .,,,examples?

    Amy Mc Grath and James Harrison in the senate, while the GOP base yet again looks like have splashed to much money on hopeless candidates who have some viral fame.

    The spend on Harrison clearly shows that money doesn't always talk! Such a pity! I was really looking forward to a Graham-free Senate!

    I don't think Mc Grath ever really had much of a hope in KY.


  • #2496
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,421 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Movementarian wrote: »
    At this stage what are people thinking for the last few results?

    Its odd that the republicans seem to think they are still the Arizona race...do theh know something the numbers aren't showing?

    If Trump gets Arizona, Georgia and NC he only needs PA?

    I'm still nervous on this....that he will sneak this yet....

    It feels like they're just looking to stall things as long as possible in the hope that something will happen, it's hard to see him conceding no matter what happens with the vote.


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  • #2497
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,019 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Trump demands recount in Wisconsin even before the count is finished.

    So if Trump is calling for a recount in Wisconsin can Hillary Clinton ask for one for 2016 ? I’m joking obviously but it highlights the ridiculousness of trumps demand.


  • #2498
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Trump whinging about Wisconsin. Ordering a recount.


  • #2499
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I find it funny that he now doesn’t want all counting to stop.


  • #2500
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So if Trump is calling for a recount in Wisconsin can Hillary Clinton ask for one for 2016 ? I’m joking obviously but it highlights the ridiculousness of trumps demand.

    With the news of missing ballots in FL are true then Biden should demand a recount there.


  • #2501
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,436 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Movementarian wrote: »
    At this stage what are people thinking for the last few results?

    Its odd that the republicans seem to think they are still the Arizona race...do theh know something the numbers aren't showing?

    If Trump gets Arizona, Georgia and NC he only needs PA?

    I'm still nervous on this....that he will sneak this yet....

    AP called Arizona hours ago.

    Georgia will go to Biden too by a hair


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  • #2502
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    If Biden wins you'll not see a republican president for the next 16 years. Biden won't last 8 years though, he'll have to step down in 2 probably, if he lasts two.
    What happens in that scenario

    I disagree. A Biden presidency will be made impossible to function as it will try to deal with a post-Covid economy that is in tatters, while a Senate stays in Republican hands. Mc Connell will do to Biden EXACTLY what he did in Obama's second term. By the time 2024 comes around, Trumpism will not have gone away.

    I'm feeling quite desperate about it TBH!

    I do agree that Biden may not stay the full term and may hand the reins over to Harris at some point after the next mid-terms.


  • #2503
    Panrich
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Trump whinging about Wisconsin. Ordering a recount.

    Meanwhile in 2016...

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/12/01/Trump-campaign-objects-to-recount-efforts-in-Michigan/8861480642641/


  • #2504
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,019 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Panrich wrote: »
    Meanwhile in 2016...

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/12/01/Trump-campaign-objects-to-recount-efforts-in-Michigan/8861480642641/
    I’m shocked. I’m not really.


  • #2505
    Brian?
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Trump whinging about Wisconsin. Ordering a recount.


    Ordering? He can't order them to do anything.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #2506
    TomOnBoard
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    No, we're not. We're voting as the populations of the 50 States at the same time to elect the chief executive of the United States. Note that legally, most of us aren't voting for a person, we are voting for a group of electors.

    The deference to the population discrepancy is that some states have more votes than others, though legally, all are separate and equal states.

    This concept is fundamental to the structure of the US, not just for elections. It's how the country works on a daily basis.

    This ^^^...

    Imagine how we would feel in Ireland if our votes in an EU context were dictated solely by population? it's bad enough as it is, but we would never get a look in, if our perspectives were not shared by the large populations in the mainland.

    Bad as the EC system may be, it is fundamental to the concept of a country being formed out of a set of States that are United, and not a single entity where California and New York together would dictate policy in every facet of life for the entire mid-West.


  • #2507
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ilhan Omar re-elected in MN by 40 points. Delighted for her after the bile she's been subject to over the last 2 years.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #2508
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,421 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Brian? wrote: »
    Ordering? He can't order them to do anything.

    I do wonder if Bill Barr is hunkered down figuring out how he can enable this for Trump.

    I also think they have to wait a few days before the recount can begin.


  • #2509
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,019 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    I disagree. A Biden presidency will be made impossible to function as it will try to deal with a post-Covid economy that is in tatters, while a Senate stays in Republican hands. Mc Connell will do to Biden EXACTLY what he did in Obama's second term. By the time 2024 comes around, Trumpism will not have gone away.

    I'm feeling quite desperate about it TBH!

    I do agree that Biden may not stay the full term and may hand the reins over to Harris at some point after the next mid-terms.

    I don’t agree that a Biden presidency will be impossible to function because of McConnell. McConnell has a relationship with Biden pre trump having served in the senate together. He gave some very warm remarks towards Biden when Biden became Vice President and also passed an amendment to a cancer bill to rename it to beau Biden. My point is that Biden may be able to work with the GOP in the senate given his history.


  • #2510
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    The system would be more representative if the EC votes were awarded proportionate to the votes in each state. That alone would give a more accurate reflection of voter sentiment, and would also encourage candidates to compete in states where they might not be able to win outright.

    I can't dig it up but The Economist had an article on this. Apparently, for some states it's winner-takes-all and for others, electors are delegated in proportion to the distribution of the popular vote. That would make a lot more sense to me.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2511
    Carfacemandog
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Ilhan Omar re-elected in MN by 40 points. Delighted for her after the bile she's been subject to over the last 2 years.

    I thought Omar was so hated in MN that she was going to not only lose her seat, but cost Biden the state? :p


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  • #2512
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Brian? wrote: »
    Ordering? He can't order them to do anything.

    He can direct that a recount takes place in a close election. It is standard practice and they couldn't refuse.


  • #2513
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,411 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I can't dig it up but The Economist had an article on this. Apparently, for some states it's winner-takes-all and for others, electors are delegated in proportion to the distribution of the popular vote. That would make a lot more sense to me.
    I think your right
    I think 7ish EC votes went to people like Kasich or Paul in 2016.


  • #2514
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,019 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    paleoperson wrote: »
    He can direct that a recount takes place in a close election. It is standard practice and they couldn't refuse.

    He can request a recount. It can’t order or direct anything.


  • #2515
    Brian?
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    He can direct that a recount takes place in a close election. It is standard practice and they couldn't refuse.

    No he can't, he has no authority over how states run their elections.


    It's up to each secretary of state. Some states have a threshold for a recount. I think Florida is 1% margin. I think Wisonsin is 0.5% and so on.

    The States run the elections, not the federal government. If they wanted to decide their EC votes by pie eating competition, there's nothing the Federal government can do about it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #2516
    JazzyJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    This ^^^...

    Imagine how we would feel in Ireland if our votes in an EU context were dictated solely by population? it's bad enough as it is, but we would never get a look in, if our perspectives were not shared by the large populations in the mainland.

    Bad as the EC system may be, it is fundamental to the concept of a country being formed out of a set of States that are United, and not a single entity where California and New York together would dictate policy in every facet of life for the entire mid-West.

    But the US senate gives each state an equal voice?


  • #2517
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,807 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    gmisk wrote: »
    I think your right
    I think 7ish EC votes went to people like Kasich or Paul in 2016.

    None officially, all from faithless electors.

    Supreme Court has reduced the risks of that happening by allowing sanctions for faithless electors.


  • #2518
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    paleoperson wrote: »
    He can direct that a recount takes place in a close election. It is standard practice and they couldn't refuse.

    The key criteria is being within 1% I believe, which it currently is as Biden leads by 0.7%. There is 5% left to be counted though which ifi am correct is almost entirely provision and mail in, whichnight put Biden above that threshold. I guess we'll have to see.


  • #2519
    Headshot
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    He can request a recount. It can’t order or direct anything.

    With I think over 26 thousand votes difference, a request to recount wont cause that count to deviate that much

    Typically you might get maybe 12 or so but not thousands


  • #2520
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    His fraud accusation is also a kick in the teeth to the thousands of civically minded decent Americans who offer up their time make sure the election actually happens and to count the votes. Imagine doing a 12+ hour shift counting votes and then you see your President accuse you of fraud. Desperate carry on from him but hopefully democracy and fairness will triumph in the end.


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  • #2521
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Biden lead in Michigan at 45000.


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