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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #2912
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    You'd feel bad for Matt O'Toole - from the WhatsApp screenshots you can tell he trusted Bowes so must feel like a gut punch to see their private messages being shared.

    Then on the other side you had Leo dragging him through the mud during the questions in the Dail.

    Getting punches from all angles.


  • #2913
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McMurphy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/onon20401170/status/1323986371162329089?s=09

    Any other country,what went on here would be a crime,and a fairly serious one at that


    Jokeshop of a country,jokeshop of a parliment to let it happen,

    Nothing ever fcuking changes here,


  • #2914
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You'd feel bad for Matt O'Toole - from the WhatsApp screenshots you can tell he trusted Bowes so must feel like a gut punch to see their private messages being shared.

    Then on the other side you had Leo dragging him through the mud during the questions in the Dail.

    Getting punches from all angles.

    Would you accept that Leo knew exactly what he was doing and told O'Tuathill what would happen if the IMO got wind of it?


  • #2915
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Village magazine claiming "much more to come"

    More info for public consumption; much more to come
    If it's more of the same, then there's feck all here.

    MOT comes off looking like a gobsh1te but I see nothing that contradicts the current account.

    In fact, if anything it strengthens Leo's account. MOT asks "how's tricks" and Leo ignores it. They're clearly not close friends.

    Edit: If he sent the same DM to Leo that he sent to Harris, then that basically exonerates Leo completely. MOT asked for the contract in the interests of sharing it with GPs and "getting it over the line". Which is basically why Leo said he sent it.


  • #2916
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Was MOT really such an eejit that he shared screenshots of every message on his phone with Bowes? Who does that?


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  • #2917
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Was MOT really such an eejit that he shared screenshots of every message on his phone with Bowes? Who does that?

    Someone who thinks they did something great I guess.


  • #2918
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Was MOT really such an eejit that he shared screenshots of every message on his phone with Bowes? Who does that?

    Leo is the bigger eegit for engaging in a WhatsApp messenger chat with him.


  • #2919
    Smegging hell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Smegging hell


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You'd feel bad for Matt O'Toole - from the WhatsApp screenshots you can tell he trusted Bowes so must feel like a gut punch to see their private messages being shared.

    Then on the other side you had Leo dragging him through the mud during the questions in the Dail.

    Getting punches from all angles.

    Can't say I feel bad for a GP who talks about rape in such a puerile and trivialising way.


  • #2920
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    seamus wrote: »
    In fact, if anything it strengthens Leo's account. MOT asks "how's tricks" and Leo ignores it. They're clearly not close friends.

    No it doesn't, you don't know he didn't answer, it could've been answered on another media or even meetup.


  • #2921
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/11Uy5vmEwqoxLfhGaq2DDFQy3DDyNJk-L/view?usp=drivesdk

    Claims he did meet Harris for lunch “on the quite”. Contradiction no 1.


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  • #2922
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    seamus wrote: »
    If it's more of the same, then there's feck all here.

    MOT comes off looking like a gobsh1te but I see nothing that contradicts the current account.

    In fact, if anything it strengthens Leo's account. MOT asks "how's tricks" and Leo ignores it. They're clearly not close friends.

    Edit: If he sent the same DM to Leo that he sent to Harris, then that basically exonerates Leo completely. MOT asked for the contract in the interests of sharing it with GPs and "getting it over the line". Which is basically why Leo said he sent it.

    Not s line of defence I'd like to take if I were Leo.


  • #2923
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Would you accept that Leo knew exactly what he was doing and told O'Tuathill what would happen if the IMO got wind of it?

    Not sure how I can accept that given there appears to be no evidence of that? I can only go on what is in front of me.


  • #2924
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You'd feel bad for Matt O'Toole - from the WhatsApp screenshots you can tell he trusted Bowes so must feel like a gut punch to see their private messages being shared.

    Then on the other side you had Leo dragging him through the mud during the questions in the Dail.

    Getting punches from all angles.

    You feel bad for MOT?

    He comes across as a Charlatan


  • #2925
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You'd feel bad for Matt O'Toole - from the WhatsApp screenshots you can tell he trusted Bowes so must feel like a gut punch to see their private messages being shared.

    Then on the other side you had Leo dragging him through the mud during the questions in the Dail.

    Getting punches from all angles.

    Any sympathy I might have had for him was deleted by his money bags emoji 💰. Lowlife through and through, especially for a GP.


  • #2926
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Any other country,what went on here would be a crime,and a fairly serious one at that


    Jokeshop of a country,jokeshop of a parliment to let it happen

    I think yesterday was more or less unprecedented for the simple reason that if this had happened in the past Varadkar would be gone long before he needed to come into the Dáil.
    My analysis says that this toxic power swap has led us to this.


  • #2927
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You'd feel bad for Matt O'Toole - from the WhatsApp screenshots you can tell he trusted Bowes so must feel like a gut punch to see their private messages being shared.

    Then on the other side you had Leo dragging him through the mud during the questions in the Dail.

    Getting punches from all angles.

    not a bit, why would you feel bad?? he only got caught that's all. If this was never in the public domain, he's be on TV telling everyone what's right and wrong whilst trying to profit from immigration issues and boasting about having strings pulled all the time for his benefit...oh poor guy, his shiny portion of the golden circle turned out to be fools gold and you have to feel bad for him..

    I get what you mean in that he was feckt over twice but as Alec baldwin says in Glengarry...you wanna play in the mans game!!! hit the bricks pal!!


  • #2928
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    No it doesn't, you don't know he didn't answer, it could've been answered on another media or even meetup.
    It could. But if that exists, it hasn't been shared.

    Based on what has been shared, it supports Varadkar's account.


  • #2929
    NSAman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Basics here....

    Who sends something with "Confidential, Not for Circulation"???

    I think the Big lettering may have caused the "error in judgement". Maybe he is used to small letters?

    Anyone defending this has dubious moral character in my opinion.


  • #2930
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    Is there going to be an investigation to determine the facts, make a ruling at had out a punishment? Or is that only done within a party?
    I don’t think Leo should resign because other idiots such as Murphy say he should. He should resign or be removed if he has broken x law or regulation or y person personally benefitted from the sharing of the documents


  • #2931
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Not sure how I can accept that given there appears to be no evidence of that? I can only go on what is in front of me.

    Don't you think Leo would have told him why he was giving him the document?

    Seems to me he was warned very strongly about what would happen if the IMO found out....and it wasn't that it was in the national interest.

    Never mind though, I am quite enjoying the squirming from confronting the reality of what was going on here in FG supporters.


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  • #2932
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Make sure to check the Pdf screenshots from the village article and not just the Tweet.

    https://villagemagazine.ie/more-info-for-public-consumption-much-more-to-come/

    Pdf
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/11Uy5vmEwqoxLfhGaq2DDFQy3DDyNJk-L/view?usp=sharing


  • #2933
    ToddDameron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭ToddDameron


    seamus wrote: »

    In fact, if anything it strengthens Leo's account. MOT asks "how's tricks" and Leo ignores it. They're clearly not close friends.

    That's not a logical statement. They could have chatted away underneath that message for all we know. We don't even see Leo's full response.


  • #2934
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Was MOT really such an eejit that he shared screenshots of every message on his phone with Bowes? Who does that?

    "Chay, chay, look how connected I am, look who's texting me, look!!"


  • #2935
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    StupidLikeAFox wrote: »
    "Chay, chay, look how connected I am, look who's texting me, look!!"

    We don't know that he was lying. He did get a confidential document delivered by him.


  • #2936
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Those new screenshot strengthen Leo's defence.

    Surely they have something bigger.


  • #2937
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Don't you think Leo would have told him why he was giving him the document?

    Seems to me he was warned very strongly about what would happen if the IMO found out....and it wasn't that it was in the national interest.
    Seems to me that MOT supposed what would happen if the IMO found out.

    There's no text in that list saying, "Don't tell anyone where you got this", or "Don't tell the IMO". All it says is, "This isn't final, don't take it as gospel".

    If this was something Varadkar thought was dodgy and underhanded, don't you think he'd have been careful *NOT* to be sending texts about it and asking his secretary to send it out?


  • #2938
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Don't you think Leo would have told him why he was giving him the document?

    Seems to me he was warned very strongly about what would happen if the IMO found out....and it wasn't that it was in the national interest.

    Never mind though, I am quite enjoying the squirming from confronting the reality of what was going on here in FG supporters.

    I've never voted FG, so not sure why you are directing that at me.

    I've only ever posted based on the facts that were available at the time. I have no time for being asked about my opinion on suggestions that are without basis or people adding more to a story without any evidence to support it. I post based on the information in front of me.


  • #2939
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Those new screenshot strengthen Leo's defence.

    Surely they have something bigger.

    Leo's defence that it was it was some kind of a govt strategy?

    Not seeing any evidence of that myself jingle.


  • #2940
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Was MOT really such an eejit that he shared screenshots of every message on his phone with Bowes? Who does that?
    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Someone who thinks they did something great I guess.

    Young lad with not enough experience and cop-on, and too much ego is my read - trying to brag about his connections for both personal and professional kudos

    We all know Leo has quite an ego himself.


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  • #2941
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    seamus wrote: »
    Seems to me that MOT supposed what would happen if the IMO found out.

    There's no text in that list saying, "Don't tell anyone where you got this", or "Don't tell the IMO". All it says is, "This isn't final, don't take it as gospel".

    If this was something Varadkar thought was dodgy and underhanded, don't you think he'd have been careful *NOT* to be sending texts about it and asking his secretary to send it out?

    The contract he thought it was inappropriate (dodgy) to send the way he did? the one he sent in secret unknown to the entire government?


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