Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:04PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

There was no homophobic slant in Doherty's line of questioning.

Mattie McGrath on the other hand...

What did McGrath say that was homopobic? Are you sure you understand what homophobia is? Asking how close a friendship was, is not homophobia regardless how the questioned person answers. Others queried the closeness of the friendship and Varadkar answered without going there.

03-11-2020 10:05PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Calling the reputation of the whistleblower/s into question doesn't change the fact that Leo was a bold boy and he got caught.
Dominic Rabb the British minister accused Leo of leaking during the Brexit negotiations, seems he more than likely was correct as we learned Leo has form.

Being on the same side as Rabb will never be a good thing, imo.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:05PM

McMurphy wrote: »

What relevance does that have to the Leo saga of November 2020?

Nothing.

elperello · 03-11-2020 10:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I recall it the Village issued a statement disassociating themselves from her political views which they said she didn't have while writing occasional articles for them. I'd imagine the Indo would do the same and any other publication she may have worked for.

Nice try at shooting the messenger, very Maurice McCabesque.

This link is to a comprehensive editorial about GO'D published in Village last year.

https://villagemagazine.ie/village-editorial-september-gemma-odoherty-2019/

This is the concluding paragraph.

Meanwhile Village will continue to publish investigative journalism on the basis of the journalism rather than the author, unless the author shows evidence of failing to recognise democratic norms. Once O’Doherty revealed herself as racist she was no longer welcome in these pages. Expecting the magazine to have dropped the welcome pre-emptively is unfair and naïve.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 10:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What did McGrath say that was homopobic? Are you sure you understand what homophobia is? Asking how close a friendship was, is not homophobia regardless how the questioned person answers. Others queried the closeness of the friendship and Varadkar answered without going there.

He said nothing homophobic but did say “parade” without saying pride when asking about his friendship with the dr - I think he didn’t say it as he didn’t want to be the one to say it.

Bubbaclaus · 03-11-2020 10:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What did McGrath say that was homopobic? Are you sure you understand what homophobia is? Asking how close a friendship was, is not homophobia regardless how the questioned person answers. Others queried the closeness of the friendship and Varadkar answered without going there.

You can say whatever you want, I heard what I heard and plenty of others have the same thoughts about the incident.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:09PM

elperello wrote: »

This link is to a comprehensive editorial about GO'D published in Village last year.

https://villagemagazine.ie/village-editorial-september-gemma-odoherty-2019/

This is the concluding paragraph.

Meanwhile Village will continue to publish investigative journalism on the basis of the journalism rather than the author, unless the author shows evidence of failing to recognise democratic norms. Once O’Doherty revealed herself as racist she was no longer welcome in these pages. Expecting the magazine to have dropped the welcome pre-emptively is unfair and naïve.

Yes, that was the piece I remembered. Savage and emphatic dis-association.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 10:10PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You can say whatever you want, I heard what I heard and plenty of others have the same thoughts about the incident.

You can’t just call someone a homophobe because they didn’t say something in the way you feel it should have been said.

walshb · 03-11-2020 10:10PM

What answers will satisfy the opposition?

Have to laugh at the opposition being asked by commentators if they are/were happy with the answers..

As if they are going to say, yes, we’re over the moon..

Opposition is not about ever really accepting and agreeing..

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:12PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

He said nothing homophobic but did say “parade” without saying pride when asking about his friendship with the dr - I think he didn’t say it as he didn’t want to be the one to say it.

He was referencing a photo that shows or at least begs the question as to how close a friendship he had, as Varadkar had been downplaying the friendship. ('throwing him under the bus' was the comment being made widely at the time.)
Perfectly legitimate to question that IMO.

I Am The Law · 03-11-2020 10:12PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

He said nothing homophobic but did say “parade” without saying pride when asking about his friendship with the dr - I think he didn’t say it as he didn’t want to be the one to say it.

https://youtu.be/CHR5Ly3TrwM

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, that was the piece I remembered. Savage and emphatic dis-association.

How the feck did they let her associate herself with them when they are a let wing magazine!!

LOL she is a fruitcake, probably jumped on the racist bandwagon recently.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 10:14PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

https://youtu.be/CHR5Ly3TrwM

Yeah - that’s what some people wish mgrath said, anything to deflect from the real issue.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:15PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How the feck did they let her associate herself with them when they are a let wing magazine!!

LOL she is a fruitcake, probably jumped on the racist bandwagon recently.

You need to research GoD. She was a respected journalist at one time.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 10:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He was referencing a photo that shows or at least begs the question as to how close a friendship he had, as Varadkar had been downplaying the friendship. ('throwing him under the bus' was the comment being made widely at the time.)
Perfectly legitimate to question that IMO.

We know he is talking bollocks about the friendship, he said they weren’t close, some people think they are closer then they are etc, later then he said he included him in his group of 6 during lockdown...

He was caught on that point to be fair.

elperello · 03-11-2020 10:19PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How the feck did they let her associate herself with them when they are a let wing magazine!!

LOL she is a fruitcake, probably jumped on the racist bandwagon recently.

Read the link I posted and google her career.

She was not always the pariah she has become.

McMurphy · 03-11-2020 10:19PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How the feck did they let her associate herself with them when they are a let wing magazine!!

LOL she is a fruitcake, probably jumped on the racist bandwagon recently.

It was posted only a few posts before you posted that.

Meanwhile Village will continue to publish investigative journalism on the basis of the journalism rather than the author, unless the author shows evidence of failing to recognise democratic norms. Once O’Doherty revealed herself as racist she was no longer welcome in these pages. Expecting the magazine to have dropped the welcome pre-emptively is unfair and naïve.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You need to research GoD. She was a respected journalist at one time.

I'll pass, all I need to know about her has happened in the last few months:)

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:20PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

We know he is talking bollocks about the friendship, he said they weren’t close, some people think they are closer then they are etc, later then he said he included him in his group of 6 during lockdown...

He was caught on that point to be fair.

It was a huge part of his defence - to make O'Tuautaill look like the bad guy in this.

Very few but the ardent FGers bought it and certainly nobody on the Opposition did. McGrath was just following up on what others were doing, questioning him on it.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

It was posted only a few posts before you posted that.

Ah yeah, makes sense.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:22PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was a huge part of his defence - to make O'Tuautaill look like the bad guy in this.

Very few but the ardent FGers bought it and certainly nobody on the Opposition did. McGrath was just following up on what others were doing, questioning him on it.

Surely O'Tuautill can finish him off now of he has more ammo seems Leo made him out to be the bad guy?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:22PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'll pass, all I need to know about her has happened in the last few months:)

Of course you'll pass on informing yourself. You only wanted to insinuate something to begin with.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:24PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Surely O'Tuautill can finish him off now of he has more ammo seems Leo made him out to be the bad guy?

It is one of the aspects of his defense few, but the most ardent supporters, believe anyway.

The Village has more tomorrow, we'll soon see.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 10:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was a huge part of his defence - to make O'Tuautaill look like the bad guy in this.

Very few but the ardent FGers bought it and certainly nobody on the Opposition did. McGrath was just following up on what others were doing, questioning him on it.

Yeah it’s an interesting relationship for sure - I don’t think anyone will touch it further for fear of being tarred homophobe etc.

But Christ, not friends, but when lockdown came around he was in his close group? Surely credibility will be lost on that. This and the slip up on if he had leaked anything to else are red flags for me.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course you'll pass on informing yourself. You only wanted to insinuate something to begin with.

That's the thing. I actually wasn't from when I asked the question.

But I seen you lads jumped on it thinking I was insinuating something and have kept up the tag team even though I'm agreeing on every post you put up.

Very defensive.

You must have missed my post yesterday where I said Leo was silly and how could he be so stupid.

McMurphy · 03-11-2020 10:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was a huge part of his defence - to make O'Tuautaill look like the bad guy in this.

Very few but the ardent FGers bought it and certainly nobody on the Opposition did. McGrath was just following up on what others were doing, questioning him on it.

In fairness to MOT - he's being hung out to dry, he didn't go running to the press to snitch on Leo, that seems to be Bowes on a solo run.

Leo is trying, and badly failing to imply MOT was some kind of infatuated plague who was trying to cling to him because he was the Taoiseach.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2020 10:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's the thing. I actually wasn't from when I asked the question.

But I seen you lads jumped on it thinking I was insinuating something and have kept up the tag team even though I'm agreeing on every post you put up.

Very defensive.

You must have missed my post yesterday where I said Leo was silly and how could he be so stupid.

Sure JJ, it was an innocent question. Whatever.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-11-2020 10:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sure JJ, it was an innocent question. Whatever.

Sure Francie, whatever.

You're always so quick to jump down people's throat.

I read on wiki about God and I wanted to see if it was true.

What does it matter if she was or is working for them in the context of Leo's leak?

The facts about this story are out there.

If she worked or works for them that changes nothing.

thomas 123 · 03-11-2020 10:30PM

Anyone else get the feeling Simon Harris was not too happy with Leo? Lots of head shaking and surprised faces(eyes since facemask was on) while Leo was talking, I don’t know what to make of it being honest.

Floppybits · 03-11-2020 10:32PM

thomas 123 wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling Simon Harris was not too happy with Leo? Lots of head shaking and surprised faces(eyes since facemask was on) while Leo was talking, I don’t know what to make of it being honest.

Helen McEntee wasn't impressed when her name was dragged into it either when she went out to bat for him yesterday.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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