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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • #3002
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Anne1984 wrote: »
    Teachers should in this case eat with the students they have just taught. There is no need for teachers to be a close contact of each other. They have no choice but to being close to other students so to minimise spread should sit with them instead of other teachers.

    16 teachers at my local school were close contacts of each other and had to isolate. The school had to close. It makes no sense.

    I have a better suggestion. Give teachers pay restoration. Then more of them could afford cars and they would be able to sit safely in the car park having their lunch.


  • #3003
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    What is this based on?

    A quarter of Covid infections in Ireland have been in healthcare workers.

    A fifth of staff in Tallaght Hospital had positive antibodies to Covid in the recent study there. That's staff across all departments, those with direct and less direct patient contact.


    So in the majority of wards you are as likely to come across covid as you are in many other lines of work. This doesn't mean that that percentage isn't real but let's remember there are a tonne of health workers in the country and I'm pretty sure plenty of other professions have also gotten covid 19 in work. So yes working on a ward with covid patients is extremely risky. If you're working with the general public then most likely you are more protected in a hospital with full ppe than a creche worker is. Its not a Pitting jobs against each other comment, those people who got covid in work deserve better conditions, but not ever nurse or doctor does the same type of work. What is the total number of health workers in the country country? Given we now have 50000 cases it would be interesting to see what other jobs were the most at risk. I heard INMO say 50 nurses got covid in 2 week period, my guess is 50 teachers may also have gotten covid in a 2 week period given there have been almost 1000 cases in schools.


  • #3004
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,050 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Ah yea sure tell the Principals on Thurs evening(who are exhausted after a difficult first term)+ have them restock everything with products they don't currently have by Monday.

    Is a fairy going to come in + deliver all the stuff over the weekend.

    Its a **** show now.

    Do they have any idea whatsoever how long it takes to clean out + refill all of the holders that a large secondary school would have?

    An absolute joke.


  • #3005
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    jrosen wrote: »
    The risk to teachers is not higher than the rest of society. Its statements like that irk people.

    The risk to teachers is not higher than a work from home office worker who gets all their stuff delivered and never leaves the house unless they wish to? OK sure....


  • #3006
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Yes that's it, we just dislike a whole cohort of people that we've never met.

    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are unnecessary and unreasonable in light of a global pandemic and on the edge of the impending recession, when their risk at work is lower than that of the rest of society. Plus, the tactic of circling the wagons around anyone who doesn't agree with their (frankly, uneducated) viewpoints and selective browsing of research doesn't really lend itself to gathering support.

    Oh great now we're at lower risk. Delighted.


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  • #3007
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    The risk to teachers is not higher than a work from home office worker who gets all their stuff delivered and never leaves the house unless they wish to? OK sure....

    Never said that, in fact I posted the opposite but dont let that get in the way.


  • #3008
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Of course not - the constant harping about 'risk' is nothing more than a cynical, quasi-justification for a money-grab of taxpayers funds at a time when we are borrowing more than a billion a month.

    Shame on teachers!

    The taxpayers funds are funding covid payments , teachers have always been paid through taxation unless you want all schools to become private?


  • #3009
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    jrosen wrote: »
    Never said that, in fact I posted the opposite but dont let that get in the way.

    Did I not reply to a direct quote from you? I'm confused?


  • #3010
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    jrosen wrote: »
    The only ones working where the risk is lower are those afforded the ability to work from home. Which is not representative of the majority of employees.

    Ill edit to add, that right now yes there are people at home because we are at level 5. But prior to level 5 many thousands of people were working in indoor settings, working in close proximity to others.

    You can see here.


  • #3011
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    jrosen wrote: »
    You can see here.

    And I suppose the level of contact with people, time spent, numbers, distance from those people, whether they wear masks, also impact risk? Correct?


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  • #3012
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    And I suppose the level of contact with people, time spent, numbers, distance from those people, whether they wear masks, also impact risk? Correct?

    How can it irk you that teachers are therefore at way more risk? You should be happy you're not one. Children also are but their outcome with covid will be less severe than a 40 year old teacher.


  • #3013
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    appledrop wrote: »
    Ah yea sure tell the Principals on Thurs evening(who are exhausted after a difficult first term)+ have them restock everything with products they don't currently have by Monday.

    Is a fairy going to come in + deliver all the stuff over the weekend.

    Its a **** show now.

    Do they have any idea whatsoever how long it takes to clean out + refill all of the holders that a large secondary school would have?

    An absolute joke.

    Seriously. I feel sorry for principals. Their break is now well and truly over, if indeed they ever had much of one.

    Going to email ours and see if we're affected. Doubt my kids are going back Monday anyway but now if the school doesn't source santiser in time that's a h no.


  • #3014
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    So in the majority of wards you are as likely to come across covid as you are in many other lines of work. This doesn't mean that that percentage isn't real but let's remember there are a tonne of health workers in the country and I'm pretty sure plenty of other professions have also gotten covid 19 in work. So yes working on a ward with covid patients is extremely risky. If you're working with the general public then most likely you are more protected in a hospital with full ppe than a creche worker is. Its not a Pitting jobs against each other comment, those people who got covid in work deserve better conditions, but not ever nurse or doctor does the same type of work. What is the total number of health workers in the country country? Given we now have 50000 cases it would be interesting to see what other jobs were the most at risk. I heard INMO say 50 nurses got covid in 2 week period, my guess is 50 teachers may also have gotten covid in a 2 week period given there have been almost 1000 cases in schools.

    Thanks for the nonsensical ramble full of conjecture.

    Again, what are you basing comments like 'So in the majority of wards you are as likely to come across covid as you are in many other lines of work'

    I don't think you understood the comment you're replying to.


  • #3015
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    I have a better suggestion. Give teachers pay restoration. Then more of them could afford cars and they would be able to sit safely in the car park having their lunch.

    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.


  • #3016
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Seriously. I feel sorry for principals. Their break is now well and truly over, if indeed they ever had much of one.

    Going to email ours and see if we're affected. Doubt my kids are going back Monday anyway but now if the school doesn't source santiser in time that's a h no.

    I know a principal who had to deal with contact tracing on Saturday, nothing Sunday, more cases plus contact tracing on Monday, Tuesday Wednesday and then this email today. He has had one day off.

    The big bucks sure make it all worth while!!!


  • #3017
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    How can it irk you that teachers are therefore at way more risk? You should be happy you're not one. Children also are but their outcome with covid will be less severe than a 40 year old teacher.

    Again I never said I was irked by anything.

    I dont dispute there is risk, I simply dispute this idea that teachers are carrying more risk than the rest of society.


  • #3018
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.

    Who exactly are you?


  • #3019
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.

    Okay government lackey.


  • #3020
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    jrosen wrote: »
    Again I never said I was irked by anything.

    I dont dispute there is risk, I simply dispute this idea that teachers are carrying more risk than the rest of society.

    OK so rest of society is work from home people and retail and pub staff who are now at home? I don't get it, we clearly are more at risk than plenty of jobs.


  • #3021
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    jrosen wrote: »
    Again I never said I was irked by anything.

    I dont dispute there is risk, I simply dispute this idea that teachers are carrying more risk than the rest of society.

    Are the rest of society sitting in poorly ventilated rooms with up to 30 others with absolutely no social distancing for hours on end?

    Hint : the answer is no.


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  • #3022
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    Thanks for the nonsensical ramble full of conjecture.

    Again, what are you basing comments like 'So in the majority of wards you are as likely to come across covid as you are in many other lines of work'

    I don't think you understood the comment you're replying to.

    I understood just fine. Some health care workers are at risk and some are not.


  • #3023
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.

    :rolleyes: That face you make whenever MelbourneMan pops up again like a bad smell...


  • #3024
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.

    Let me say this, the Department were never going to address the pay equality issue in this context. Not breaking news.

    What is their opinion on their own ineptitide seeing as you apparently have some sort of insight?


  • #3025
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.

    Let me say this thread has been quite clear, we care not for what you say, man pretending to be the minister for education and skills. Go find a hobby like reading the Australian equivalent of boards and see how their lockdowns went and what measures they took..


  • #3026
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    17 types of hand sanitisers have been removed from the approved list, along with five types of hand sanitiser refills.

    Eight types of hand soap, eight detergents and 14 types of wipes have also been removed from the list.

    Just going to quote the back to school "plan" again.

    It really is the gift that keeps on giving.
    Are you aware that cleaning is best achieved using a general purpose detergent and warm water, clean cloths, mops and the mechanical action of wiping and cleaning, following by rinsing and drying?


  • #3027
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Boggles wrote: »
    Just going to quote the back to school "plan" again.

    It really is the gift that keeps on giving.

    I forgot about the mechanical action!!!! I should really root out that guide and go through it all again. Where is that bloke who used to post chunks when need him.


  • #3028
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    The mechanical action always gets me. We never did get the hour long webinar showing us this!!!


  • #3029
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    I forgot about the mechanical action!!!! I should really root out that guide and go through it all again. Where is that bloke who used to post chunks when need him.

    Ahh the cut and paste dude that run outta here by the mods.


  • #3030
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Let me say that the Department has been quite clear on this point - teachers will not be allowed to leverage the corona crisis to increase pay.

    Are you Hubert Loftus in disguise?
    Having wasted valuable funding on 53 products that they have now recalled they are not in a position of strength. Unfortunately the DES have a history of squandering money.


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  • #3031
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    A summary of evidence on schools transmissions.

    Despite fears, COVID-19 infections did not surge when schools and day-care centres reopened after pandemic lockdowns eased. And when outbreaks do occur, they mostly result in only a small number of people becoming ill.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02973-3


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