Schools closed until February? (part 3)

8k71ps wrote: »

Ah yes, because a medical worker working during a pandemic and a teacher who never signed up to work in disease ridden conditions are exactly the same thing

Whose fault is it that there are 'disease ridden conditions?'

I found it suspicious that we weren't told the breakdown of cases between teachers and pupils.
Reason being that it transpires the level of Covid among staff is a multiple of that among pupils. Why is that?

facehugger99 wrote: »

Months off on full pay and now threatening to strike after a few weeks back?

I almost hope they go ahead with this.

They'll be on for some shock at the public reaction to such a tone-deaf move.

Teachers should be ashamed of their union - and of themselves if they support this.

I don't give a **** about public reaction. I care about having a safe environment for myself, my colleagues and the young people we teach.

Why only secondary schools and not primary?

Smacruairi wrote: »

What do you mean

Agreed to strike action.

Sorry only catching up.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Agreed to strike action.

Sorry only catching up.

ASTI only represent secondary teachers (along with the TUI), the INTO is the union for primary.

INTO are a shambles, if ASTI had a primary wing I'd join like a shot...but that's beside the point.

mvl wrote: »

Public reaction, or parents reaction ?

as a parent, I would defo support a strike at this stage: government needs to invest serious money in schools to get them to be safe; you know, upgrading the ventilation across the board !

Ditto.

Anne1984 wrote: »

So you are saying there is no way a teacher can be assigned a classroom to eat lunch in? Say the classroom they had their last lesson in before lunch? Or for those not teaching that lesson any empty classroom or spaced out distanced in the staff room? It’s not that difficult.

If by saying how would that work you are implying teachers are still all eating in the staff room together then that is madness and no wonder cases in schools are going up.

I love how you are going out of your way to ignore various answers to your attempt to blame teachers for getting covid alerts. Would you blame HCWs if the same occured?

Also interesting the latest update to the covid tracker
https://twitter.com/DrMaireadDB/status/1321438575448252416

If there is nothing to hide why encourage the turning off of the tracker in healthcare and educational settings.

Anne1984 wrote: »

So you are saying there is no way a teacher can be assigned a classroom to eat lunch in? Say the classroom they had their last lesson in before lunch? Or for those not teaching that lesson any empty classroom or spaced out distanced in the staff room? It’s not that difficult.

If by saying how would that work you are implying teachers are still all eating in the staff room together then that is madness and no wonder cases in schools are going up.

So instead of eating in a non-socially distanced staffroom of 30 other adults we should eat in a classroom of 30 non-socially distanced teenagers? Got it.

Empty classrooms??? Schools are literally using corridors, pe halls as classrooms as there is not enough room for the number of classes.

Just admit you have no clue about the way schools are now and stop giving useless advice. It's not that difficult.

alroley wrote: »

So instead of eating in a non-socially distanced staffroom of 30 other adults we should eat in a classroom of 30 non-socially distanced teenagers? Got it.

Empty classrooms??? Schools are literally using corridors, pe halls as classrooms as there is not enough room for the number of classes.

Just admit you have no clue about the way schools are now and stop giving useless advice. It's not that difficult.

So what you are saying is teachers are all eating together in the staff room as there is nowhere else for them to go? This is ridiculous and would explain why my local secondary school had to close as the teachers were all close contacts to each other. Surely basic common sense is that you don’t sit a huge number of adults in the same enclosed space. Children are not supposed to be as contagious and as you have already spent time with those students in the classroom it makes more sense to stay with them then to mix with every other teacher in the school.

And no I hadn’t heard that students were staying inside in their classrooms during their breaks.

Anne1984 wrote: »

So what you are saying is teachers are all eating together in the staff room as there is nowhere else for them to go? This is ridiculous and would explain why my local secondary school had to close as the teachers were all close contacts to each other. Surely basic common sense is that you don’t sit a huge number of adults in the same enclosed space. Children are not supposed to be as contagious and as you have already spent time with those students in the classroom it makes more sense to stay with them then to mix with every other teacher in the school.

And no I hadn’t heard that students were staying inside in their classrooms during their breaks.

All teachers not together in staffroom in our place. Only 16 can be in at one time. Everyone else either supervising students/eating in cars/eating outside. Every teacher would not be in staffroom at same time. And I'd imagine there is no school in the country where they are, if for no other reason, a certain amount will be on supervision duty each breaktime.

blanch152 wrote: »

All schools and teachers were told by the Department to socially distance from each other at lunchtime.

Any case where a whole school is closing will be more down to the failure of teachers to respect social distancing from each other than to children transmitting the disease.

Schools were told to enforce social distancing "where possible". Which is what is happening.

Proof for your statement re schools closing?

blanch152 wrote: »

All schools and teachers were told by the Department to socially distance from each other at lunchtime.

Any case where a whole school is closing will be more down to the failure of teachers to respect social distancing from each other than to children transmitting the disease.

oh ffs :rolleyes::mad:

SusanC10 wrote: »

Why are people still going on about months off on full pay ?
I only have experience of 2 Schools directly and 2 other schools through friends/family.
Our Secondary in particular did very well. And the School was not one which was using iPads etc pre-March. No way could anyone say that the Teachers were not working.
The others were certainly working too.

I am not a Teacher.

People trying very hard to be edgy, to be popular and also jump on the bandwagon. It really is boring what people think of educators at this stage. People who think this way are part of a herd who cannot think for themselves.

khalessi wrote: »

I love how you are going out of your way to ignore various answers to your attempt to blame teachers for getting covid alerts. Would you blame HCWs if the same occured?

Also interesting the latest update to the covid tracker
https://twitter.com/DrMaireadDB/status/1321438575448252416

If there is nothing to hide why encourage the turning off of the tracker in healthcare and educational settings.

pausing the app would be essential for situations like locker rooms where employees all store their phones together while they work. various manufacturing environments where phones are not allowed. or basically anytime you leave your phone unattended.