Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Jimson · 28-10-2020 02:11AM

nacho libre wrote: »

The vulnerable will be the first to get any potential vaccine early next year, it could take six months to complete this. It will be 2022 before the rest of us get it. However once the vulnerable have hopefully been given immunity, life should slowly start returning to normal, as the need for lockdowns will diminish.
It's quite likely though that covid 19 will be like others covid viruses and require seasonal vaccines.

If you think theres going to be approved vaccine by the start of next year and all the vulnerable will have it in six months your in cloud cuckoo land.

quokula · 28-10-2020 02:23AM

GT89 wrote: »

This what is actually happening with covid. You are a slave and need to free yourself.
https://youtu.be/mSwYs6zB6TI

Thanks for the insight into the kind of media that complete idiots consume.

That guy's back catalog of videos is like a full bingo card of far right conspiracy theorist nutjob topics, featuring an absolute obsession with fighting the American culture wars, denying climate change, railing against feminism, accompanied by local issues like pro-Irexit videos and anti-repeal the 8th rants.

GT89 · 28-10-2020 02:23AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

But some would be forced to do some things, they would be forced to withdraw from significant aspects of living in society as a direct result of your actions, I've suggested an alternative to your making it impossible for people with known risk situations to participate in society in a reasonable manner.

Maybe it is the mark of the beast, but if it is, it will be because you have chosen to act like a beast, and that attitude has been pretty clear from your posts over quite a while.

I'm just not prepared to sit back and be intimidated by it any longer. I am saying very clearly that I have as much right to participate in society as you do, and if Covid is making that more dangerous, a reasonable society should do whatever is necessary to make sure that ALL the members of that society are not put at risk by the irresponsible actions of a minority.

If you drink and drive, and are caught doing so, you will forfeit the ability to drive for a period. If you move around the place potentially putting others at risk by not taking the precautions that are being required, then it is absolutely reasonable that sanction should be applied to you.

OK, here's another option. If you are caught breaking the rules, then you have to wear a bluetooth bracelet that sends out a signal to phones around you that sounds an alarm on those phones to warn people of a risk situation, so that they can take appropriate actions. Same rules otherwise about access to places like supermarkets, public transport, and yes, maybe even pubs if they are deemed safe to reopen to people who obey the rules.

That's not a visible mark of the beast, if that's the way you want to see it, but if might make it pretty hard for you to participate in society, but that might mean that others can still do so.

Under my scenario no one would be forced to do anything. Under my scenario there is no dye, no bluetooth bracelets, no mark of the beast. In my scenario no one would be taking away anyone's right to do anything other than themselves. In my scenario there is no bluetooth bracelets.

Sure thing you can wear a bluetooth bracelet if you so wish I have no problem that, I have no problem with anyone choosing to wear a mask either that's their choice. You basically want rid of the choice sounds like you want communism to me even if you don't have pictures of Stalin and Mao on your walls.

There is a difference between drink driving and covid. With drink driving everyone who uses the public highway is put at risk by thise drink driving with covid only those with under lying conditions are put at risk. It's like banning peanuts because some are allergic

Renjit · 28-10-2020 02:23AM

GT89 wrote: »

This what is actually happening with covid. You are a slave and need to free yourself.
https://youtu.be/mSwYs6zB6TI

Great Scott :pac:

nacho libre · 28-10-2020 02:25AM

Jimson wrote: »

If you think theres going to be approved vaccine by the start of next year and all the vulnerable will have it in six months your in cloud cuckoo land.

There is a reasonable chance of a vaccine being ready to go by February. The timeline for the completion of its rollout to the vulnerable maybe a bit too optimistic, we'll see.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-10-2020 02:30AM

Now being reported that France is considering a one month national lock down.

Meanwhile Angela Merkel says Germany's health system faces being overwhelmed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/28/coronavirus-live-news-intensive-care-units-in-france-could-reach-extreme-saturation-in-two-weeks

Meanwhile deaths are increasing in the United States along with record case surge. 1,040 so far for yesterday.

Irish Steve · 28-10-2020 02:40AM

GT89 wrote: »

There is a difference between drink driving and covid. With drink driving everyone who uses the public highway is put at risk by thise drink driving with covid only those with under lying conditions are put at risk. It's like banning peanuts because some are allergic

And that is where your argument fails. Covid IS affecting people with no underlying conditions, and the long term effects are still very much unknown. To use your analagy, the governement are not banning peanuts, they're saying you can't eat them in some places until we work out why others are affected by them in specific limited situations.

I'm not imposing communism or anything like it on you, if you think I am, then you are even more delusional that I thought you are, but what you have done is clearly demonstrated is that you are not prepared to accept that the people managing our democratic system are worth following, and effectively you are trying to impose your delusional anarchy on me.

Fortunately, I still have a choice, and I choose not to accept or follow your fallacious deception.

virginmediapls · 28-10-2020 02:44AM

GT89 wrote: »

This what is actually happening with covid. You are a slave and need to free yourself.
https://youtu.be/mSwYs6zB6TI

I really, really thought that was satire - but it isn't is it?

It's just...oh god, this crap is why we're all inside and there's debates about mask usage.

I hate this world.

GT89 · 28-10-2020 02:50AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

And that is where your argument fails. Covid IS affecting people with no underlying conditions, and the long term effects are still very much unknown. To use your analagy, the governement are not banning peanuts, they're saying you can't eat them in some places until we work out why others are affected by them in specific limited situations.

I'm not imposing communism or anything like it on you, if you think I am, then you are even more delusional that I thought you are, but what you have done is clearly demonstrated is that you are not prepared to accept that the people managing our democratic system are worth following, and effectively you are trying to impose your delusional anarchy on me.

Fortunately, I still have a choice, and I choose not to accept or follow your fallacious deception.

I'm not trying to impose my view on anyone. I am stating my opinion but I genuinely do feel that others are imposing their opinion on me.

You say we are living in a democracy but I don't remember voting in a referendum regarding these measures.

Micky 32 · 28-10-2020 02:58AM

El Sueño wrote: »

Mind if I ask where you're getting that from?

Out of a butthole my guess would be.

ShooterSF · 28-10-2020 03:05AM

GT89 wrote: »

I'm not trying to impose my view on anyone. I am stating my opinion but I genuinely do feel that others are imposing their opinion on me.

You say we are living in a democracy but I don't remember voting in a referendum regarding these measures.

We live in a constitutional democracy not a direct democracy. Asking people to vote directly on every issue would grind the nation to a halt along with other problems.

GT89 · 28-10-2020 03:08AM

ShooterSF wrote: »

We live in a constitutional democracy not a direct democracy. Asking people to vote directly on every issue would grind the nation to a halt along with other problems.

Ok but this is such a major issue that there should really be a referendum held as to what measures are taken. These measures affect all our lives and people should have a say.

Christy42 · 28-10-2020 03:21AM

GT89 wrote: »

Ok but this is such a major issue that there should really be a referendum held as to what measures are taken. These measures affect all our lives and people should have a say.

Referendums take a while to organise. This is an incredibly fast moving situation. Hey let's allow a disease to run rampant for a few weeks before we decide to do anything. Then pack loads of people into count centers to be sure everyone gets it. Then we decide the result. It makes no sense in a situation like this we're things could change massively on a day to day basis.

We elect people to take decisions on fast moving situations and to be able to weigh up talk from experts from different fields on the same issues.

How much time do you spend looking up epidemiology, the factors related to the pub trade and how those people get by without payments, retail, restaurants, nursing homes etc. etc. Politicians are getting daily briefings on these things and are given the time to study them (the fact that they don't always manage it does not take away from the fact that they are best positioned to do so).

Risteard81 · 28-10-2020 03:55AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Referendums take a while to organise. This is an incredibly fast moving situation. Hey let's allow a disease to run rampant for a few weeks before we decide to do anything. Then pack loads of people into count centers to be sure everyone gets it. Then we decide the result. It makes no sense in a situation like this we're things could change massively on a day to day basis.

We elect people to take decisions on fast moving situations and to be able to weigh up talk from experts from different fields on the same issues.

How much time do you spend looking up epidemiology, the factors related to the pub trade and how those people get by without payments, retail, restaurants, nursing homes etc. etc. Politicians are getting daily briefings on these things and are given the time to study them (the fact that they don't always manage it does not take away from the fact that they are best positioned to do so).

We did not vote for anyone to issue edicts and rule by decree. We oppose monarchy.

Goldengirl · 28-10-2020 04:23AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Those predictions were made for the scenario if we continued at level 2. *sigh*

The fact is that we would be in the last week of level 5 restrictions now, if we went with the NPHET guidelines of Oct 4th.

But the politicians (who have just finished chapter 2 of the ladybird Book of Epidemiology) waited 2 weeks for the cases to double before going with the science.

Lol, great post Rob , made me laugh

Arghus · 28-10-2020 05:06AM

GT89 wrote: »

Ok but this is such a major issue that there should really be a referendum held as to what measures are taken. These measures affect all our lives and people should have a say.

What you are talking about is ludicrous in the current circumstances.

Referendums take time to organise and take place and require lots of people voting indoors - far from ideal with a highly transmissible virus in circulation. This is a fast moving situation, where if things need to be done, they need to be done quickly - you can't put everything on hold for weeks and months for potentially countless ballots.

Widdensushi · 28-10-2020 06:20AM

GT89 wrote: »

Ok but this is such a major issue that there should really be a referendum held as to what measures are taken. These measures affect all our lives and people should have a say.

We should all be issued with the electronic voters for the Dail, it would be great for the tds also wfh rather than having to get someone else to press theirs to pretend they bothered attending.

Benimar · 28-10-2020 08:47AM

I can’t believe what I’m reading here. A referendum on restrictions? Sure, let’s leave the virus rip for the 6-8 weeks it would take to organise, then make sure everyone has to go into a crowded building to vote. Yeah, great idea :rolleyes:

What next? We have a weekly poll where you can text in your vote? It’s a Global Pandemic, not the fcuking X-Factor!

We had a vote. It was on February 8th. We elect a government and they make decisions on our behalf. Some I agree with, some I don’t, but that’s how democracy works.

pjohnson · 28-10-2020 08:55AM

At one point the relaxation thread was complaining about Doctors being unelected to the role so make sense that they now want referendums to control a pandemic :pac:

Boggles · 28-10-2020 09:21AM

GT89 wrote: »

In my scenario no one would be taking away anyone's right to do anything other than themselves. In my scenario there is no bluetooth bracelets.

Didn't you spend most of yesterday going absolutely apocalyptic at a nurse in a tik tok video?

TonyMaloney · 28-10-2020 09:26AM

Benimar wrote: »

I can’t believe what I’m reading here. A referendum on restrictions? Sure, let’s leave the virus rip for the 6-8 weeks it would take to organise, then make sure everyone has to go into a crowded building to vote. Yeah, great idea :rolleyes:

What next? We have a weekly poll where you can text in your vote? It’s a Global Pandemic, not the fcuking X-Factor!

We had a vote. It was on February 8th. We elect a government and they make decisions on our behalf. Some I agree with, some I don’t, but that’s how democracy works.

What would the referendum question even be - Pick a level?

Perhaps we're not thinking out of the box. What if we were to simply add every Irish man and woman to the NPHET team?

kittensmittens · 28-10-2020 09:40AM

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

Deshawn · 28-10-2020 09:42AM

kittensmittens wrote: »

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

Overall Ireland has the second worst health system in Europe.

wellwhynot · 28-10-2020 09:46AM

kittensmittens wrote: »

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

90,000 waiting for Cervical screening also but Covid only matters. The Who published a report two weeks ago stating average Covid death rate for under 70’s is 0.05%. Covid kills the very sick and the very old. Median age 83. Lack of cancer screening will kill the young.

Russman · 28-10-2020 09:46AM

kittensmittens wrote: »

There is now a 3 YEAR BACKLOG in breast cancer screening. It only reopened yesterday.

There are 153 THOUSAND women affected by this. Have a wee read of that number again. 153 THOUSAND. And you can bet your bottom dollar, within that figure there will be deaths due to late detection and treatment due to covid taking precedent.

But hey, I'm sure that when those women are dying and leaving husbands, children and families behind for what may have been avoidable if they had of been treated, that they will die knowing they "held firm".

And your solution ?

Deshawn · 28-10-2020 09:48AM

Russman wrote: »

And your solution ?

He doesn't have to have a solution.

fits · 28-10-2020 09:50AM

People with lumps or with family histories of breast cancer are still being seen. It’s just the screening that’s affected.

lawred2 · 28-10-2020 09:51AM

Russman wrote: »

And your solution ?

Don't run down essential services for a start ffs

Hardly a no brainer

kittensmittens · 28-10-2020 09:51AM

Russman wrote: »

And your solution ?

My solution?

Not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Covid is an illness. One claiming very few lives. Between the breast cancer backlog and the cervical cancer screening backlog, thats an awful lot of women going through painful testing, heartbreaking worry, horrible painful treatments and surgeries. But its not up to mere mortals like me to offer solutions(nor by the tone of your 2 word post to indeed even question these figures)
Nope its up to the likes of Dr Tony Holohan..........oh wait

wellwhynot · 28-10-2020 09:52AM

Russman wrote: »

And your solution ?

Publish Covid positive swab versus Covid with symptoms patients, particularly in the hospitals. A nurse said most of the Covid positive patients in her ICU were young men who attempted suicide. Protect the elderly more. Take over hotels and move Covid positive cases there. We still have 45% acquiring Covid in hospitals.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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