General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

eigrod · 26-10-2020 12:01PM

Gary Lineker & Miguel Delaney having a bit of a disagreement on Sterling on Twitter

https://twitter.com/garylineker/status/1320687657396150272?s=21

https://twitter.com/migueldelaney/status/1320697006722031620?s=21

26-10-2020 12:31PM

eigrod wrote: »

Gary Lineker & Miguel Delaney having a bit of a disagreement on Sterling on Twitter

https://twitter.com/garylineker/status/1320687657396150272?s=21

https://twitter.com/migueldelaney/status/1320697006722031620?s=21

By all accounts, once the cameras stop rolling Gary Linekar is horrific. Have heard some very ugly first hand accounts. And he's treated like a saint.

Shanotheslayer · 26-10-2020 12:34PM

I don't get what's wrong with the article? Just that it headlined Sterling?

gimli2112 · 26-10-2020 12:35PM

funny but I always associate Linekar with Everton but he only played about 40 times for them

eigrod · 26-10-2020 12:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

By all accounts, once the cameras stop rolling Gary Linekar is horrific. Have heard some very ugly first hand accounts. And he's treated like a saint.

I never minded him too much but I can’t understand his position there - are journalists only meant to write positive things about footballers, or maybe just when it’s English footballers? I know Sterling has got a hard time from the tabloid journalists, but that’s not Delaney’s fault and should not preclude him from writing about him.

26-10-2020 12:40PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't get what's wrong with the article? Just that it headlined Sterling?

It's a positively harmless article. In fact it's almost self evident. Linekar is completely playing the man, there is no attempt to analyse the points.

Francie Barrett · 26-10-2020 12:44PM

eigrod wrote: »

Gary Lineker & Miguel Delaney having a bit of a disagreement on Sterling on Twitter

Miguel Delaney really doesn't have a clue. Aguero only started his first game of the season against West Ham before going off injured at half time. Gabriel Jesus has only played one game this season and wasn't available. With those two out, Sterling has been playing out of position in the role Jesus or Aguero would typically occupy. Surely anyone with a brain can see the reason City look blunt is because they are playing without a recognised centre forward.

~Rebel~ · 26-10-2020 12:46PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't get what's wrong with the article? Just that it headlined Sterling?

Yeah, seemed a simple enough point, and even if someone disagrees it’s hardly worth that sort of reaction. Like, any problem I’d have with it is that it doesn’t do more and expand further... feels like a simple comment you might see anyone post on here in 30 words stretched out to a full article.

The other aspect Miguel raises is interesting though... people with a lot of followers should be very careful about posting negatively. If even just half a percent of Linekar’s followers are the sort to jump on a bit of outrage from their hero, that’s still thousands of comments going his way.

That scale, and the immediacy of the platform where everyone can reply instantly without hassle, are things that are still not really appreciated by these celebs. (Except when it comes to how much they can charge a brand for a mention).

Guy:Incognito · 26-10-2020 12:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a positively harmless article. In fact it's almost self evident. Linekar is completely playing the man, there is no attempt to analyse the points.

City are top of the table since lockdown. ( As in a table from the start of project restart till now)

26-10-2020 12:58PM

Delaney's a terrible journalist

~Rebel~ · 26-10-2020 01:02PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Miguel Delaney really doesn't have a clue. Aguero only started his first game of the season against West Ham before going off injured at half time. Gabriel Jesus has only played one game this season and wasn't available. With those two out, Sterling has been playing out of position in the role Jesus or Aguero would typically occupy. Surely anyone with a brain can see the reason City look blunt is because they are playing without a recognised centre forward.

I think he does actually recognise that in the article... his broader point is that a myriad of factors are affecting them right now, and Sterling is like a one-man mirror held up to the cumulative effect. Amongst other reasons, he brings up a failing in player recruitment, which ties in with your point - how can a club that rich have only 2 forwards, especially when one is in his 30’s and increasingly injury prone. This shows itself in a less effective Sterling who is ten times the player when surrounded by good players. As Miguel says, in a functioning team he’s like a multipliar.

Where you’re commenting on the focused-in specific reason, I think Miguel is taking a step back and pointing out that those situations were avoidable, and are symptoms and signs of larger failings. Sterling shouldn’t have to fill in at CF. That midfield should be more dangerous and creative even without De Bruyne (who again is injury prone and will always miss games).

gimli2112 · 26-10-2020 02:08PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

City are top of the table since lockdown. ( As in a table from the start of project restart till now)

we've enough alternative tables, thank you very much

Guy:Incognito · 26-10-2020 02:13PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

we've enough alternative tables, thank you very much

There's 19 other teams that would like to be as "out of kilter" as city over the last 15 games.

If they continue this out of kilter run for the next 15 games and the 15 after that, they'll be champions.

~Rebel~ · 26-10-2020 02:54PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

There's 19 other teams that would like to be as "out of kilter" as city over the last 15 games.

If they continue this out of kilter run for the next 15 games and the 15 after that, they'll be champions.

That tends not to be how trends work unfortunately though. Particularly when the high form point was 3 months ago, and the slope has been downwards since.

When you have a high point (7 wins in 10), followed by a continuing low point (2 wins in 5), of course the questions will relate to why that is, and if they can find the early-sample form again.

<edit> The other interesting thing to look at is goals. In those first 10 games (which, again took place over 3 months ago during the last season), they scored 26 goals and conceded 5. In the 5 games this season, they've scored 8 and conceded 8.

Fairly remarkable turnaround. Describing them as out-of-kilter at the moment seems accurate.

26-10-2020 03:42PM

City have had the toughest opening schedule of probably anyone comparing them Games to another random 5 games is.pretty meaningless.

Also injuries and a bit of bad luck have gone against them.

They will be back giving out hidings soon enough. Especially when there fixtures turn

~Rebel~ · 26-10-2020 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

City have had the toughest opening schedule of probably anyone comparing them Games to another random 5 games is.pretty meaningless.

Also injuries and a bit of bad luck have gone against them.

Is that not part of the point though? That they have a few players they can expect to spend large chunks of the season injured, but haven't really mitigated against that. You know De Bruyne is going to miss games. You know Aguero is going to miss games. You know Fernandinho is going to miss games. But they've still left themselves hugely reliant on those lads (at CF especially, which i find baffling), and it's no surprise that City's blips come when they're missing.

As for their schedule, were those 5 games really that tough? Dropped points to West Ham, Leeds, and Leicester... like, they're not piss easy fixtures, but they've not exactly been asked to run a gauntlet... I'd actually say those 5 games are very representative of a random selection of 5. A promoted side, a side that just escaped relegation, and then sides that finished 8th, 7th, and 5th.
Plenty of teams had equal or tougher fixtures.

They will be back giving out hidings soon enough. Especially when there fixtures turn

They definitely will, and I think they'll always be capable of smashing a team on their day but likely with patches of struggling games in between where they draw 1-1.

I mean, it all seems harsh, since they're being judged against their own incredibly high standards... but against those standards, they've been well off.

26-10-2020 04:11PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Is that not part of the point though? That they have a few players they can expect to spend large chunks of the season injured, but haven't really mitigated against that. You know De Bruyne is going to miss games. You know Aguero is going to miss games. You know Fernandinho is going to miss games. But they've still left themselves hugely reliant on those lads (at CF especially, which i find baffling), and it's no surprise that City's blips come when they're missing.

As for their schedule, were those 5 games really that tough? Dropped points to West Ham, Leeds, and Leicester... like, they're not piss easy fixtures, but they've not exactly been asked to run a gauntlet... I'd actually say those 5 games are very representative of a random selection of 5. A promoted side, a side that just escaped relegation, and then sides that finished 8th, 7th, and 5th.
Plenty of teams had equal or tougher fixtures.

They definitely will, and I think they'll always be capable of smashing a team on their day but likely with patches of struggling games in between where they draw 1-1.

I mean, it all seems harsh, since they're being judged against their own incredibly high standards... but against those standards, they've been well off.

It's definitely been a failure of pep no doubt he hasn't been able to bring in any players it seems that have made much of an impact.

All The main best players he had were already at the club for the most part.

The fixtures aren't crazy hard but.if you compare it against anyone else's they are probably the hardest.

And when yiu are talking about goals score and conceded it's not just the drop Points games even though they did very well Against wolves.

Maybe peak city just ran very hot and that's unsustainable in the long run for any club.

ArmaniJeanss · 26-10-2020 04:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

City have had the toughest opening schedule of probably anyone comparing them Games to another random 5 games is.pretty meaningless.

West Ham had Newcastle, Arsenal (A), Wolves, Leicester(A), Spurs (A), Man City as their first 6 games, so I think they nail the 'toughest opening schedule' honours. Quite a lot of shared opponents with City, and with 8 points from 6 have had a similar return.
And off to Anfield next for the Hammers.

eigrod · 26-10-2020 04:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

City have had the toughest opening schedule of probably anyone...

They haven’t. West Ham have, followed by probably Liverpool (who have played 3 of the 4 other teams currently in the top 5 + Chelsea (a) and Arsenal (h).

Edit : Having said that, it’s not always about the ‘name’ of the team you’ve played- I would have had Aston Villa (a) as a handy enough fixture for Liverpool, and look how that turned out. Far too early to be finding any trends for any team.

ERG89 · 26-10-2020 06:14PM

Can someone put West Brom and Fulham out of their misery. It feels nearly cruel to ask them to play 32 more games now.

Agent Coulson · 26-10-2020 06:16PM

Hard to see past Burnley, Fulham & West Brom going down even after only a handful of games.

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 06:17PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hard to see past Burnley, Fulham & West Brom going down even after only a handful of games.

I could easily see Dyche somehow getting Burnley to safety. But the other two have very little hope and have been out of their depth from the start.

26-10-2020 06:32PM

eigrod wrote: »

They haven’t. West Ham have, followed by probably Liverpool (who have played 3 of the 4 other teams currently in the top 5 + Chelsea (a) and Arsenal (h).

Edit : Having said that, it’s not always about the ‘name’ of the team you’ve played- I would have had Aston Villa (a) as a handy enough fixture for Liverpool, and look how that turned out. Far too early to be finding any trends for any team.

Wasn't looking for trends just pointing out city had one of the tougher opening fixtures and would be a contributing factor the poor start.

How many games do you wait untill you allow. People to. Discuss opposition. Quality?

You either use the info with sample size. You have,
.

Also you contradict yourself saying west ham had worse fixtures and then not to use namesto decide difficulty which is it?

Bridge93 · 26-10-2020 08:35PM

Burnley are absolutely toxic to watch. How Ben Davies gets a game at a ‘Big 6’ club is a mystery to me

Lucas Hood · 26-10-2020 08:37PM

Anyone in the middle east ?

Who is commentating with Martin Tyler on Bein sport.?

Must be Danny Higginbotham.

Agent Coulson · 26-10-2020 08:43PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Anyone in the middle east ?

Who is commentating with Martin Tyler on Bein sport.?

It's the premier league worldwide feed I'm listening to them in America and it's Danny Higginbotham

This is it · 26-10-2020 08:55PM

Globetrotters on boards, I'm not even sure where I'm watching it.

This is it · 26-10-2020 09:36PM

Son pops up with a decent finish

Shanotheslayer · 26-10-2020 09:38PM

When did Kane turn into KDB?

Some amount of assists. 8 already.

26-10-2020 09:55PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Burnley are absolutely toxic to watch. How Ben Davies gets a game at a ‘Big 6’ club is a mystery to me

When you think of the American consortium looking to buy Burnley and you want to ring them and say "Why? Have you SEEN the football? Have you SEEN the city".

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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