Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Irish Steve · 24-10-2020 11:18PM

robbiezero wrote: »

How come the exact same thing that is happening here in terms of cases is happening all over Europe?
Did they have a lot of county finals in the Autumn too?

Probably because Europe was even more relaxed about things like bars, restaurants and the like than was the case here. Europe is going down the same sort of road now.

Meath had more cases than Dublin on one day this week, and that ties in exactly with the timing of the GAA activities, and the resultant spread was helped by an influx of drinkers from Dublin who came out to Ashbourne when Level 3 closed their normal drinking holes.

One pub had to close as a result of the staff all testing positive, and the landlord and his family also got it, and it also spread to other pubs from that cluster.

The fact that the tracing system doesn't go back far enough to find out who was in which pub when is not helping, we ALL need to cop on to the simple fact that the spread of Covid has been significantly helped by inappropriate activities by GAA clubs, and in some pubs.

We don't like it because it hits a tender nerve at the core of Irish culture. Covid doesn't care about culture or anything else, the sooner we recognise that and deal with the consequences for "social life", the better we will get Covid back under a level of control that we can live with.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-10-2020 11:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Very valid question.

From what I have read people will still die from Covid with the vaccine.

We just need to wait and see how many deaths social media deems “acceptable”.

It's not just about day to day deaths.

It's about complications later in life that are not understood at all. This disease attacks vital organs in the body. The long term consequences are unknown.

If people start dropping dead at 50 due to damage from COVID earlier in life this does not help the situation.

Simplifying it to how many people are dying today is not the correct way to look at it and shows a lack of basic understanding and critical knowledge of the issues surrounding this disease.

This is why you can not understand the counter measures that need to be taken. It's because your horizons are not broad enough.

TOMs WIFE · 24-10-2020 11:26PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

How effective does a vaccine have to be to get approval?
And it’s slightly sexist to presume I’m a “lad”

Depends on your definition of 'lad' I guess, Spiderwoman.

robbiezero · 24-10-2020 11:26PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Probably because Europe was even more relaxed about things like bars, restaurants and the like than was the case here. Europe is going down the same sort of road now.

Meath had more cases than Dublin on one day this week, and that ties in exactly with the timing of the GAA activities, and the resultant spread was helped by an influx of drinkers from Dublin who came out to Ashbourne when Level 3 closed their normal drinking holes.

One pub had to close as a result of the staff all testing positive, and the landlord and his family also got it, and it also spread to other pubs from that cluster.

The fact that the tracing system doesn't go back far enough to find out who was in which pub when is not helping, we ALL need to cop on to the simple fact that the spread of Covid has been significantly helped by inappropriate activities by GAA clubs, and in some pubs.

We don't like it because it hits a tender nerve at the core of Irish culture. Covid doesn't care about culture or anything else, the sooner we recognise that and deal with the consequences for "social life", the better we will get Covid back under a level of control that we can live with.

How long are we going to deal with the consequences for "social life" for?

caveat emptor · 24-10-2020 11:34PM

Jaysus, the swedes might have got the timing of this wrong. Certain ICUs filling up with covid. The let it R.I.P, chief doctor evil epidemiologist who said "it'll be grand" is cancelling Christmas. WTF. Seems a bit harsh. Glad I don't live there. :eek:

https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1320115909717942273?s=20

Irish Steve · 24-10-2020 11:34PM

robbiezero wrote: »

How long are we going to deal with the consequences for "social life" for?

As long as it takes, and if people did what they were asked, rather than their loose interpretation of what they think is appropriate, it would not take as long.

robbiezero · 24-10-2020 11:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Very valid question.

From what I have read people will still die from Covid with the vaccine.

We just need to wait and see how many deaths social media deems “acceptable”.

Ya, that's what I am wondering.

The people that are terrified out of their wits of it now, will a virus that only mitigates the effects of it be enough for them to "come out and play".

The likes of neighbours of me ma that order their shopping online and won't touch it for two days after it arrives.

FintanMcluskey · 24-10-2020 11:40PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's not just about day to day deaths.

It's about complications later in life that are not understood at all. This disease attacks vital organs in the body. The long term consequences are unknown.

If people start dropping dead at 50 due to damage from COVID earlier in life this does not help the situation.

Simplifying it to how many people are dying today is not the correct way to look at it and shows a lack of basic understanding and critical knowledge of the issues surrounding this disease.

This is why you can not understand the counter measures that need to be taken. It's because your horizons are not broad enough.

Interesting statement in bold.

Backs up your typical posting style

robbiezero · 24-10-2020 11:42PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

As long as it takes, and if people did what they were asked, rather than their loose interpretation of what they think is appropriate, it would not take as long.

What wouldn't take as long? Getting back to normal?

As soon as we open up to normal or anywhere near it, it will come back again. We are not going to eradicate it.
You think people are going to stay in "Level 3" for possibly years?
Good luck with that.

Non solum non ambulabit · 24-10-2020 11:42PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We just need to wait and see how many deaths social media deems “acceptable”.

Some death is acceptable in almost every aspect of life otherwise we would never get out of bed. Although most of us will probably die in a bed.

Thierry12 · 24-10-2020 11:43PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's not just about day to day deaths.

It's about complications later in life that are not understood at all. This disease attacks vital organs in the body. The long term consequences are unknown.

If people start dropping dead at 50 due to damage from COVID earlier in life this does not help the situation.

Simplifying it to how many people are dying today is not the correct way to look at it and shows a lack of basic understanding and critical knowledge of the issues surrounding this disease.

This is why you can not understand the counter measures that need to be taken. It's because your horizons are not broad enough.

You should distinguish between infection and disease before you scare someone needlessly

They are 2 different things as you know

Cristiano Ronaldo right now excercising at his home has the infection, he's not dropping dead at 50 from Covid, like 80% of the people that test positive for Covid with no symptoms

The unlucky 20% that got the disease might drop dead at 50, that's true as they got sick from a novel virus, a big big might though

Not related but interestingly Slovakia started mass testing today

Similar population to us 5.5m

Tested 121,000 people today

4400 positives

Over 3% positivity rate

They test whole nation next weekend

Imagine they get 2% positivity nation wide

110,000 cases a day ;-)

https://dennikn.sk/2104586/minuta-po-minute-testovanie-orava-bardejov-druhy-den/?ref=tit

Jim Gazebo · 24-10-2020 11:44PM

Had to travel around Munster for work the last three days. One Garda checkpoint, was waved through without speaking to him... Is this a "soft" lockdown now? Scare the fearful into staying at home and leave the ones who don't care run riot?

Spiderman0081 · 24-10-2020 11:44PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Jaysus, the swedes might have got the timing of this wrong. Certain ICUs filling up with covid. The let it R.I.P, chief doctor evil epidemiologist who said "it'll be grand" is cancelling Christmas. WTF. Seems a bit harsh. Glad I don't live there. :eek:

https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1320115909717942273?s=20

I’m so happy I live in Sweden.

Non solum non ambulabit · 24-10-2020 11:46PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

You should distinguish between infection and disease before you scare someone needlessly

They are 2 different things as you know

Cristiano Ronaldo right now excercising at his home has the infection, he's not dropping dead at 50 from Covid, like 80% of the people that test positive for Covid with no symptoms

The unlucky 20% that got the disease might drop dead at 50, that's true as they got sick from a novel virus, a big big might though

Not related but interestingly Slovakia started mass testing today

Similar population to us 5.5m

Tested 121,000 people today

4400 positives

Over 3% positivity rate

They test whole nation next weekend

Imagine they get 2% positivity nation wide

110,000 cases a day ;-)

https://dennikn.sk/2104586/minuta-po-minute-testovanie-orava-bardejov-druhy-den/?ref=tit

Exactly. There are plenty of footballers playing today who tested positive and two weeks later were back playing at the highest level.

I exclude Pogba from that

MelbourneMan · 24-10-2020 11:48PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

As long as it takes, and if people did what they were asked, rather than their loose interpretation of what they think is appropriate, it would not take as long.

I would second this. It is a good posting, and I urge readers here to take note.

It is certainly an interesting element of this pandemic. While it must be recognised that the vast majority of people by and large accept the limits of their knowledge and so follow the expert advice and regulations, on the periphery, those unable to think for themselves, but also unfortunately unaware of that fact and so do make their own interpretations of matter about which they know little or nothing, a problematic, and leave us with lessons to learn on how do handle such elements in future crises.

Cluedo Monopoly · 24-10-2020 11:51PM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Had to travel around Munster for work the last three days. One Garda checkpoint, was waved through without speaking to him... Is this a "soft" lockdown now? Scare the fearful into staying at home and leave the ones who don't care run riot?

I have been all around county Galway over the past 3 days and I didn't see one checkpoint. It definitely feels much less 'lockdown' than March/April.
A lot more cars and a lot more shops open.

Thierry12 · 24-10-2020 11:54PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Exactly. There are plenty of footballers playing today who tested positive and two weeks later were back playing at the highest level.

I exclude Pogba from that

Correct

Djokovic was in the French Open final against Nadal 2-3 weeks and recently tested positive

No long Covid for him in the most gruelling fitness sport of them all imo

Kivaro · 24-10-2020 11:55PM

marno21 wrote: »

If this vaccine is approved - it will be safe. There is too much at stake for it to be approved without ticking the boxes

Put me at the front of the queue for it - speaking as someone in their mid 20s with no underlying issues - not at risk from the virus. But if it’s what it takes to prevent potential spread to those at risk - bring it on.

I am not sure how you definitively can say that. How can you be so certain?
When Sweden and Finland issued a vaccine for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, there was a 4-fold increased risk of narcolepsy in children and adolescents below the age of 20 who were vaccinated, compared to children of the same age that were not vaccinated. That is a startling statistic.

So I would not be inclined to jump to the front of the queue for this new vaccine, and I certainly would not recommend pushing our kids to the front of the queue either.

caveat emptor · 24-10-2020 11:57PM

Do you remember we were told there was no issue with all the flights in from America? Turns out there were some issues........This is how one plane seeded outbreaks in 6 different regions of Ireland. Pretty shocking and at the same time completely predictable. Fair play to some politicians for trying to do something.

Fifty-nine laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19 from six of the eight different health regions (Regions A–H) throughout the Republic of Ireland were linked to an international flight into Ireland in summer 2020 (Figure 1). An outbreak case was defined as positive PCR for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) (naso-pharyngeal swab) in either a passenger or a contact of a passenger. Thirteen cases were passengers on the same flight to Ireland, each having transferred via a large international airport, flying into Europe from three different continents (Groups 1 and 2; Group 3 and Group 4)

The outbreak transmission pattern is described in Figure 3. Four outbreak cases were hospitalised and of these, one was admitted to the intensive care unit.

This outbreak demonstrates the potential for spread of SARS-CoV-2 linked to air travel. Onward transmission from 13 passenger cases resulted in a total of 59 cases in six of eight HSE health regions in Ireland, necessitating national oversight of the outbreak. We calculated high attack rates, ranging plausibly from 9.8 % to 17.8% despite low flight occupancy and lack of passenger proximity on-board. On the flight date, 14-day COVID-19 case incidence was lower than 5 per 100,000 in Ireland, compared with 190 at time of writing (14 October 2020) [3], permitting close focus on tracing countrywide.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283363156648251392?s=20

froog · 24-10-2020 11:57PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

The people advocating further lockdown/confinement/restrictions who won’t take the supposed “rushed vaccines” will be a real danger in the next 6-12 months.

It’s a selfish viewpoint. But it’s a selfish viewpoint that will cause lots of damage. You have to take it with a pinch of salt now the people wanting continued lockdowns, do they just want destruction of the normal, of social lives etc?

who is advocating further lockdowns?

Cluedo Monopoly · 24-10-2020 11:59PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283363156648251392?s=20

The Social Democrats are proving to be a great opposition in the Dail. I actually noticed quite a number of Americans walking down Shop Street in Galway today. Definitely tourists too.

Thierry12 · 25-10-2020 12:01AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you remember we were told there was no issue with all the flights in from America? Turns out there were some issues........This is how one plane seeded outbreaks in 6 different regions of Ireland. Pretty shocking and at the same time completely predictable. Fair play to some politicians for trying to do something.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283363156648251392?s=20

Joke

After these 6 weeks are up, those ****ing clowns need to have antigen rapid tests at the airports

They are €5 each and pretty accurate, they'll catch some cases.

smellyoldboot · 25-10-2020 12:04AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I would second this. It is a good posting, and I urge readers here to take note.

It is certainly an interesting element of this pandemic. While it must be recognised that the vast majority of people by and large accept the limits of their knowledge and so follow the expert advice and regulations, on the periphery, those unable to think for themselves, but also unfortunately unaware of that fact and so do make their own interpretations of matter about which they know little or nothing, a problematic, and leave us with lessons to learn on how do handle such elements in future crises.

Something our high minded but futile approach to the "Lockdown" overlooks, is that there will always be a certain amount of, let's face it stupid and ignorant people, not to mention that the proportion of same is much higher in Ireland than in other Western European states (although that may have changed with the recent influx of "new Europeans") who just can not be trusted to make good decisions or follow instructions that are not strictly enforced.

theguzman · 25-10-2020 12:05AM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I have been all around county Galway over the past 3 days and I didn't see one checkpoint. It definitely feels much less 'lockdown' than March/April.
A lot more cars and a lot more shops open.

I have put up 1,500km since Thursday, I met one checkpoint, a couple questions and GAA banter and left on.

Wolf359f · 25-10-2020 12:11AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

You should distinguish between infection and disease before you scare someone needlessly

They are 2 different things as you know

Cristiano Ronaldo right now excercising at his home has the infection, he's not dropping dead at 50 from Covid, like 80% of the people that test positive for Covid with no symptoms

The unlucky 20% that got the disease might drop dead at 50, that's true as they got sick from a novel virus, a big big might though

Not related but interestingly Slovakia started mass testing today

Similar population to us 5.5m

Tested 121,000 people today

4400 positives

Over 3% positivity rate

They test whole nation next weekend

Imagine they get 2% positivity nation wide

110,000 cases a day ;-)

https://dennikn.sk/2104586/minuta-po-minute-testovanie-orava-bardejov-druhy-den/?ref=tit

I'd love to see where you got the 80% from, in Ireland it's many multiples lower being asymptomatic.

Slovakia, from what I can understand on the link has a 20% positivity rate on normal testing, I'm not sure on their case definition for testing, but I believe serial testing here in meat plants is about 0.6% (roughly 10% of our current national positivity rate, then again I'm surprised they don't have herd immunity in the meat plants at this stage!)

Plumbthedepths · 25-10-2020 12:13AM

Mr.S wrote: »

Kermit, that’s absolute waffle.

You're very polite.

eagle eye · 25-10-2020 12:16AM

Thierry12 wrote:

The unlucky 20% that got the disease might drop dead at 50, that's true as they got sick from a novel virus, a big big might though

Just to clarify, asymptomatics are getting long covid not just those who had symptoms.

Plumbthedepths · 25-10-2020 12:30AM

Long Covid...
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/bacterial-and-viral-infections

Spanish Eyes · 25-10-2020 12:31AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you remember we were told there was no issue with all the flights in from America? Turns out there were some issues........This is how one plane seeded outbreaks in 6 different regions of Ireland. Pretty shocking and at the same time completely predictable. Fair play to some politicians for trying to do something.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283363156648251392?s=20

That woman Catherine Murphy sounds very reasonable and rational to me anyway and she has a point.

But hey this country will never refuse visitors, there are no checks, off you go, while the rest of us are locked down. Sick of the double standards.

The excuse will be the FDI managers from US going back and forth. Have to keep that sector sweet.

The lack of checking travel quarantine is a scandal. But get your heads down everyone else and isolate.

kenmc · 25-10-2020 12:32AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Who would go shopping for a walk

There are oodles of people who seem to think that shipping is a hobby, or exercise. They must be absolutely nuts.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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