Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

wadacrack · 24-10-2020 10:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Deaths in Europe will soon be exceeding daily US fatality rates if the latter's fatality rate climb does not accelerate faster (which seems unlikely given their own renewed surge)

Ireland need to make plans regarding travel/testing and put proper protocols in place. Holohan and Co need to be asked about this by the media or it will be a case of blaming sercet parties at Christmas etc. Something has to change after the numbers were supressed in the summer

Zebra3 · 24-10-2020 10:05PM

Per millimeter people?

rooney30 · 24-10-2020 10:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Today's news from Europe.
Italy, Austria, Belgium, Portgual and France all reporting record rise in cases and continuing surge in hospitalisations.

Italy is to introduce strict curfews and tighten restrictions in the coming days according to a leaked draft of measures for the PM.

The Netherlands is to begin transferring patients to Germany as it's hospital system is under severe pressure.

The Czech Republic has officially requested aid from the EU to deal with it's own surge.

In Spain the government is pleading for regions to take action now to slow the spread of the disease. If they continue to obstruct the central government will have to take action for them.

The UK has seen it's highest Saturday rise in cases and fatalities since the beginning of the outbreak.

Germany seeing it's worst weekend surge in cases since the outbreak began in March.

May I add Kermit that there has been some very positive noises coming from Pfizer today on the vaccine front , so not all doom and gloom

KennisWhale · 24-10-2020 10:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Deaths in Europe will soon be exceeding daily US fatality rates if the latter's fatality rate climb does not accelerate faster (which seems unlikely given their own renewed surge)

At last, data to back up the heavy handed restrictions. It was beginning to look like a big con but if there's deaths rising then it justifies the restrictions.

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 10:14PM

Steve F wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070429.html
Thoughts on this please.
Possible vaccine available in Ireland by year end?

I don't believe a word of it TBH. Takes far longer than that to get it approved for uptake.

And I personally would prefer to observe the rules of confinement than to take a vaccine that has been fast tracked. I know that sounds selfish, but those who want to take it can do so, I will wait in the wings for a bit and see how it goes.

This is all for the shareholders. 2024 is my prediction for a successful vaccine. So kill me now.

24-10-2020 10:15PM

Steve F wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070429.html
Thoughts on this please.
Possible vaccine available in Ireland by year end?

Once a vaccine is administered, no matter to how few people, no matter the efficacy or whether it slows transmission, we can kiss goodbye to adherence of the majority of the population to any further restrictions IMO. The vulnerability of the elderly and immunocompromised is really the only thing that gets buy-in for restrictions at this stage

So I think that governments have to be be very careful on only starting to deliver vaccinations when there are enough doses available and enough confidence in its effectiveness that it confers some degree of wider societal protection. Because once the first dose is administered then we’re done

I Am The Law · 24-10-2020 10:16PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't believe a word of it TBH. Takes far longer than that to get it approved for uptake.

And I personally would prefer to observe the rules of confinement than to take a vaccine that has been fast tracked. I know that sounds selfish, but those who want to take it can do so, I will wait in the wings for a bit and see how it goes.

This is all for the shareholders. 2024 is my prediction for a successful vaccine. So kill me now.

7 to 10 years.

Roger_007 · 24-10-2020 10:18PM

rooney30 wrote: »

May I add Kermit that there has been some very positive noises coming from Pfizer today on the vaccine front , so not all doom and gloom

I heard a guy from Pfizer Ireland, (Paul Reid, I think), claiming that they will have a vaccine by the end of the year. He said that phase 3 trials were progressing at “breakneck speed”.
I will not be queuing up for a vaccine that was developed at breakneck speed. There is a reason why vaccines take years to develop.

Funsterdelux · 24-10-2020 10:20PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No idea what that means

Mofo?

caveat emptor · 24-10-2020 10:23PM

Last two daily days numbers are positive. I wouldn't draw conclusions giving the collapse of contact tracing and scatter gun approach of adding the restrictions randomly. Hopefully all of them are working but can't even guess to what effect. Would be nice to know if level 3 would have worked or if the household visit ban was successful. Restrictions without enforcement or with enforcement? If numbers go down massively a week after the midterm it'll be proclaimed that level 5 is working and we can in fact live with the virus. Ignoring the fact 1 million people weren't mixing indoors like the usually do. Who knows. :pac:

Spiderman0081 · 24-10-2020 10:24PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

7 to 10 years.

If I was a betting man I’d bet on 7-10

Steve F · 24-10-2020 10:25PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

If I was a betting man I’d bet on 7-10

Really?

Hubertj · 24-10-2020 10:29PM

Steve F wrote: »

Really?

Absolutely, I would definitely take the opinion of some punter on boards as gospel when it comes to a COVID vaccine.

Steve F · 24-10-2020 10:30PM

Hubertj wrote: »

Absolutely, I would definitely take the opinion of some punter on boards as gospel when it comes to a COVID vaccine.

Ahhh I see

stephenjmcd · 24-10-2020 10:39PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't believe a word of it TBH. Takes far longer than that to get it approved for uptake.

And I personally would prefer to observe the rules of confinement than to take a vaccine that has been fast tracked. I know that sounds selfish, but those who want to take it can do so, I will wait in the wings for a bit and see how it goes.

This is all for the shareholders. 2024 is my prediction for a successful vaccine. So kill me now.

You'd really want to read up on the current vaccine development and trial process so.

Pfizer is looking like being approved for use before end of year.

The approval process usually takes longer as all data is submitted in one go, this time data has been submitted in real time to FDA and EMA. Rolling reviews are underway.

Effeicny data also due out soon along with phase 3 safety data. It'll all be there to read so the suggestion of this is for shareholders is quite frankly rubbish.

The more that get the vaccine the less resrictions and the quicker we get back to normal.

Theres a full thread on vaccine development with some very well informed posters while others have researched in their spare time. Couldn't be further from reality in your post

Funsterdelux · 24-10-2020 10:40PM

Dr. Osterholm: We will be dealing with this virus forever.

The whole world is going to be experiencing COVID-19 ‘til the end of time. We’re not going to be vaccinating our way out of this to eight-plus billion people in the world right now.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 10:42PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

7 to 10 years.

Well that is probably more realistic than my optimistic 4 years

stephenjmcd · 24-10-2020 10:43PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Dr. Osterholm: We will be dealing with this virus forever.

The whole world is going to be experiencing COVID-19 ‘til the end of time. We’re not going to be vaccinating our way out of this to eight-plus billion people in the world right now.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30

It literally describes an endemic which this will be, the actual virus is going nowhere, vaccines will reduce serious illness and prevent health systems from being over run,hence allowing a phased return to normality.

Full thread on all of this

Spiderman0081 · 24-10-2020 10:47PM

rooney30 wrote: »

New vaccines at best 30% effective ?
High possibility of damage to your immune system?
Seriously , at least back up such wild assumptions with a link or two
If not , this thread just descends into ramblings of the first thing that comes into lads heads

How effective does a vaccine have to be to get approval?
And it’s slightly sexist to presume I’m a “lad”

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 10:47PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You'd really want to read up on the current vaccine development and trial process so.

Pfizer is looking like being approved for use before end of year.

The approval process usually takes longer as all data is submitted in one go, this time data has been submitted in real time to FDA and EMA. Rolling reviews are underway.

Effeicny data also due out soon along with phase 3 safety data. It'll all be there to read so the suggestion of this is for shareholders is quite frankly rubbish.

The more that get the vaccine the less resrictions and the quicker we get back to normal.

Theres a full thread on vaccine development with some very well informed posters while others have researched in their spare time. Couldn't be further from reality in your post

Ah no worries, I am just being realistic. Doubt vaccines will eradicate it either. Panacea mainly. For the shareholders again and the economy. You are not convincing me given the past history of fast tracked vaccines either. Sayonara.

For the record I am totally not an anti vac person either. But reality has to come in to it at some stage. Sorry now if that brings your enthusiasm right down.

I don't believe a word of it frankly.

Kh1993 · 24-10-2020 10:48PM

The people advocating further lockdown/confinement/restrictions who won’t take the supposed “rushed vaccines” will be a real danger in the next 6-12 months.

It’s a selfish viewpoint. But it’s a selfish viewpoint that will cause lots of damage. You have to take it with a pinch of salt now the people wanting continued lockdowns, do they just want destruction of the normal, of social lives etc?

robbiezero · 24-10-2020 10:50PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

If we didn't have shebeens in various places, and GAA clubs causing massive spikes as a result of their team winning, and "wet pubs" breaking all the rules to open the doors, (among other things), we'd not be needing to go into the sort of restrictions that we have.

The object of closing non essential stuff down is to try and persuade people to stay at home. Not go window shopping, or browsing for "nice to have" items. That's why the pubs and restaurants are closed. That's why public transport is running with massively reduced capacity.

That way, casual contact is reduced.

There is also the problem that we have to try and resolve the issue of a dysfuntional health system, which has been brought into sharp focus as a result of Covid on top of the normal issues that caused trolley overcrowding for longer than I can remember.

Add to that the ongoing shambles of the sanitiser, and it's clear that there's a massive shake up needed, preferrably yesterday.

How come the exact same thing that is happening here in terms of cases is happening all over Europe?
Did they have a lot of county finals in the Autumn too?

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 10:50PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

The people advocating further lockdown/confinement/restrictions who won’t take the supposed “rushed vaccines” will be a real danger in the next 6-12 months.

It’s a selfish viewpoint. But it’s a selfish viewpoint that will cause lots of damage.

You might mean in fairness, the same cohort who refuse to observe any rules. So no gain there. They won't take it either. They are asymptomatic and immune already. Righty O so.

BorneTobyWilde · 24-10-2020 10:52PM

Virus is only going to get worse considering the '' Make Believe Level 5 ''

No one has closed, ok maybe a few places. Why isn't it all over the News? The fact no one took any notice ?

stephenjmcd · 24-10-2020 10:53PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah no worries, I am just being realistic. Doubt vaccines will eradicate it either. Panacea mainly. For the shareholders again and the economy. You are not convincing me given the past history of fast tracked vaccines either. Sayonara.

For the record I am totally not an anti vac person either. But reality has to come in to it at some stage. Sorry now if that brings your enthusiasm right down.

I don't believe a word of it frankly.

You can not believe a word of it if you want but the trial data so far disagrees. The approval process is a public hearing with the FDA so it'll all be laid out there as well.

Your actually not being realistic at all, the idea of the vaccine isn't to eradicate it, the virus that causes covid will still exist, the vaccine will limit the effects and in trials so far that has proven to happen and that in some vaccines there hasn't been viral replication, in others there has in the nose but the lungs and respiratory system fully protected.

All of that is perfectly acceptable to have a gradual return to normal. You talk about reality, reality in the vaccine landscape is set to change significantly in the next 2 months and not 2025 as you mention.

Again everything I've mentioned is readily available online to read for yourself including data so far. Your entitled to and opinion of course but no data backs it. Doesn't bring my enthusiasm down at all, I've read up on the area and there's some really well informed posters on the vaccine thread so it's a much more hopeful picture than you portray

Spanish Eyes · 24-10-2020 10:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You can not believe a word of it if you want but the trial data so far disagrees. The approval process is a public hearing with the FDA so it'll all be laid out there as well.

Your actually not being realistic at all, the idea of the vaccine isn't to eradicate it, the virus that causes covid will still exist, the vaccine will limit the effects and in trials so far that has proven to happen and that in some vaccines there hasn't been viral replication, in others there has in the nose but the lungs and respiratory system fully protected.

All of that is perfectly acceptable to have a gradual return to normal. You talk about reality, reality in the vaccine landscape is set to change significantly in the next 2 months and not 2025 as you mention.

Again everything I've mentioned is readily available online to read for yourself including data so far. Your entitled to and opinion of course but no data backs it. Doesn't bring my enthusiasm down at all, I've read up on the area and there's some really well informed posters on the vaccine thread so it's a much more hopeful picture than you portray

Nothing will convince me until the Vaccine has been used for at least a year on others, not me :eek:

Look I am not going on any vaccine threads right now, minefield for the non researchers in that field like myself. I know my limitations.

But I sincerely hope you are correct and boy will it be a good day then if it helps us all out one way or another. Here's hoping.

stephenjmcd · 24-10-2020 10:59PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

The people advocating further lockdown/confinement/restrictions who won’t take the supposed “rushed vaccines” will be a real danger in the next 6-12 months.

It’s a selfish viewpoint. But it’s a selfish viewpoint that will cause lots of damage. You have to take it with a pinch of salt now the people wanting continued lockdowns, do they just want destruction of the normal, of social lives etc?

Yup have to agree with this, thankfully though I think most people have social responsibility (well I hope they do) and that the more people vaccinated the sooner we get back to normal life. Those wanting restrictions to continue when a vaccine is distributed will be the minority. Now that's not to say there won't be restrictions, there will be, a phased relaxation month by month would be my best guess and that could go on until Q3/4 2021 but it'll be a hell of alot better than it is now hopefully.

robbiezero · 24-10-2020 11:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup have to agree with this, thankfully though I think most people have social responsibility (well I hope they do) and that the more people vaccinated the sooner we get back to normal life. Those wanting restrictions to continue when a vaccine is distributed will be the minority. Now that's not to say there won't be restrictions, there will be, a phased relaxation month by month would be my best guess and that could go on until Q3/4 2021 but it'll be a hell of alot better than it is now hopefully.

If the vaccine only limits the effects, does that mean people will still die from it?
What would happen if it got into a nursing home even if they were vaccinated?

marno21 · 24-10-2020 11:07PM

Quite an amount of tripe here tonight regarding vaccines.

The vaccine is being developed faster than any other in history. There is no precedent for such a quickly developed vaccine - because there was never a need for such a quickly developed vaccine in history.

The vaccine has not been rushed; the stages of vaccines development that normally take years have been accelerated without cutting corners. Funding is normally an issue - there is money being thrown at the vaccines here like it’s going out of fashion. All the regulators are on standby waiting to start on the documentation - there isn’t the normal queue that has to be joined.

The vaccine is being developed quickly - but not unsafely. The reason it’s being developed so quickly is that financial and bureaucratic roadblocks are being removed - not safety ones.

If this vaccine is approved - it will be safe. There is too much at stake for it to be approved without ticking the boxes

Put me at the front of the queue for it - speaking as someone in their mid 20s with no underlying issues - not at risk from the virus. But if it’s what it takes to prevent potential spread to those at risk - bring it on.

FintanMcluskey · 24-10-2020 11:10PM

robbiezero wrote: »

If the vaccine only limits the effects, does that mean people will still die from it?
What would happen if it got into a nursing home even if they were vaccinated?

Very valid question.

From what I have read people will still die from Covid with the vaccine.

We just need to wait and see how many deaths social media deems “acceptable”.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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