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DBK1 · 22-10-2020 09:57AM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Sadly same happens in allot of Marts
Not fair on cattle

Between ground conditions and the lockdown everyone was selling last night. There was a dairy sale on first so the weanling sale didn’t start until 6 instead of 5. But there was up near 1,200 went through the weanling sale. It’s an awful lot to be going through 1 ring.

patsy_mccabe · 22-10-2020 10:14AM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Sadly same happens in allot of Marts
Not fair on cattle

Last Tuesday there was 3 rings going at the same time in Ennis. When you bring in your cattle in the morning, you will be told to have them there at a certain time, like 9.05 etc. If you are late, they will say it to you.
Military precision.

Bleating Lamb · 22-10-2020 10:55AM

DBK1 wrote: »

5 to 3 when the heifers finished selling. It’s madness really, they badly need a second ring there. Having stock standing in pens for 12 hours + before selling doesn’t do them any favours.

That’s a ridiculous hour for both Man and beast to still be at the mart....bound to be less buyers around the ring at that hour of the night so the man selling stock is losing out and cattle would be tired and weighing badly also.

Albert Johnson · 22-10-2020 10:58AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Last Tuesday there was 3 rings going at the same time in Ennis. When you bring in your cattle in the morning, you will be told to have them there at a certain time, like 9.05 etc. If you are late, they will say it to you.
Military precision.

That's how big sales would want to be ran at all times imo. I worked all through the lockdown in the local marts and with the above systems in operation everything worked well overall. Once the restrictions were lifted it all drifted back to the old way of working. It's not much fun working in a big sale and it's worse again when everyone lands an hour before the sale. I've often seen more cattle outside in trailers than in the mart a half hour before the sale is due to begin. Our local mart was the biggest in a good few year's the last night, it wasn't over until after 2am.

DBK1 · 22-10-2020 11:17AM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

That’s a ridiculous hour for both Man and beast to still be at the mart....bound to be less buyers around the ring at that hour of the night so the man selling stock is losing out and cattle would be tired and weighing badly also.

There was only about a dozen left around the ring at that stage but the online bidding was still very active. The dealers up and down the country love the online bidding in them big sales as they know they’re bound to get a few bargains at that hour of the night and all from the comfort of their own couch!! There was good heifers selling for €2.30 to €2.50 a kilo but they were weighing poor after a long day.

orm0nd · 22-10-2020 11:46AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Last Tuesday there was 3 rings going at the same time in Ennis. When you bring in your cattle in the morning, you will be told to have them there at a certain time, like 9.05 etc. If you are late, they will say it to you.
Military precision.

30 pens of dry cows there to day , PN jetting through them now

patsy_mccabe · 22-10-2020 12:34PM

orm0nd wrote: »

30 pens of dry cows there to day , PN jetting through them now

PN has improoved big time. Years ago it was impossible to hear what he was saying. He used to drive my dad nuts. He'd want to bid on cattle, but he wouldn't know the bid price . Much easier understand him now.

22-10-2020 12:49PM

Gortatlea was a good trade the whole night. The only value a black lm or hex bulls 300kg.

Talks of 15 to 20 been let around the ring but bidding on the phone.

Lady Haywire · 22-10-2020 12:50PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Last Tuesday there was 3 rings going at the same time in Ennis. When you bring in your cattle in the morning, you will be told to have them there at a certain time, like 9.05 etc. If you are late, they will say it to you.
Military precision.

Same in Carrigallen, I've to be there at 8.25 Saturday morning with calves.

Bass Reeves · 22-10-2020 01:06PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

That’s a ridiculous hour for both Man and beast to still be at the mart....bound to be less buyers around the ring at that hour of the night so the man selling stock is losing out and cattle would be tired and weighing badly also.

Lads selling only look at price per kg. You go to buy out of a lads yard and he has weighted his weanling fresh a week back. He be looking for the price of mart cattle that sold at a fancy price in Gortnalea at 7or8pm in the evening. These cattle went into a scales 8-10 hours after leaving there own field. They be 30-50kgs lighter than fresh weight.

Prices in these busy marts where cattle are standing 6+hours would be nowhere near as fancy if they they had 2-3rings running. Huge difference in real weight in an animal bought at 1pm in Kilmallock compared to an animal bought out of Listowel at 4pm but an animal out of Gortnalea at 7-8pm is in another league.

DBK1 · 22-10-2020 02:13PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Lads selling only look at price per kg. You go to buy out of a lads yard and he has weighted his weanling fresh a week back. He be looking for the price of mart cattle that sold at a fancy price in Gortnalea at 7or8pm in the evening. These cattle went into a scales 8-10 hours after leaving there own field. They be 30-50kgs lighter than fresh weight.

Prices in these busy marts where cattle are standing 6+hours would be nowhere near as fancy if they they had 2-3rings running. Huge difference in real weight in an animal bought at 1pm in Kilmallock compared to an animal bought out of Listowel at 4pm but an animal out of Gortnalea at 7-8pm is in another league.

If you could get them in Gortatlea at 7pm it wouldn’t be too bad but it was near 3am last night finishing. I’d say minimum 30 kilos gone off the lighter heifers and 50 or 60 kilos gone off the heavier ones at that stage compared to if they were weighed when they were being loaded in the farmers yard at 11 or 12 yesterday morning. There’s lads travelling an hours drive and more with stock to sell there so that’s a very long day on any animal.

If a farmer could sell them for 20 or 30 cent a kilo less after weighing in his own yard he’d be far batter off financially and to be honest the buyer probably would be as well. A lot of the lighter stock would have only been pulled from cows yesterday morning and be sent on there and shipped around the country then. It takes a long time for an animal to recover from that and they’d be very prone to pneumonia and things like that. Buying them based on “fresh weight” might cost the buyer a bit more but at least you can load them into the trailer and bring them straight to your own yard without all the stress of the mart.

orm0nd · 22-10-2020 02:41PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

PN has improoved big time. Years ago it was impossible to hear what he was saying. He used to drive my dad nuts. He'd want to bid on cattle, but he wouldn't know the bid price . Much easier understand him now.

There was a local guy fairly advanced in years that used always buy in nenagh. Quality cattle became scarce there so he hit Ennis.

Anyhow we were rising him in the pub one night and asked how he liked Ennis

Well he said your man was going bl bl bl bl and I bought a couple of lots.

When I went in to pay for them they were a hundred more than what I thought. But sure I wanted them anyhow.

I told PN some time later and he had a good laugh

Bass Reeves · 22-10-2020 03:09PM

DBK1 wrote: »

If you could get them in Gortatlea at 7pm it wouldn’t be too bad but it was near 3am last night finishing. I’d say minimum 30 kilos gone off the lighter heifers and 50 or 60 kilos gone off the heavier ones at that stage compared to if they were weighed when they were being loaded in the farmers yard at 11 or 12 yesterday morning. There’s lads travelling an hours drive and more with stock to sell there so that’s a very long day on any animal.

If a farmer could sell them for 20 or 30 cent a kilo less after weighing in his own yard he’d be far batter off financially and to be honest the buyer probably would be as well. A lot of the lighter stock would have only been pulled from cows yesterday morning and be sent on there and shipped around the country then. It takes a long time for an animal to recover from that and they’d be very prone to pneumonia and things like that. Buying them based on “fresh weight” might cost the buyer a bit more but at least you can load them into the trailer and bring them straight to your own yard without all the stress of the mart.

It was store bullock times I was referring to. Kilmallock has seperate rings for bullocks, cows and heifers and calves weanlings. Listowel is cows first then bulks, sucklers, heifers and then bullocks. Gortnalea is similar to Listowel but a longer mart. Wait too long to bring bullocks in and they are at the end of the sale in Listowel or Gortnalea.

Dozer1 · 22-10-2020 04:24PM

my 2 cents is the weanlings in Castleisland weren't bad Monday, that's where I'd take them ahead of Gortalea its just too hard on cattle there, yes maybe a few euro less but when you add it up I reckon your better off.

K9 · 22-10-2020 06:50PM

Dunedin wrote: »

What was the price range

Probably averaged around €1600/1650. Best of them over €2000 or close to it

22-10-2020 07:06PM

Listowel today, everyone outside the ring on the phone bidding. At least you can see the cattle.

morphy87 · 22-10-2020 07:26PM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Listowel today, everyone outside the ring on the phone bidding. At least you can see the cattle.

Where were lads out in there cars or around passage ways and the catwalk? If you could be present in the mart and see the animals entering the ring it would be workable,

22-10-2020 08:33PM

morphy87 wrote: »

Where were lads out in there cars or around passage ways and the catwalk? If you could be present in the mart and see the animals entering the ring it would be workable,

Sorry I should have made it more clear. Around the passage ways, the gangways & as the cattle come out the ring. All bidding away against each other.

morphy87 · 22-10-2020 08:52PM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Sorry I should have made it more clear. Around the passage ways, the gangways & as the cattle come out the ring. All bidding away against each other.

That’s not too bad, I thought you could only come in in the morning inspect the stock and then everybody had to leave the premises?maybe they are saying this publictly but people can hang around if they want

GNWoodd · 22-10-2020 08:54PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Last Tuesday there was 3 rings going at the same time in Ennis. When you bring in your cattle in the morning, you will be told to have them there at a certain time, like 9.05 etc. If you are late, they will say it to you.
Military precision.

The previous Thursday in Ennis , heifers penned before 8 weren’t sold until 4.30 pm . Sale didn’t start until after 1 pm
Keeping cattle for 2 plus years to have them lose 30 kgs on their last day isn’t good enough.
I know that we are in difficult times but the producer who has the animal the longest, has always been the loser .

Albert Johnson · 22-10-2020 09:03PM

GNWoodd wrote: »

The previous Thursday in Ennis , heifers penned before 8 weren’t sold until 4.30 pm . Sale didn’t start until after 1 pm
Keeping cattle for 2 plus years to have them lose 30 kgs on their last day isn’t good enough.
I know that we are in difficult times but the producer who has the animal the longest, has always been the loser .

What would you propose as a solution?

patsy_mccabe · 22-10-2020 09:08PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What would you propose as a solution?

Stage 1 - As you know, all the drovers, even the auctioneers, are busy all morning bringing in the cattle, putting on the numbers and then penning them.

Stage 2 - They then start the mart and sell the cattle.

Stage 3 - Help buyers get their cattle and get them up the chutes again.

Only other way, is to have all 3 stages going the same time. It could be done but a lot more difficult to manage.

cute geoge · 22-10-2020 09:08PM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Listowel today, everyone outside the ring on the phone bidding. At least you can see the cattle.

I just saw a few lots of cows selling online ,I taught prices were strong .No big glut of cattle helps ,are all the big sales over with

22-10-2020 09:09PM

GNWoodd wrote: »

The previous Thursday in Ennis , heifers penned before 8 weren’t sold until 4.30 pm . Sale didn’t start until after 1 pm
Keeping cattle for 2 plus years to have them lose 30 kgs on their last day isn’t good enough.
I know that we are in difficult times but the producer who has the animal the longest, has always been the loser .

To be honest any of the buyers in Ennis I find don't take any notice of weights.
I don't anyway, cattle are different gravy up there to the rest of us

K9 · 22-10-2020 09:24PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What would you propose as a solution?

One Thing that would speed up selling is if animals were grouped together as much as possible. Nothing more depressing watching singles go through the ring when they could of been sold together.

DBK1 · 22-10-2020 09:53PM

K9 wrote: »

One Thing that would speed up selling is if animals were grouped together as much as possible. Nothing more depressing watching singles go through the ring when they could of been sold together.

That’s without doubt the most frustrating thing anyone can do in a mart. It’s depressing to see the same cattle from the one farm all coming in one after another at the same age and only a few kilos between them when they could be grouped in 3’s and 4’s.

It turns me off bidding on them as it’s the sign of a man that either doesn’t know his stock or is that mean that he’s afraid he might lose out on a fiver on one or 2 of them!!

Who2 · 22-10-2020 10:01PM

It’s common practice selling singles around me. Dealers cattle will land every so often with a rig every so often or if in pairs there’s usually a wild one in it.

richie123 · 22-10-2020 10:01PM

DBK1 wrote: »

That’s without doubt the most frustrating thing anyone can do in a mart. It’s depressing to see the same cattle from the one farm all coming in one after another at the same age and only a few kilos between them when they could be grouped in 3’s and 4’s.

It turns me off bidding on them as it’s the sign of a man that either doesn’t know his stock or is that mean that he’s afraid he might lose out on a fiver on one or 2 of them!!

Absolutely...what is wrong with farmers that they won't batch up cattle ...marts should put there foot down and insist on a minimum of 2 Ina lot!

cute geoge · 22-10-2020 10:04PM

DBK1 wrote: »

That’s without doubt the most frustrating thing anyone can do in a mart. It’s depressing to see the same cattle from the one farm all coming in one after another at the same age and only a few kilos between them when they could be grouped in 3’s and 4’s.

It turns me off bidding on them as it’s the sign of a man that either doesn’t know his stock or is that mean that he’s afraid he might lose out on a fiver on one or 2 of them!!

one day I saw a lovely lot of 4 char. cattle stopped by local cattle shark and he got them for a song ,next lot of 4 from same herd comes in and the same thing ,so no wonder you see singles and doubles from the same herd

Albert Johnson · 22-10-2020 10:07PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Stage 1 - As you know, all the drovers, even the auctioneers, are busy all morning bringing in the cattle, putting on the numbers and then penning them.

Stage 2 - They then start the mart and sell the cattle.

Stage 3 - Help buyers get their cattle and get them up the chutes again.

Only other way, is to have all 3 stages going the same time. It could be done but a lot more difficult to manage.

Those stage's would generally overlap during the course of an average sale. I work on the chutes numbering and reading cards and the sale would usually be started before the last of the cattle were penned. By then it's time for a quick bite to eat and the first of the buyer's will be loading up again while the mart is still ongoing.

To do all the above consistently throughout the day would require extra staff as it takes plenty of man power to run the chutes, yard and rings at the one time. It would also test the facilities as there'd be cattle going in all directions at once. That's not to say it couldn't be done but would customers be open to increases in commission to help facilitate those changes.

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