Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Strumms · 22-10-2020 06:06PM

thomasdylan wrote: »

You really don't have a clue. Almost every consultant in every major hospital in Ireland will have worked and trained in North America, the UK, France, Australia, etc.

Every hospital everywhere has multi-disciplinary teams, every hospital has mutiple specialties, nothing about that makes Ireland special. You might as well say Ireland's training is the best in the world because Irish hospitals have Xray machines.

My own opinion is from my own experiences of talking with doctors, physios etc... your “you might as well say” and “don’t have a clue” childishness shows that YOU are not of the ability to engage seriously on the subject, But thanks for sharing.

Training occurs here. Doctors have and do work abroad yes, it’s not illegal, nor should it be, it should simply be in a contract that you should remain here for xx time working after training.

If you disagree ? Get a job washing pots in a hotel.

Non solum non ambulabit · 22-10-2020 06:07PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

NPHET have no reason to hide cases. It's the opposite. All cases need to be found and contact traced.

ACitizenErased · 22-10-2020 06:07PM

1066 cases
3 deaths

s1ippy · 22-10-2020 06:07PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

Can you imagine if they actually had to test all the close contacts in every classroom with a case? There are 30 individuals in many classes. Some attend multiple classes in a day. You might as well ask them to test every person in the country under 18 because at this stage there's probably a case in almost every community in the country.

Also if children aren't in school people can't go to work. If people can't go to work there's no money. You surely know all this.

Cody montana · 22-10-2020 06:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1066 cases
3 deaths

Things improving!

mloc123 · 22-10-2020 06:08PM

Antares35 wrote: »

In March they told us kids were super spreaders and now schools are "safe" from covid.

In March we were told a lot of things

You know that opinions and advise can change over time... right? Just like treatments for Covid, at the start everyone was to be put on ventilators... now they aren't

ACitizenErased · 22-10-2020 06:09PM

R number estimated to be 1.3 nationally

Jim_Hodge · 22-10-2020 06:09PM

prunudo wrote: »

Not quite sure why people are expecting traffic volumes to feel like April. What was introduced is level 5 in name only. Between schools and the amount of exemptions to the rules it may as well be business as usual. This is really only a hospitality and hairdresser/barber lockdown with a 5km tarvel limit for excerise thrown in for good measure.

Volume way down here apart from school traffic. Only the supermarkets are open and the rest of the shopping centres(apart from the chemists) and the main street are closed. The town was like a ghost town this morning except for the post office.

BringBackMick · 22-10-2020 06:09PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

I would think it would be due to stubborness?

They have reiterated time and time again that schools are not major sources of infection, so they hardly going to do a u-turn

not yet anyway

mloc123 · 22-10-2020 06:10PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Can you imagine if they actually had to test all the close contacts in every classroom with a case? There are 30 individuals in many classes. Some attend multiple classes in a day. You might as well ask them to test every person in the country under 18 because at this stage there's probably a case in almost every community in the country.

Also if children aren't in school people can't go to work. If people can't go to work there's no money. You surely know all this.

You outlined why the government would want to hide cases in schools... not NPHET...

Again, why would NPHET want to hide cases in schools? What is the payoff for them?

rodders999 · 22-10-2020 06:10PM

Lost 3 hours of my life to Garda checkpoints on the way to and from work today.

If only they were as proficient at breaking up massive house parties and shutting down 3 day piss ups inside pubs after county finals as they are at inconveniencing essential workers maybe we wouldn’t be at level 5 to begin with.

ACitizenErased · 22-10-2020 06:12PM

Today's 1,066 cases;

- 244 in Dublin
- 104 in Galway
- 98 in Cork
- 92 in Meath

Rest spread across all other counties in the Republic of Ireland.

shinzon · 22-10-2020 06:12PM

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

maebee · 22-10-2020 06:12PM

1066 and 3 deaths

bodhrandude · 22-10-2020 06:12PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Things improving!

Hopefully, was hoping it wasn't going to hit 1.5 k and god willing, it keeps going down.

8k71ps · 22-10-2020 06:13PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

NPHET have no reason to hide cases. It's the opposite. All cases need to be found and contact traced.

Well the problem is that they clearly are, probably not wholey intentionally though. Internationally the incidence rate even in countries like Singapore and South Korea seem higher in schools than they are over there despite massively more attention paid to them, let alone northern Ireland and the UK.

I do honestly think it is a mix of lack of knowledge about differences of symptoms in children alongside attempts to bring everyone back to work causing the same circumstances that caused the lockdown in the first place. Also to some degree considering the amount of funding they put in to keep them open they have a political incentive for this not to be another department of education ****up.

I could easily be wrong, but we'll see it conclusively very soon since we can see if there was any difference in infectivity over the mid term, and as well they're going to have to publish all the data in cases in schools before they reopen them.

22-10-2020 06:13PM

rodders999 wrote: »

Lost 3 hours of my life to Garda checkpoints on the way to and from work today.

If only they were as proficient at breaking up massive house parties and shutting down 3 day piss ups inside pubs after county finals as they are at inconveniencing essential workers maybe we wouldn’t be at level 5 to begin with.

That would be at odds with Garda ethos: go for the softest targets to achieve quotas and give real criminals a wide berth as that would require strenuous effort.

JP Liz V1 · 22-10-2020 06:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Today's 1,066 cases;

- 244 in Dublin
- 104 in Galway
- 98 in Cork
- 92 in Meath

Rest spread across all other counties in the Republic of Ireland.

Massive jump in Galway

DebDynamite · 22-10-2020 06:14PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I would think it would be due to stubborness?

They have reiterated time and time again that schools are not major sources of infection, so they hardly going to do a u-turn

not yet anyway

How could ever have known for definite though if the schools were closed up until two months ago? Of course they could’ve rowed back on their opinion once they saw the data when schools actually opened, and no one would’ve thought they’d had egg on their face for doing so either.

marno21 · 22-10-2020 06:14PM

shinzon wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

Taking a break.

Well deserved imo.

Jim_Hodge · 22-10-2020 06:14PM

shinzon wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

There are 3 DCMOs

AnniePowwa · 22-10-2020 06:14PM

George Lee must be the most hated man in Ireland since Cromwell

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 06:14PM

shinzon wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

If wikipedia is accurate there's 3:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

Gael23 · 22-10-2020 06:14PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Massive jump in Galway

There’s a major outbreak at a nursing home in bsllinasloe

ChikiChiki · 22-10-2020 06:15PM

AnniePowwa wrote: »

George Lee must be the most hated man in Ireland since Cromwell

How so?

Maybe take a walk outside.

8k71ps · 22-10-2020 06:15PM

Sure the department of education was using a study they produced saying there was no evidence whatsoever of transmission of covid in schools to reopen them in September, I hardly think they care whatever the evidence is unless it supports what they already believed.

eigrod · 22-10-2020 06:15PM

Eod100 wrote: »

If wikipedia is accurate there's 3:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

Yep

https://whodoeswhat.gov.ie/branch/health/CMODiv/dr-tony-holohan/1828/

thomasdylan · 22-10-2020 06:16PM

Strumms wrote: »

My own opinion is from my own experiences of talking with doctors, physios etc... your “you might as well say” and “don’t have a clue” childishness shows that YOU are not of the ability to engage seriously on the subject, But thanks for sharing.

Training occurs here. Doctors have and do work abroad yes, it’s not illegal, nor should it be, it should simply be in a contract that you should remain here for xx time working after training.

If you disagree ? Get a job washing pots in a hotel.

'Get a job washing pots in a hotel' and I'm the childish one who can't engage? You seem very bitter.

You could always try taking the passports away from the graduating doctors, pharmacists, physiotherapists and nurses.

You said that Ireland has great training and doctors don't need to leave to work anywhere else and train. That's completely wrong. But it's 'your opinion' and you've talked to doctors and physios. Where did the doctors who did the first angiogram and kidney transplant in Ireland learn to do it?

Sierra Oscar · 22-10-2020 06:17PM

41,622 new cases in France today.

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1319326694281564167

s1ippy · 22-10-2020 06:17PM

mloc123 wrote: »

You outlined why the government would want to hide cases in schools... not NPHET...

Again, why would NPHET want to hide cases in schools? What is the payoff for them?

NPHET can only advise the government based on the data, government is insisting that schools stay open. The HSE's test and trace system is at beyond full capacity now. NPHET are apolitical so can't give the actual opinion if it directly contradicts what the government demands. They/HSE also seem to only disclose information as permitted by government. It is in their best interest to play ball and they likely also take on board the fact that society won't be able to function without schools open, plus the "mental health" angle is something they also purport to consider.

Every other country in the world has issues with school transmission. Given the wealth of evidence that there is inadequate testing, tracing and the information being disclosed by the HSE doesn't tally with the information gathered and released by parents and staff in the schools, I can't understand how anyone would still think that there isn't a glaring oversight where schools are concerned.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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