Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

OscarMIlde · 22-10-2020 05:28PM

polesheep wrote: »

A poster up thread said that clinical staff don't have to isolate and get a test within 24hrs. I was just wondering if those who work in labs are considered clinical staff. I think it matters a lot given the pressure on lab services currently. It was just a question.

We work in quite a cramped environment so it was treated as a close contact with a positive despite everyone wearing masks. They isolated until they got a negative result whereupon they could return to work, providing they had no symptoms. The test took longer than usual, more like 48 hours, which is a sign of how mush testing is being done now. They have to monitor their temperature regularly and document it, and they will have a second test at day seven to double check. Those are the guidelines for clinical staff. The normal rules for close contact is that you must isolate for 14 days regardless of your test result, as the test can miss cases.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 05:29PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

We work in quite a cramped environment so it was treated as a close contact with a positive despite everyone wearing masks. They isolated until they got a negative result whereupon they could return to work, providing they had no symptoms. The test took longer than usual, more like 48 hours, which is a sign of how mush testing is being done now. They have to monitor their temperature regularly and document it, and they will have a second test at day seven to double check. Those are the guidelines for clinical staff. The normal rules for close contact is that you must isolate for 14 days regardless of your test result, as the test can miss cases.

Thank you.

22-10-2020 05:30PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

How is COVID spreading so easily in care homes, hospitals and labs, where I think a poster said 6 of his colleagues tested positive?

I know it just takes one person to bring it into the workplace, but how is is spreading amongst the staff if masks should definitely be worn in these environments - or are they? Obviously it would be easy enough for patients to contract it as they are vulnerable and not wearing masks, but i’m surprised at the level of spread amongst workers in clinical settings.

Lunch is what I think. There isn't enough places for people to eat their lunch even with staggered lunches.

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 05:31PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

How is COVID spreading so easily in care homes, hospitals and labs, where I think a poster said 6 of his colleagues tested positive?

I know it just takes one person to bring it into the workplace, but how is is spreading amongst the staff if masks should definitely be worn in these environments - or are they? Obviously it would be easy enough for patients to contract it as they are vulnerable and not wearing masks, but i’m surprised at the level of spread amongst workers in clinical settings.

Could be spread during lunch breaks?

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 05:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lunch is what I think. There isn't enough places for people to eat their lunch even with staggered lunches.

It's why I eat my lunch outside.

wadacrack · 22-10-2020 05:37PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

How is COVID spreading so easily in care homes, hospitals and labs, where I think a poster said 6 of his colleagues tested positive?

I know it just takes one person to bring it into the workplace, but how is is spreading amongst the staff if masks should definitely be worn in these environments - or are they? Obviously it would be easy enough for patients to contract it as they are vulnerable and not wearing masks, but i’m surprised at the level of spread amongst workers in clinical settings.

It spreads through aerosolization which makes it virtually impossible to supress to any great extent indoors

ChikiChiki · 22-10-2020 05:39PM

ED E wrote: »

Dublin does NOT feel like level5. Not even close.

Observation from my lunch walk today today. Traffic on the road was very heavy in Fairview. At the height of restrictions it was very quiet. Schoolkids hanging around in groups in the park.

Definitely not a level 5 feeling.

I think levels could have been stretched out a bit because we could go to more extremes than we are currently at.

Strumms · 22-10-2020 05:39PM

polesheep wrote: »

You say you understand and then go on as if you don't. The HSE have not offered proper contracts to the majority of graduates for years. It is important for doctors to travel for experience. Many of them come back to work here highly experienced and bring with them the benefits of what they learned abroad... which is not paid for by the Irish taxpayer.

Go on as if I don’t, ok.

Experience is here to gain. Lots of doctors don’t travel at all for experience. The majority in fact. If it’s AS important to travel as you allude to it would be mandatory. It isn’t.

The medical training here is amongst the best in the world. The experience to be got in the multi disciplinary teams in multiple hospitals that have multiple specialities is globally second to none almost.

So if you think fûcking off after receiving a load of training, costing 300,000 is the thing to do.... :rolleyes:

The IMO only yesterday warned that a chronic shortage of doctors here will have devastating implications if the matter is not addressed....

So yeah say if 10 doctors get trained and 3 fûck off to Australia, 2 to France, 5 to New Zealand... we are saying good luck to 3 million of an investment and 10 people we’ve equipped with expertise and qualifications.

Sound fair ? It’s not. You want to become a doctor, you want and apply to the state to finance your way... you should be legally obliged to spend time here working.

Imagine in covid county we cant rely not on trying to import doctors who we can’t get but rely on the ones here.

22-10-2020 05:40PM

Strumms wrote: »

Go on as if I don’t, ok.

Experience is here to gain. Lots of doctors don’t travel at all for experience. The majority in fact. If it’s AS important to travel as you allude to it would be mandatory. It isn’t.

The medical training here is amongst the best in the world. The experience to be got in the multi disciplinary teams in multiple hospitals that have multiple specialities is globally second to none almost.

So if you think fûcking off after receiving a load of training, costing 300,000 is the thing to do.... :rolleyes:

The IMO only yesterday warned that a chronic shortage of doctors here will have devastating implications if the matter is not addressed....

So yeah say if 10 doctors get trained and 3 fûck off to Australia, 2 to France, 5 to New Zealand... we are saying good luck to 3 million of an investment and 10 people we’ve equipped with expertise and qualifications.

Sound fair ? It’s not. You want to become a doctor, you want and apply to the state to finance that 300,000 grand your way... you should be legally obliged to spend time here working.

Awkwardly, Scotland paid for my whole pharmacy degree. Then I moved back to Ireland. It was cheaper to study in Scotland than it was in Ireland.

prunudo · 22-10-2020 05:45PM

Not quite sure why people are expecting traffic volumes to feel like April. What was introduced is level 5 in name only. Between schools and the amount of exemptions to the rules it may as well be business as usual. This is really only a hospitality and hairdresser/barber lockdown with a 5km tarvel limit for excerise thrown in for good measure.

ChikiChiki · 22-10-2020 05:45PM

As the tracing system has crashed, can people volunteer now to bring it up to speed? I have 4 hours ahead of me this evening with all the office facilities at home and not a whole lot to do. Would be happy to help out if needed.

I'm sure there are many in similar situations.

screamer · 22-10-2020 05:45PM

Hospital staff in non covid wards are wearing surgical masks. They are about as useful as a paper bag to stop the wearer catching covid. To be effective for the wearer, hospital staff need FPP2 if not FPPE3 masks which they don’t have.
Hospitals are lovely warm environments with lots of circulation of staff, carers, cleaners and porters, and have rubbish ventilation, combined with close contact and lots of patients and it’s only a wonderful environment for covid to thrive. I’d imagine care homes are pretty similar.

jaffa20 · 22-10-2020 05:46PM

Zara Kings talks way too fast it almost makes me dizzy!

screamer · 22-10-2020 05:47PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

As the tracing system has crashed, can people volunteer now to bring it up to speed? I have 4 hours ahead of me this evening with all the office facilities at home and not a whole to do. Would be happy to help out if needed.

Oh don’t you know, vetting, training and data protection rules would all have to be complied with before anyone could volunteer to help.... one thing the HSE excel at is red tape barriers

UrbanFret · 22-10-2020 05:47PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

As the tracing system has crashed, can people volunteer now to bring it up to speed? I have 4 hours ahead of me this evening with all the office facilities at home and not a whole lot to do. Would be happy to help out if needed.

I'm sure there are many in similar situations.

I'd imagine you would have to be Garda vetted.

mcburns07 · 22-10-2020 05:48PM

prunudo wrote: »

Not quite sure why people are expecting traffic volumes to feel like April. What was introduced is level 5 in name only. Between schools and the amount of exemptions to the rules it may as well be business as usual. This is really only a hospitality and hairdresser/barber lockdown with a 5km tarvel limit for excerise thrown in for good measure.

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

JimToken · 22-10-2020 05:49PM

screamer wrote: »

Hospital staff in non covid wards are wearing surgical masks. They are about as useful as a paper bag to stop the wearer catching covid. To be effective for the wearer, hospital staff need FPP2 if not FPPE3 masks which they don’t have.
Hospitals are lovely warm environments with lots of circulation of staff, carers, cleaners and porters, and have rubbish ventilation, combined with close contact and lots of patients and it’s only a wonderful environment for covid to thrive. I’d imagine care homes are pretty similar.

Retail staff wearing visors

Antares35 · 22-10-2020 05:51PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

Except people probably will visit family and friends and just say they are going on essential business. And a lot of retailers are apparently open because they've stocked a few bits of essential items.

bazermc · 22-10-2020 05:52PM

DOH briefing at 6

prunudo · 22-10-2020 05:55PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

Haha, don't think I've ever been called a lockdown merchant before.
You cannot compare what is restricted now to April, certainly from a business perspective. I accept your point about sporting and personal restrictions alright.

Jenna James · 22-10-2020 05:55PM

Approx 20-30 non-essential retail open in Wilton Shopping Centre, Cork.

Harry Palmr · 22-10-2020 05:57PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

You can meet in a neutral location, bit like peace talks. And bubble if you are single.

thomasdylan · 22-10-2020 05:57PM

Strumms wrote: »

Go on as if I don’t, ok.

Experience is here to gain. Lots of doctors don’t travel at all for experience. The majority in fact. If it’s AS important to travel as you allude to it would be mandatory. It isn’t.

The medical training here is amongst the best in the world. The experience to be got in the multi disciplinary teams in multiple hospitals that have multiple specialities is globally second to none almost.

You really don't have a clue. Almost every consultant in every major hospital in Ireland will have worked and trained in North America, the UK, France, Australia, etc.

Every hospital everywhere has multi-disciplinary teams, every hospital has mutiple specialties, nothing about that makes Ireland special. You might as well say Ireland's training is the best in the world because Irish hospitals have Xray machines.

ChikiChiki · 22-10-2020 06:00PM

screamer wrote: »

Oh don’t you know, vetting, training and data protection rules would all have to be complied with before anyone could volunteer to help.... one thing the HSE excel at is red tape barriers

This is an emergency, businesses and people are suffering so I'd say cut the red tape, garda vetting and whatever else.

I'm an employed professional with no convictions at the end of the day looking to help. There are plenty of us.

My company vetted me as part of the recruitment process.

This just seems so longwinded and typical of public service institutions to not ask for help. Even Donnelly's "once off" comment today was unnecessary chest pumping when we all know the case is different.

LuasSimon · 22-10-2020 06:03PM

Why would anyone work in a nursing home on minimum wage ??
While the owners make thousands every month cutting corners

s1ippy · 22-10-2020 06:04PM

More shameful behaviour by the HSE to control the figures surrounding schools.

No other workplace is given this level of careful oversight in how it's handled. If only they were investing the same energy in actually managing the outbreaks instead of suppressing the information and making excuses for not testing.

Antares35 · 22-10-2020 06:05PM

In March they told us kids were super spreaders and now schools are "safe" from covid.

mloc123 · 22-10-2020 06:05PM

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

Jim_Hodge · 22-10-2020 06:05PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Any figures for Northern Ireland yet.

1042 and 3 deaths.

polesheep · 22-10-2020 06:05PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Why would anyone work in a nursing home on minimum wage ??
While the owners make thousands every month cutting corners

Unfortunately the quality of nursing homes varies a lot and the good ones usually have waiting lists. I think you'll that the staff are happier in the good ones and I'll bet better paid too.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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