Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Paddygreen · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Theres a serious lack of compliance out there - its actually quite funny seeing all the "essential" shops open just because they sell a face mask or hand sanitizer.

However I did predict that compliance in level 5 restrictions would not be adhered to. One day in and its like theres no lock down at all!!!!

Our idiot over lords havent got it wrong again have they??

It wouldnt be the first time - case tracing failures,failure to plan for a second wave, Golfgate, 2 ministers resigning,U turns every couple of weeks, a taoiseach that doesnt even know how to speak in public (maybe hes retarded or something), A Tanaiste who just plays populist politics, a health minister who doesnt know whats going on in his department.

If i did half the **** ups this lot did Id be sacked on the spot.

These are the biggest joke of a government I have ever seen in my life.

What does it take for the electorate to call for their heads??

They just need to call a GE and get on with letting someone with half a brain manage the country and pandemic.

He’s not a retard, he is a very special young man who dreamed of being teashock since he was a little lad bouncing on Bertie’s knee. What does Bertie say about dada da virus anyway? Is he cocooning or something. Haven’t seen a trace of him in ages, he usually has an opinion on everything.

BringBackMick · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

Any swabs today?

eigrod · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

1040 positive swabs in last 24 hours from a huge 17,856 tests. Positivity rate 5.82%

Last 8 days, up to yesterday, 9252 positive swabs, 9326 positive cases announced.

ACitizenErased · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

1033 positive swabs, positivity rate of 5.8%. 7 day average has dropped to 6.9%.

MrMusician18 · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Regarding compliance with rules even if they are obvious written down and told to someone you will get approx 10% who won't comply. Even then you can 'talk' 8% into complying or going along but there is always a 1% or so that are a nightmare to deal with and have to be forced to leave or comply.

Behavioral scientists say that about 20% of the population will do their own thing.

Benimar · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

1,040 positive swabs on 17,856 tests - 5.82% positivity

boetstark · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Regarding compliance with rules even if they are obvious written down and told to someone you will get approx 10% who won't comply. Even then you can 'talk' 8% into complying or going along but there is always a 1% or so that are a nightmare to deal with and have to be forced to leave or comply.

I would say after one day this so called lockdown is 50% at best. Had to drive through the city to collect so from school. Loads of people out and about more businesses open than closed. A journey of 18km round trip not a garda to be seen.

tayto lover · 22-10-2020 03:41PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Regarding compliance with rules even if they are obvious written down and told to someone you will get approx 10% who won't comply. Even then you can 'talk' 8% into complying or going along but there is always a 1% or so that are a nightmare to deal with and have to be forced to leave or comply.

In the border region where I live you could increase the percentage of non compilers to 80%. They have a border mentality and rules are never for them.

Icyseanfitz · 22-10-2020 03:42PM

Benimar wrote: »

1,040 positive swabs on 17,856 tests - 5.82% positivity

Thats good.... Right?

ACitizenErased · 22-10-2020 03:43PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Thats good.... Right?

Compared to the last 14 days yes that's sort of good, but the standards are quite low

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 03:43PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Theres a serious lack of compliance out there - its actually quite funny seeing all the "essential" shops open just because they sell a face mask or hand sanitizer.

However I did predict that compliance in level 5 restrictions would not be adhered to. One day in and its like theres no lock down at all!!!!

Our idiot over lords havent got it wrong again have they??

It wouldnt be the first time - case tracing failures,failure to plan for a second wave, Golfgate, 2 ministers resigning,U turns every couple of weeks, a taoiseach that doesnt even know how to speak in public (maybe hes retarded or something), A Tanaiste who just plays populist politics, a health minister who doesnt know whats going on in his department.

If i did half the **** ups this lot did Id be sacked on the spot.

These are the biggest joke of a government I have ever seen in my life.

What does it take for the electorate to call for their heads??

They just need to call a GE and get on with letting someone with half a brain manage the country and pandemic.

I agree. This government will mostly likely be seen as the worst in modern times. It took them 5 months to form the government too. What were they at?

That said I am not sure another election would improve things much. The caliber of candidates is quite poor. The only TDs talking sense are Roisin Shortall (SDs) and Alan Kelly (Lab) and he was the man that made a mess of Irish Water with help from his FG colleagues and Trickle Hogan.

I think they lost hearts and minds with the Clifden elite party after Dara said 'Covid loves to party'. It will definitely have an effect on Level 5 compliance. The levels plan and rollout have been a disaster from Day 1.

To borrow Akan Dukes words in relation to Irish Water....

A glorious, god-awful mess has been made of the Living with Covid plan, we've ended up with a system now that no rational person would have invented if they had sat down to put this kind of system together. The hope must be that it will work lamely until some sort of coherent system is put in place.

Polar101 · 22-10-2020 03:44PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Thats good.... Right?

At least it's not a hugely increased number.

Obvious question is: how many close contacts are being missed, and is that why the positivity rate has decreased?

BringBackMick · 22-10-2020 03:46PM

Yea positivity rate decreases

Benimar · 22-10-2020 03:48PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Thats good.... Right?

Better yes, good in the sense positivity is going in the right direction.

However, its still the 2nd highest actual swab total in the last 4 days, so there is a long road ahead to get things down to the levels we need.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2020 03:52PM

Polar101 wrote: »

At least it's not a hugely increased number.

Obvious question is: how many close contacts are being missed, and is that why the positivity rate has decreased?

Second obvious question. How many close contacts have been identified by individuals doing their own contact tracing that would be considered casual contacts by a professional (theyeby having a lower chance of picking up the virus).

The decrease in the positivity rate has happened for a few days now so we should be positive. Just not too positive.

22-10-2020 03:52PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Theres a serious lack of compliance out there - its actually quite funny seeing all the "essential" shops open just because they sell a face mask or hand sanitizer.

However I did predict that compliance in level 5 restrictions would not be adhered to. One day in and its like theres no lock down at all!!!!

Our idiot over lords havent got it wrong again have they??

It wouldnt be the first time - case tracing failures,failure to plan for a second wave, Golfgate, 2 ministers resigning,U turns every couple of weeks, a taoiseach that doesnt even know how to speak in public (maybe hes retarded or something), A Tanaiste who just plays populist politics, a health minister who doesnt know whats going on in his department.

If i did half the **** ups this lot did Id be sacked on the spot.

These are the biggest joke of a government I have ever seen in my life.

What does it take for the electorate to call for their heads??

They just need to call a GE and get on with letting someone with half a brain manage the country and pandemic.

We have a few Dunnes Stores in our town, one is food only fair enough they need to open, 2 sell both clothing and food again fair enough. Another sells only clothing/homeware and they are staying open by selling tins of quality street and biscuits ffs.

Sierra Oscar · 22-10-2020 03:52PM

Polar101 wrote: »

At least it's not a hugely increased number.

Obvious question is: how many close contacts are being missed, and is that why the positivity rate has decreased?

It's believed between 10,000 and 15,000 close contacts were missed over the weekend due to the 'reset' of the system.

It's obviously going to have an impact on the testing numbers as many of them will never end up going for a test.

Conversely, many cautious people who would be inclined to get a test but may not need one have been contacting GP's looking for tests. GP's have stated that they feel they are obliged to send them forward for a test given the issue with contact tracing over the weekend. This will also skew the testing numbers as many of these will return negative results.

It's a mess. People who don't need testing are getting tested while close contacts have been missed. The numbers are pretty useless at the moment.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/covid-19-contact-tracing-debacle-it-was-a-risk-based-decision-we-had-to-make-hse-ceo-paul-reid-regrets-decision-was-made-to-have-covid-19-patients-inform-their-close-contacts-39653780.html

MerlinSouthDub · 22-10-2020 03:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Compared to the last 14 days yes that's sort of good, but the standards are quite low

The positivity rate is falling exponentially

seamus · 22-10-2020 03:56PM

Polar101 wrote: »

At least it's not a hugely increased number.

Obvious question is: how many close contacts are being missed, and is that why the positivity rate has decreased?

About 10,000 close contacts will have been missed.

We could crunch the numbers on it, but in general if they don't turn up for tests, we should see testing numbers go down and positivity rates go up.

Mass testing can throw that off though. Any impact from these missed contacts should be relatively small and may not even appear in the stats. But we'll see tomorrow and over the weekend anyway.

Good numbers today. In line with what we'd expect if there's a consistent downward trend. Suggests positivity rate could be 4% by Halloween. That's a long way out though.

They're going to be looking under the couch cushions if they want to announce more than 1,100 cases today.

cnocbui · 22-10-2020 03:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We have a few Dunnes Stores in our town, one is food only fair enough they need to open, 2 sell both clothing and food again fair enough. Another sells only clothing/homeware and they are staying open by selling tins of quality street and biscuits ffs.

Good on them.

rovers_runner · 22-10-2020 03:56PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The positivity rate is falling exponentially

The next two weeks are critical...

zinfandel · 22-10-2020 04:00PM

rovers_runner wrote: »

The next two weeks are critical...

pretty sure we have been saying that since March, wearing a bit thin...

Strumms · 22-10-2020 04:01PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

fwiw I'm Irish and I think if your training was paid for by the State, you should have to work X years in the health service, either public or private (where your taxes will be paying it back). When you consider the cost of training a doctor, it's not sustainable at the moment.

I think this happens in Canada and Australia.
If you don't want the strings, pay for the training yourself.

Exactly, The taxpaying citizens are investing big money in you...

It costs just shy of 300,000 euros to fully train a doctor here.

The public are investing this money in YOU to become qualified for to help THEM here, US ...not to help and treat other people in other countries.

If a person rocked up, said in a pre medical college interview... “ yes my plan is to work hard, get qualified and move to Australia !” I want and expect the interview panel to say.. “ ok, thanks for your honesty. As a result of what you have told us however we need to inform you that you are no longer eligible to participate on this course.”

Also on accepting a place on the course there should be a requirement to sign a contract....

“ on successfully completing my degree I commit to remaining fully available for a minimum period of six years to work within the health services in Ireland, i acknowledge now that failure to do so without good reason will make me liable for the reimbursement of the entire cost of the medical degree. “...

We train doctors not just so they become doctors, but so they help people, here....investing money and expertise in them, so they can use those qualities to help US...

If I give my Hyundai dealer 50,000 for a Santa Fe..l I expect to be able to collect it, drive it and own it. Not given away to someone else. Same principle when WE spend OUR money training doctors .

Maybe we’d be having a better reaction to battling covid if we’d done this.

22-10-2020 04:02PM

zinfandel wrote: »

pretty sure we have been saying that since March, wearing a bit thin...

The next 3 weeks are critical...shake things up a bit

Turtwig · 22-10-2020 04:02PM

seamus wrote: »

About 10,000 close contacts will have been missed.

We could crunch the numbers on it, but in general if they don't turn up for tests, we should see testing numbers go down and positivity rates go up.

Why up?
Tests of close contacts are presumably more likely to have positive tests. If these are omitted then if everything else remains more or less the same are you not introducing a bias to tests being less positive than previously?

eigrod · 22-10-2020 04:04PM

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1319279880849162240?s=21

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2020 04:04PM

Strumms wrote: »

We train doctors not just so they become doctors, but so they help people, here....investing money and expertise in them, so they can use those qualities to help US...

If I give my Hyundai dealer 50,000 for a Santa Fe..l I expect to be able to collect it, drive it and own it. Not given away to someone else. Same principle when WE spend OUR money training doctors .

Same should apply to all college degrees. At least partially. Should have to pay Irish taxes for a few years.

Beanybabog · 22-10-2020 04:05PM

I got a call from the contact tracers today to tell me I'm a contact, my husbands test was Monday. They just ask him who his contacts are and what their numbers are. It was actually much more efficent to do it ourselves, me, my kids and friend are already isolated and tested. He was also waiting until today to get his code to upload to the app which is a very long time in my opinion

US2 · 22-10-2020 04:07PM

Great to see the numbers decline. Level 3 restrictions kicking in now

fits · 22-10-2020 04:08PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I got a call from the contact tracers today to tell me I'm a contact, my husbands test was Monday. They just ask him who his contacts are and what their numbers are. It was actually much more efficent to do it ourselves, me, my kids and friend are already isolated and tested. He was also waiting until today to get his code to upload to the app which is a very long time in my opinion

Is he very sick?. Hope you all get over it quickly.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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