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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Level 3 equivalent is the most anywhere else will go for a prolonged period. I think they understand proportionality which unfortunately is lost on NPHET.

    Well I'd hope that if it can be shown that there is a significant drop in cases this week, that common sense prevails and it's realised that it contributed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    manniot2 wrote: »
    No it isnt working, because they arent even at those level of restrictions yet. Come back to me when any country in Europe matches our restrictions.

    Why should we follow suit with regions seeing case numbers dramatically increasing, along with deaths and hospitalisations?

    Do you not think it's better that we take our own initiative to prevent the inevitable that they are seeing instead of following blindly?

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Deaths look to be increasing around Europe again? Nearly 200 in the UK today and nearly 130 in Italy as well as Poland. Kind of makes a bit at ease we bit the bullet to go into level 5 a bit earlier to hopefully avoid these, Belgium looks to be in trouble with hospital numbers.

    Almost 2000 deaths in Europe yesterday, peak in April around 4000-5000 in Europe were dying daily


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Eod100 wrote: »
    There's an asterisk around schools because transmission risk there has not necessarily been established. Why is same health warning not any other setting?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1318944963888119809

    If there's no contact between cases in a restaurant they aren't counted as a cluster.

    I believe they are counted as a cluster for that if there are 4 cases in a school and there's no established contact.


  • Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Yeh I'm beginning to think that myself, for a while I thought maybe we were going overboard because Sweden somehow managed so well despite their outlook on it but now the situations getting so bad in places that opened up their economies such as Argentina where 30,000 people are currently hospitalised or czech republic which has over 4000 in hospital now has changed my opinion on this yet again.

    Given how fast our cases are growing even with the restrictions we had I think we would go the way of those countries rather than Sweden. I dont know what Sweden did so right but it looks like a bit of a fluke at this stage, that they just got lucky rather than the rest of the world overreacting, their success has been replicated in very few places worldwide who took similar relaxed approach to deling with outbreak suppression

    Sweden had a very outdoorsy culture, eg Stockholm has hundreds of little sparsely populated islands and woods people retreat to in late spring and summer, able to get away from each other in little summer cabins. We here tend to congregate together in hoards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,513 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    JDD wrote: »
    I don't really understand why people are surprised that the government have mandated a second lockdown, or are surprised that it is likely we will have a third strict lockdown in mid Jan - Feb once we go down to Level 2/3 over Christmas?

    We know that the R number goes over 1 when restrictions go below Level 4.

    We have a fair idea of how many people will be hospitalised out of positive cases.

    So if the government and NPHET are looking at the number of positive tests over the past two weeks, lets call them Group A, they have a fair idea that there are going to be a certain number of hospital admissions in the next week.

    They also know that Group A have already infected a wider number of people, lets call them Group B, whose have yet to show up as positive tests. The government know that a certain proportion of Group B will be admitted to hospital in 2-3 weeks time.

    Using their models, they must know that present hospital admissions + Group A admissions + Group B admissions - hospital discharges = hospital capacity. So we can't let Group B wander around and infect Group C, as that will mean tents outside hospitals by the start of December.

    It is only logic to expect that a six week lockdown - shorter than the March lockdown, and less buy in by the public, will not reduce daily infections down to single figures as it did in June. If we are lucky, this lockdown will reduce daily infections down to around 100 a day.

    Christmas will be a free for all. There's no point pretending it won't be. There will be some of course who will continue to be sensible and may decide not to be with family on the day or around it, but most will feel like they deserve to celebrate Christmas as normally as possible after the lockdown. That will lead to a spike in infections and I wouldn't be surprised if the R rate went over 2.

    While the R rate may naturally go back down in January, as it is always a quiet month, I think we will be in the same situation as we are now at the end of January and another lockdown will be inevitable. I expect at least one further strict lockdown in May next year, before the vaccine starts to be rolled out.

    Why haven't the HSE increased hospital capacity between June and September? I don't know. I know that an additional hospital bed costs €1m each, when you factor in staff costs and overheads, but I don't think money is the problem. It is probably getting the trained staff. You can't go poaching indonesian nurses like we would in normal times. It takes four years to train a nurse, they can't be magicked up.

    So that is where we are. The sooner we accept it, the less traumatic it will be.

    You've hit the nail on the head there. People's shock at the prospect of another lockdown is bewildering to me - it's been on the cards for a while now.

    People being angry about MM saying other lockdowns are possible, even probable, until a vaccine or a breakthrough in treatment becomes available is totally nonsensical: that is reality, for all his many faults, I'm glad someone amongst our political class said it finally.

    And how people continue to overlook the basic fact that you can throw money at all the hospital beds you want but it won't make much difference if you don't have the trained staff required - and you can't train all those staff in six months.

    People complaining about the contact tracing - not that there isn't grounds for criticism - and why it wasn't ramped up to deal with any eventuality... I suppose the HSE was like the rest of us in the country: they thought the worst was over. Society thought the worst was over. The media thought the worst was over, the government thought the worst was over - nobody wanted to hear about Covid and future lockdowns during late summer, even going into September. Nobody. There was a complete complacency everywhere about the continuing risk. This thread was full of it.

    And there's still complacency: there was a huge outbreak where I am from, all linked to GAA final celebrations - and even know some people aren't answering the phone when they get the call telling them that they are a close contact, or they aren't going for tests or they aren't restricting their movements etc, etc - it's a shyteshow - and it all comes down to a lack of personal responsibility and care. People like apportioning blame elsewhere - ah the government, the HSE, NPHET - but the main driver of this is people not being careful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Almost 2000 deaths in Europe yesterday, peak in April around 4000-5000 in Europe were dying daily

    Hopefully we don't get back to that point in the future, I can see more countries imposing more restrictions soon. All it takes is one country to do it and the others will probably follow suit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Deaths look to be increasing around Europe again? Nearly 200 in the UK today and nearly 130 in Italy as well as Poland. Kind of makes a bit at ease we bit the bullet to go into level 5 a bit earlier to hopefully avoid these, Belgium looks to be in trouble with hospital numbers.

    Maybe put some proportional view on it rather than "People are dying"

    In the UK in early April 1100 people a day were dying, Today the 7 day average is 135.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    If there's no contact between cases in a restaurant they aren't counted as a cluster.

    I believe they are counted as a cluster for that if there are 4 cases in a school and there's no established contact.

    I can understand the same rational applying to other settings. I mean why the data for schools is specifically labelled with that asterisk while everywhere else isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    OwenM wrote: »
    Maybe put some proportional view on it rather than "People are dying"

    In the UK in early April 1100 people a day were dying, Today the 7 day average is 135.

    And? It is growing isn't it? Once it starts spreading more it reaches the older ages. There was most likely x5 or x10 the cases in the UK during April that weren't being counted. That is a point we don't want to go back too


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    OwenM wrote: »
    Maybe put some proportional view on it rather than "People are dying"

    In the UK in early April 1100 people a day were dying, Today the 7 day average is 135.

    The point is it's a pretty rapid growth regardless of what occurred in April

    By the end of the week the 7 day average UK deaths will be around 200, a month ago it was 10 per day

    It has already exceeded worst case scenario which predicted UK seeing 100 covid deaths daily by late October


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    1039 more cases and 5 deaths in NI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    1039 more cases and 5 deaths.
    northern Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    1039 more cases and 5 deaths.
    Isn’t that Northern Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    1039 more cases and 5 deaths.

    You would need to give a very good source with that if you expect me to believe Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland have the exact same case numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    northern Ireland

    Correct and right, edited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,807 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    1167 and 3 deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,807 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    263 in Dublin, 142 in Meath, 137 in Cork, 86 in Cavan and the remaining 539 cases are spread across all remaining counties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    From my younger sibling's Politics class in school:

    Jesus, that teacher has some agenda :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,807 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    They are absolutely not an issue, 10000% safe....

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1318938915244548096?s=19

    It's under control. The Gardaí stopping and hassling truck drivers and telling them to turn around will sort out the COVID cases in schools.

    Another one of their "**** Business" policies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,393 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    From my younger sibling's Politics class in school:

    Can you forward that to George Lee?


  • Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's an absolute joke but just on the issue of people being too sick, would that not be an issue anyway as they wouldn't be able to take the call from contact tracers in the first place?

    If you are that sick you need to summons medical help. When the oxygen saturation drops in your blood below 90 you start becoming disorientated and unable to think rationally as I have experienced. It goes beyond your call to do anything other than summons an ambulance for yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    So situation stabilised without going to Level 5, hopefully cases will plummet fast with L5 and we can drop back to L4 after a few weeks and then L3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    So just 62 backlog cases added in today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    hopefully we have reached the peak now & the numbers will start to go down.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    So situation stabilised without going to Level 5, hopefully cases will plummet fast with L5 and we can drop back to L4 after a few weeks and then L3.

    It's far from stable yet


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Cant believe what's happening in Italy. Flipped the lid so feckin fast, really seemed like they had a good handle on it up until very very recently.The derioration is extremely rapid, not all that dissimilar to March really. When 1 in 3 people in a country is elderly you don't really stand a chance though with covid

    Remember here 1-2 months ago - "Italy have all pubs and cafes open and are doing fine... why can't we follow them"


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