Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Lillyfae wrote: »

I would expect the person making the claim to supply the evidence.

Yeah what defines a close contact has been changing constantly, as well as contact tracers completely refusing many close contacts that would be close contacts in any other setting (not just that it's specific or broad but wrong). I believe I actually have sent you the studies indicating different symptoms in children and other problems that shows how broken the system is in its current state. This whole thread is littered with teachers talking about how unsystematic the department is about it and how little local knowledge is applied. Also for the most part the onus is on the person who wishes to prove schools are safe rather than that they are dangerous.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Fair enough. I only said it's there to be read.

See this is where not actually being in the country or aware of what is happening in schools clouds your point of view.

Those two things are only connected by the fact that you’ve put them in the same post.

It’s hard not knowing everything, but to ignore what we do know and refuse to accept it because you don’t want to or don’t understand it demonstrates that people’s opinions are not the basis on which any decision should be made.

8k71ps wrote: »

Yeah what defines a close contact has been changing constantly, as well as contact tracers completely refusing many close contacts that would be close contacts in any other setting (not just that it's specific or broad but wrong). I believe I actually have sent you the studies indicating different symptoms in children and other problems that shows how broken the system is in its current state. This whole thread is littered with teachers talking about how unsystematic the department is about it and how little local knowledge is applied. Also for the most part the onus is on the person who wishes to prove schools are safe rather than that they are dangerous.

I asked you for the criteria for contacts in schools vs the rest of society. We know that contact tracing has broken down but this isn’t just in schools, it’s everywhere.

Thats me wrote: »

OK, there was exponential growth of new cases over this period.
To make comparison more objective, i went to https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-todays-data-geographic-distribution-covid-19-cases-worldwide , downloaded there XLS with case stats, filtered data for Ireland only and took sum of new cases (field "Case" in the sheet) for last 7 days * 8 weeks = 56 days. The sum was 24055 or 0.5% from whole population.

School-related tests you have referred are still times higher than nation-wide averages.

For the love of god, you need to look at the number of tests carried out, not the population of the country!!

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What am I not accepting? Be interesting to hear what you come out with.

that schools are pure magic

Lillyfae wrote: »

That the positivity rate in schools, based on the information we have, is not alarming.

how can we possibly know what the actual positivity rate is? schools arnt being tested correctly, they keep changing the criteria for contact tracing in schools.

We got an email last week that the our kids school had a positive case. Close contacts of the child/teacher would be contacted and given further advise. If we didnt hear anything we were advised to send our children to school as normal. I heard nothing further and I sent my kids to school as normal. The following day I heard that 2 classes were off school which would suggest there was more than one case. We have heard nothing more from the school - they never even communicated what classes were affected. We had to find that info out through mammy gossip. As of today there are over 60 children off school ( between the 2 classes involved). I couldnt tell you though the amount of children that have covid tested positive- it could be 1 child or it could be 60 children. Surely it would make sense for the school to be able to communicate to parents how many confirmed cases there is. Some of these children travel on buses - Ive heard the bus driver wasnt even told. As you can imagine the mammy gossip is in overdrive because of this but nobody knows the truth. Some are even saying the positive case is a teacher.

Personally I feel the child/teacher should be named. There is no shame in getting covid - it could happen any one of us. If we knew the positive cases we could decide for ourselves if our child was in contact. There is no social distancing happening outside the school gate! It is also worrying that the contact tracing system is not working. I understand that the school has done nothing wrong ( they are doing an excellent job) but the amount of info they can give out is ridiculous and will lead to spread.

Lillyfae wrote: »

I’m not picking any argument with you.

So then where did I say what you claim I did?

Deeec wrote: »

We got an email last week that the our kids school had a positive case. Close contacts of the child/teacher would be contacted and given further advise. If we didnt hear anything we were advised to send our children to school as normal. I heard nothing further and I sent my kids to school as normal. The following day I heard that 2 classes were off school which would suggest there was more than one case. We have heard nothing more from the school - they never even communicated what classes were affected. We had to find that info out through mammy gossip. As of today there are over 60 children off school ( between the 2 classes involved). I couldnt tell you though the amount of children that have covid tested positive- it could be 1 child or it could be 60 children. Surely it would make sense for the school to be able to communicate to parents how many confirmed cases there is. Some of these children travel on buses - Ive heard the bus driver wasnt even told. As you can imagine the mammy gossip is in overdrive because of this but nobody knows the truth. Some are even saying the positive case is a teacher.

Personally I feel the child/teacher should be named. There is no shame in getting covid - it could happen any one of us. If we knew the positive cases we could decide for ourselves if our child was in contact. There is no social distancing happening outside the school gate! It is also worrying that the contact tracing system is not working. I understand that the school has done nothing wrong ( they are doing an excellent job) but the amount of info they can give out is ridiculous and will lead to spread.

An information vacuum will always be filled. Lack of information is a huge issue across the board with this. Communication issues across the board leads to mistrust of what is being said. Gaps in the information due to GDPR in a school setting means we always question what we are told. I'm guilty of this myself at times.

Anyone ever have a child come home with a bug and then the whole family got it?
If so how is this virus different?

Lillyfae wrote: »

I asked you for the criteria for contacts in schools vs the rest of society. We know that contact tracing has broken down but this isn’t just in schools, it’s everywhere.

Ironicilly enough contact tracing has broken down because there has been such an increase in cases and such an increase in contacts of those cases.
If people want contact tracing to work, contacts need to be reduced for everyone.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

An information vacuum will always be filled. Lack of information is a huge issue across the board with this. Communication issues across the board leads to mistrust of what is being said. Gaps in the information due to GDPR in a school setting means we always question what we are told. I'm guilty of this myself at times.

You are exactly right. In the absence of information people draw there own conclusions ( which is nearly always wrong). Its like chinese whispers - people are spreading information that is completely untrue. If we are going to beat covid GDPR needs to be relaxed.

JP100 wrote: »

46 identified outbreaks of Covid in schools last week, that's a pretty high number.

Is it?
There were close to 9000 actual cases of Covid last week.
Assuing even each of those 46 outbreaks took in 10 people (which is doubtful) 500 out of 9000 cases isn't a major percentage.
Again its down to keeping the cases down everywhere - cases is schools will be lower as well.

eagle eye wrote: »

Anyone ever have a child come home with a bug and then the whole family got it?
If so how is this virus different?

Is anyone saying it isn't different?
It's a contageous virus. Keeping the virus out of schools in the first place is the main aim and to do that it has to be reduced within the community.