Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

dmakc · 21-10-2020 04:31PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

There’s also an element in level 5 to review in a few weeks if it improves

Even if we were <200/day in 4 weeks they will not open things up

GazzaL · 21-10-2020 04:32PM

Fair play to the Gardaí for hassling truck drivers doing essential work.

fritzelly · 21-10-2020 04:32PM

D.Q wrote: »

is there anything to be said for another leaflet?

Still waiting on the first one to arrive...

polesheep · 21-10-2020 04:33PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Why don't you swap jobs with her for a while? Go into the hospital and do a few weeks in the ICU or on the Covid ward. She can take a rest and you can see how you feel about things mid November. How bout it?

I haven't heard anyone who works in ICU or a Covid ward complaining about people shopping.

21-10-2020 04:34PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

I think (as per stories in the media) system has been overwhelmed, so figures will not reflect course of outbreak any longer.

If that is the case and there's no biases in terms of who is getting into system from the community (i.e. as a "close contact") for a test I think I might expect case numbers and positivity rates from testing system to stay constant for a while regardless of what is actually happening.

Would I be wrong about this?

The positivity rate & daily detected case numbers may go up again later on [if the level 5 fails & the outbreak grows further].

If close contacts are not being referred, positive rate should rise, as symptomatics would form a larger proportion of those being tested, and would also be more likely to return positive result. This will become apparent in the data within days, and has potential to reverse the positive trend in the positive rate

polesheep · 21-10-2020 04:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If close contacts are not being referred, positive rate should rise, as symptomatics would form a larger proportion of those being tested, and would also be more likely to return positive result. This will become apparent in the data within days, and has potential to reverse the positive trend in the positive rate

That's interesting and makes me wonder what any of these numbers really tell us about what is actually happening in terms of population infection.

batman_oh · 21-10-2020 04:37PM

polesheep wrote: »

This type of comment is really starting to piss me off. There is an extraordinary level of compliance with mask wearing. It has been months since I last saw someone in a retail situation not wearing a mask.

I saw about 15 teenagers outside the shops the other night going into the chipper/spar etc with zero masks

Goldengirl · 21-10-2020 04:37PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

I think (as per stories in the media) system has been overwhelmed, so figures will not reflect course of outbreak any longer.

If that is the case and there's no biases in terms of who is getting into system from the community (i.e. as a "close contact") for a test I think I might expect case numbers and positivity rates from testing system to stay constant for a while regardless of what is actually happening.

Would I be wrong about this?

The positivity rate & daily detected case numbers may go up again later on [if the level 5 fails & the outbreak grows further].

Yes .
If inadequate contact tracing then those people will not go for tests .
Aymptomatic spread will continue unabated as only those with symptoms will go to be tested and isolate .
So starting a lockdown basically with no idea of real numbers going forward if this issue is not sorted quickly .
Back to March here

mloc123 · 21-10-2020 04:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, 1100+ more infected people all now ringing their friends and family

And to think... if those 1100 people had just followed the guidance from the past couple of weeks... they would have nobody to phone.

Gruffalux · 21-10-2020 04:37PM

polesheep wrote: »

I haven't heard anyone who works in ICU or a Covid ward complaining about people shopping.

Telling someone who works in a hospital these days to chill out is just stupid.

Away With The Fairies · 21-10-2020 04:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes .
If inadequate contact tracing then those people will not go for tests .
Aymptomatic spread will continue unabated as only those with symptoms will go to be tested and isolate .
So starting a lockdown basically with no idea of real numbers going forward if this issue is not sorted quickly .
Back to March here

How can this be fixed if there's asymptomatics walking around?

polesheep · 21-10-2020 04:39PM

batman_oh wrote: »

I saw about 15 teenagers outside the shops the other night going into the chipper/spar etc with zero masks

You must have been stalking them.

stephenjmcd · 21-10-2020 04:39PM

They are absolutely not an issue, 10000% safe....

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1318938915244548096?s=19

21-10-2020 04:39PM

polesheep wrote: »

That's interesting and makes me wonder what any of these numbers really tell us about what is actually happening in terms of population infection.

All the numbers are only indicative and have varying degrees of accuracy

polesheep · 21-10-2020 04:40PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Telling someone who works in a hospital these days to chill out is just stupid.

Why? I know lots of people working in hospitals and they are not any busier or more stressed than normal. The hospitals have not been overwhelmed you know.

That said, telling anyone to chill out is probably stupid.

jammiedodgers · 21-10-2020 04:42PM

D.Q wrote: »

is there anything to be said for another leaflet?

I thought the last one went very well.

Goldengirl · 21-10-2020 04:42PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Slow down on the dramatics there, you'll give yourself severe anxiety...

No drama . No anxiety .
Reality , and just trying to get that message across to some who don't get it .
Obviously a waste of time with some..

Maxpfizer · 21-10-2020 04:42PM

polesheep wrote: »

This type of comment is really starting to piss me off. There is an extraordinary level of compliance with mask wearing. It has been months since I last saw someone in a retail situation not wearing a mask.

I can only speak for places in and around Dublin but I've seen people not wearing masks in the city in retail situations already this week never mind the last few months.

Two major supermarket chains with shops in the city center have their own staff not wearing masks properly on the weekend just past and yesterday morning. One with the mask on under her nose (nose not covered) the other entering the store (from break I assume) with NO mask on and then walking around with mask worn under her chin.

Yeah, there is a high level of compliance but there are LOADS of people also simply not obeying.

Check out the top deck on any Dublin bus you see driving past.
Or have a look the next time you see the LUAS going by.

PLENTY of people not giving a damn.

Blanco100 · 21-10-2020 04:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They are absolutely not an issue, 10000% safe....

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1318938915244548096?s=19

The government/NPHET know keeping them in school is probably safer than the carry on when schools were closed when parents just let them wander the streets rather than keep them inside during a pandemic.

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 04:42PM

Presume there's no NPHET briefing tonight as there was one yesterday?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-10-2020 04:44PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Presume there's no NPHET briefing tonight as there was one yesterday?

Presumably. They are usually Monday and Friday. The Monday one got moved to Tuesday this week to make space for the government address Monday evening.

21-10-2020 04:45PM

mloc123 wrote: »

And to think... if those 1100 people had just followed the guidance from the past couple of weeks... they would have nobody to phone.

The idea that the only way to get this is to break the guidelines really needs to go in the bin.

seamus · 21-10-2020 04:45PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

I think (as per stories in the media) system has been overwhelmed, so figures will not reflect course of outbreak any longer.

Apparently this "do the tracing yourself" initiative is a temporary thing.

It's probably a form of amnesty; a realisation that if they don't do this, then the entire system will be backlogged by a week or more. So better to let this 2,000 effectively fall through the cracks rather than incur delays in the next 10,000.

If the HSE is to be believed, they're back on top of the case load.

Big "If".

21-10-2020 04:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They are absolutely not an issue, 10000% safe....

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1318938915244548096?s=19

In the same 7 days the schools clusters doubled, overall cases increased by 64%. Not unexpected given it started from a low number

mloc123 · 21-10-2020 04:46PM

AdamD wrote: »

The idea that the only way to get this is to break the guidelines really needs to go in the bin.

They specifically said friends and family... Under the guidelines you shouldn't have visited those right?

Hellrazer · 21-10-2020 04:47PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Did you read my post or just the first line ?

"Happy Christmas kids, glad you got your toys from Santa and hope you are enjoying Christmas with your Auntie .
Sorry I can't be there with you but the nurses are looking after me well here in ICU and are sending this message to you.
Sorry no pictures but not too festive here at the moment ..."
How's that for a bit of perspective ?
Sorry if it's too harsh for you !

How about

Happy Christmas Kids
The 3 evil elves (Micheal ,Stephen and Tony) wouldnt allow me to go shopping for the toys you wanted because they closed the shops since they havent a clue what theyre doing and want us to keep locking down every few months.
Your auntie from down the road isnt allowed visit this Christmas since shes 6 km away and they`ll only allow people 5 km away to visit.
But look we`re looking after the few people in hospital and the even lesser few in ICU but "we`re all in it together" so maybe next Christmas you`ll get what you wanted if the grinches dont lock down next year aswell.

Maxpfizer · 21-10-2020 04:49PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Numbers will be reduced if they are depending on people to tell there own contacts to get a test !
Can't see that working , especially with the level of compliance you detail in your post .
And by the way , most people were compliant with the 1 st lockdown.

Most people were compliant, yes. I know that. The streets were deserted for the first few weeks.

We got the numbers down and then the advice was to wear masks and be careful and follow some guidelines and now we are where we are today.

Anyone walking down Grafton Street on a Friday or Saturday evening over the last 2 months would have been able to see the inevitable second lockdown coming from a mile away.

Even down to little things like buskers starting up a song and getting crowds gathered around them that people just trying to walk down the street would have to push through.

theballz · 21-10-2020 04:51PM

Plenty of gyms in the country refusing to close. I don't think this "lockdown" going the way the government would like it to.

Goldengirl · 21-10-2020 04:51PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How can this be fixed if there's asymptomatics walking around?

Hopefully they won't be with level 5 .
But you still have the schools open ...

Savage_Henry · 21-10-2020 04:53PM

What does the "emergency basis only" means? I guess we as a computer repair shop just stay open as usual?

Outlets providing electrical, information and communications technology and telephone sales, repair and maintenance services for places of residence and businesses, on an emergency basis only

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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