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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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    #2792
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    I understand your point about allegations. What i want to know is if you apply this universally.

    If a FF/FG TD was pictured socializing with a Kinnahan with no criminal convictions, would you be ok with that?

    I'd want more information on the level of association jh79.

    I don't convict on the basis of allegations, like some do.

    Read my posts...if I reference Dublin-Monaghan bombings, I will always be careful to say that it was possibly carried out with the 'alleged collusion by British forces' for example.


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    #2793
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I'd want more information on the level of association jh79.

    A FG xmas party? That's were the Murphy took his associates.


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    #2794
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    Read my posts...if I reference Dublin-Monaghan bombings, I will always be careful to say that it was possibly carried out with the 'alleged collusion by British forces'

    So for this example, you wouldn't have an issue with MLA's associating with those alleged to be involved until a conviction was obtained?


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    #2795
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    So for this example, you wouldn't have an issue with MLA's associating with those alleged to be involved until a conviction was obtained?

    MLA's do associate with those alleged to be involved in collusion...have you ever seen a post of mine calling for them to be chucked out of their parties?

    No, you haven't. (To save you searching)


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    #2796
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    It's clear the IRA weren't involved in the killing of Paul Quinn, what is not clear is that some of the tens of thousands of people who have been through the IRAs ranks over the years were not involved.

    The whole talk about the IRA not being involved is semantics.

    Sure the IRA was not involved in the Kingsmill massacre either according to some as it was not ordered by HQ, yet we all know the PIRA carried it out.....

    We all know that the local PIRA crew and their murderous thugs killed Paul Quinlan. It may not have been sanctioned by HQ, yet these men walk about freely while those in SF and the IRA know and have evidence that could secure a conviction, yet they choose not to do so, because you know 'Good' republicans.....


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    #2797
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    MLA's do associate with those alleged to be involved in collusion...have you ever seen a post of mine calling for them to be chucked out of their parties?

    No, you haven't. (To save you searching)

    Fair enough. What about in the Republic? Is it ok for TD's to socalize with suspected criminals?


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    #2798
    Nobotty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    jh79 wrote: »
    Fair enough. What about in the Republic? Is it ok for TD's to socalize with suspected criminals?

    Its not illegal
    But its also not a good look


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    #2799
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,302 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I'd want more information on the level of association jh79.

    I don't convict on the basis of allegations, like some do.

    Read my posts...if I reference Dublin-Monaghan bombings, I will always be careful to say that it was possibly carried out with the 'alleged collusion by British forces' for example.

    I seem to remember you calling for Drew Harris to be removed based on the allegation that he would be compromised by what he knows in relation to the Dublin-Monaghan bombings.


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    #2800
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,302 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    markodaly wrote: »
    Oh, its PIRA bingo again is it?

    I can smell it in the water that the term 'West Brit' will be along shortly.

    You partitionist, you.


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    #2801
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,302 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    It's clear the IRA weren't involved in the killing of Paul Quinn, what is not clear is that some of the tens of thousands of people who have been through the IRAs ranks over the years were not involved.

    Off-duty IRA men?

    Were they involved?


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    #2802
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Fair enough. What about in the Republic? Is it ok for TD's to socalize with suspected criminals?

    WTF.

    I have just made it clear that I do not make judgements just because an allegation has been made.
    I am not a judge.

    I abhorred and condemned kangaroo courts and shoot to kill and internment policies.

    I don't want a society based on that.


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    #2803
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    markodaly wrote: »
    The whole talk about the IRA not being involved is semantics.

    Sure the IRA was not involved in the Kingsmill massacre either according to some as it was not ordered by HQ, yet we all know the PIRA carried it out.....

    We all know that the local PIRA crew and their murderous thugs killed Paul Quinlan. It may not have been sanctioned by HQ, yet these men walk about freely while those in SF and the IRA know and have evidence that could secure a conviction, yet they choose not to do so, because you know 'Good' republicans.....

    Alan Black a protestant, the only survivor of Kingsmill, believes that IRA members involved in the massacre were double agents working for the British state.

    He believes there was a "cover up" and that British security forces knew the massacre was going to happen but allowed it to. Karen Armstrong, sister of victim John McConville, said: "A lot of people were being protected back then and they still are". It has been suggested that the gunman with the English accent could have been British Intelligence officer Robert Nairac.

    John Weir, a former RUC officer and member of the "Glenanne gang", claims he discovered that British Intelligence, through Nairac, was "playing republican and loyalist paramilitaries off against each other".


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    #2804
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Off-duty IRA men?

    Were they involved?

    More along the lines of retired since the IRA had already disbanded two years earlier.


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    #2805
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I seem to remember you calling for Drew Harris to be removed based on the allegation that he would be compromised by what he knows in relation to the Dublin-Monaghan bombings.

    Not an allegation sadly.

    He is compromised because he is sworn to secrecy by another outside government. That should have precluded him from interview IMO.


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    #2806
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    WTF.

    I have just made it clear that I do not make judgements just because an allegation has been made.
    I am not a judge.

    I abhorred and condemned kangaroo courts and shoot to kill and internment policies.

    I don't want a society based on that.

    We are not talking sending people to prison or knee capping .

    Should politicians associate with suspected criminals? Yes or no?

    Kinahans at a FF/FG xmas party wouldn't concern you?


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    #2807
    grayzer75
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    markodaly wrote: »
    The whole talk about the IRA not being involved is semantics.

    Sure the IRA was not involved in the Kingsmill massacre either according to some as it was not ordered by HQ, yet we all know the PIRA carried it out.....

    We all know that the local PIRA crew and their murderous thugs killed Paul Quinlan. It may not have been sanctioned by HQ, yet these men walk about freely while those in SF and the IRA know and have evidence that could secure a conviction, yet they choose not to do so, because you know 'Good' republicans.....

    How exactly do you know?
    How do you know who has evidence and what that evidence is?

    As said many times before the horrific Paul Quinn incident wasn't just about a punch up, it was about the loss of laundered fuel, trucks, money, etc. They were all involved in it together and I'm sure a lot of them still are.

    The cops both sides of the border know who was involved but don't have any evidence to back it up so nothing will happen unless somebody who was at the scene testifies.


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    #2808
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    We are not talking sending people to prison or knee capping .

    Should politicians associate with suspected criminals? Yes or no?

    Kinahans at a FF/FG xmas party wouldn't concern you?

    Ideally of course they shouldn't.

    But you started this by demanding that action should be taken by SF.

    My argument is you can't take action on foot of allegations.


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    #2809
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    grayzer75 wrote: »
    How exactly do you know?
    How do you know who has evidence and what that evidence is?

    As said many times before the horrific Paul Quinn incident wasn't just about a punch up, it was about the loss of laundered fuel, trucks, money, etc. They were all involved in it together and I'm sure a lot of them still are.

    The cops both sides of the border know who was involved but don't have any evidence to back it up so nothing will happen unless somebody who was at the scene testifies.

    It's standard when someone who was once in the IRA commits or is suspected of any crime at all it gets blamed on the IRA/SF


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    #2810
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    jh79 wrote: »
    Fair enough. What about in the Republic? Is it ok for TD's to socalize with suspected criminals?

    What do you mean by suspected criminals


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    #2811
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What about the IMC and the PSNI? They know too. Is there any onus on them to act?

    The IRA were not involved in any organisational way, making this an ordinary criminal act.

    Because of course if the IRA were involved in an "organisational way" (whatever that means - though I expect it relates to their usual capacity to lie their way out if it suits) it wouldn't be a criminal act but a noble and necessary part of the "conflict/war" that is a free pass for whatever you like


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    #2812
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I will accept that when it is proved in a court of law.

    I have no idea, as I have always said, who robbed the Northern Bank, just as I have no idea who killed Paul Quinn.


    And here is Francie earlier on today

    "The locals all know and so do I."

    If you are going to lie try to at least apply some minimum intelligence and don't brazenly lie in the same thread on the same day


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    #2813
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Because of course if the IRA were involved in an "organisational way" (whatever that means - though I expect it relates to their usual capacity to lie their way out if it suits) it wouldn't be a criminal act but a noble and necessary part of the "conflict/war" that is a free pass for whatever you like

    No, had the IRA been involved as an organisation it would have been a serious breach of the GFA.

    Not that hard a concept to grasp Truth.


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    #2814
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I will accept that when it is proved in a court of law.

    I have no idea, as I have always said, who robbed the Northern Bank, just as I have no idea who killed Paul Quinn.


    And here is Francie earlier on today

    "The locals all know and so do I."

    If you are going to lie try to at least apply some minimum intelligence and don't brazenly lie in the same thread on the same day

    I know the 'name' been bandied about Truth. Pay attention.


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    #2815
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No, had the IRA been involved as an organisation it would have been a serious breach of the GFA.

    Not that hard a concept to grasp Truth.

    Which explains why they lied their way out of it


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    #2816
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Which explains why they lied their way out of it

    What?


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    #2817
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Truthvader wrote: »

    I know the 'name' been bandied about Truth. Pay attention.

    Read your own post


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    #2818
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,284 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »

    Read your own post

    I wrote it.

    I am not a court of law. I know the name being bandied about as do the locals.

    p.s. please learn to use the quote function properly.


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    #2819
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No, had the IRA been involved as an organisation it would have been a serious breach of the GFA.

    Not that hard a concept to grasp Truth.

    It was clearly a local issue, whether some of the people involved in the killing used to be in the IRA or not does it really matter?


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    #2820
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,986 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I see SF supporting gym owners and their defying lockdown..

    They really are mischievous.. been talking out of both sides their mouths since day 1..

    Their greatest contribution during the pandemic: more money for people.


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    #2821
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    walshb wrote: »
    I see SF supporting gym owners and their defying lockdown..

    They really are mischievous.. been talking out of both sides their mouths since day 1..

    Their greatest contribution during the pandemic: more money for people.

    I see we have another crazed covid maniac, probably sleeps with his face mask on and walks around wearing leather gloves.


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