Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

21-10-2020 02:58PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Provided the course is within your 5km?

Yes. Difficult to justify it as essential! Unless you’re a minister or judge

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 02:59PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

It’s the antisocial right wing nazi types that are holding us back. I’d hold them down while they get tested, for free, I could dust off my black belt and put some manners on them as we round them up. Hopefully 2021 or 2022 will be year zero covid.

Keyboard warrior.

Martina1991 · 21-10-2020 02:59PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Presumably the vast majority of people working in contact tracing are not public health doctors/specialists?
But is a lot of the problem there then that the specialists are doing the administrative tasks that could be performed by others with minimal training if only they were being staffed properly?
Taking phone calls, updating someone's personal details and their "tree" of close contacts and then contacting those people is surely something the specialists should not have to do given their other duties? And given the numbers that volunteered for Ireland on Call this would seem like woeful management by HSE resourcing.
Would you agree with that or do you think the scale of the issue is just unmanageable at this stage?

I dont know what the breakdown is between public health specific employees and those who were recruited specifically for contact tracing.
My point was, its far more detailed and complicated that getting people to work from home and make a few calls.
It is the fault of the HSE for not properly addressing chronic understaffing in public health departments.

TonyMaloney · 21-10-2020 03:00PM

With regards golf, lads, try to view it through the eyes of someone living in a block of flats with f all accessible amenities for the next six weeks.
What will it do for compliance if there's a common view that the lockdown favours the wealthy not just in terms of economic impacts, but even in terms of what they can avail of during the "lockdown".

whisky_galore · 21-10-2020 03:03PM

Latest from HSE: make and do your own ventilator with common household items.

Kh1993 · 21-10-2020 03:04PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

With regards golf, lads, try to view it through the eyes of someone living in a block of flats with f all accessible amenities for the next six weeks.
What will it do for compliance if there's a common view that the lockdown favours the wealthy not just in terms of economic impacts, but even in terms of what they can avail of during the "lockdown".

Good point. Lockdown from a logistical point of view is handy enough if you’ve a decent house, garden, family life and can comfortably work from home. Whereas if you’re in a service industry, living in a flat/apartment/sharing, you lose out disproportionately.

Sheepdish1 · 21-10-2020 03:07PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

FAR more complex than people realise. It isn't like a call centre. People making the calls are the point of contact the public have with the system so they think that's all there is to it.

There's managment, surveillance, clinical advice, data reporting, and supervising of all these tasks from nursing homes to universities to businesses to schools.

The areas of healthcare that aren't patient facing are often brushed aside, kept in the dark and neglected until they break.

There is a complete lack of knowledge and understanding from the public about these areas behind the scenes. It's very easy to comment and critisise on professions people know nothing about.

It is the fault of the HSE and the minister for health for sweeping these departments under the rug for years and not listening to their long standing concerns.

It has come back to bite them big time and we are all the ones who suffer.

Completely agree it is very complex and those roles could only be filled by someone qualified to do these roles. However there are surely roles that can be carried out by people eg administrative duties? How could volunteers participate in the process if this isn’t the case or did did specialist volunteer their time?

I heard reports last week that contracts being offered are zero hour contracts which is baffling particularly if so many of the duties require specialists.

AlphaDelta1 · 21-10-2020 03:08PM

My daughter just texted me to say she's never seen it so busy in the Jervis centre Dublin. She works retail and has seen it all but nothing like this. Gardai where outside Penny's this morning on Henry Street due to crowd issues. Also said mask wearing seems to have gone out the window.

I despair for our society when people can be this stupid.

ednwireland · 21-10-2020 03:09PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

Good point. Lockdown from a logistical point of view is handy enough if you’ve a decent house, garden, family life and can comfortably work from home. Whereas if you’re in a service industry, living in a flat/apartment/sharing, you lose out disproportionately.

guess who the rules are made by

Sheepdish1 · 21-10-2020 03:09PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

I dont know what the breakdown is between public health specific employees and those who were recruited specifically for contact tracing.
My point was, its far more detailed and complicated that getting people to work from home and make a few calls.
It is the fault of the HSE for not properly addressing chronic understaffing in public health departments.

People understand that it’s not the department that has caused the problem. It’s the chronic understaffing and resources.

Doctors room ghost · 21-10-2020 03:10PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

My daughter just texted me to say she's never seen it so busy in the Jervis centre Dublin. She works retail and has seen it all but nothing like this. Gardai where outside Penny's this morning on Henry Street due to crowd issues. Also said mask wearing seems to have gone out the window.

I despair for our society when people can be this stupid.

One should never underestimate the stupidity of others

Golfman64 · 21-10-2020 03:12PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

With regards golf, lads, try to view it through the eyes of someone living in a block of flats with f all accessible amenities for the next six weeks.
What will it do for compliance if there's a common view that the lockdown favours the wealthy not just in terms of economic impacts, but even in terms of what they can avail of during the "lockdown".

Public Parks will remain open. I don't see much of a difference whether you meet someone for a walk in a park or a walk around a golf course provided both are within 5KM of your home.

ixoy · 21-10-2020 03:12PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

My daughter just texted me to say she's never seen it so busy in the Jervis centre Dublin. She works retail and has seen it all but nothing like this.

These people understand that you can still order most of this stuff online right? That Smyths will also have a click-and-collect for example, which - to be fair - they Tweet about.

It's not even like some of this should be a surprise. I went into town last Monday and did a good chunk of shopping on the assumption things would close (it was lovely and quiet too). Perhaps though I'm better informed/organised than others?

Paddygreen · 21-10-2020 03:13PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

With regards golf, lads, try to view it through the eyes of someone living in a block of flats with f all accessible amenities for the next six weeks.
What will it do for compliance if there's a common view that the lockdown favours the wealthy not just in terms of economic impacts, but even in terms of what they can avail of during the "lockdown".

And where are our movers, landlords, shakers, judges, experts and leaders supposed to wind down with the lads? Obviously those in a grotty block of flats couldn’t afford membership anyway so they will have to make do with things more befitting their station such as tv. Word on the street in Dalkey is that Fair City is going to be repeated from episode one to keep the huddled masses calm for the duration of the lockdown, so they will be grand.

Hqrry113 · 21-10-2020 03:13PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

One should never underestimate the stupidity of others

The real stupid ones are the ones going on like Covid is like something out of the walking dead and it's gonna wipe us all out, Covid is just a worse version of the flu.

mloc123 · 21-10-2020 03:14PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Public Parks will remain open. I don't see much of a difference whether you meet someone for a walk in a park or a walk around a golf course provided both are within 5KM of your home.

It isn't the 18 holes that are the issue...

Goldengirl · 21-10-2020 03:14PM

nthclare wrote: »

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

This..would be my thinking .
The 2km rule really freaked me out and while 5 km is ok for me it would stop a lot of people going to the coast or the mountains to get fresh air and exercise.
Is it not worse to have people milling around in heavily populated areas rather than national parks or coastal areas where there aren't so many people ?
I appreciate that city coastal areas don't want crowds descending during level 5 , but am talking about those other more empty areas , to recharge and refresh .
If you go for a spin to an empty beach or woodland and don't interact with anyone , I don't see the problem .

Golfman64 · 21-10-2020 03:15PM

mloc123 wrote: »

It isn't the 18 holes that are the issue...

What is? Clubhouses and Pro Shops will be closed anyway.

Champagne Sally · 21-10-2020 03:17PM

Any news on the swab numbers for today yet?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-10-2020 03:17PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

Any news on the swab numbers for today yet?

Not on the dashboard yet.

Paddygreen · 21-10-2020 03:19PM

mloc123 wrote: »

It isn't the 18 holes that are the issue...

The holes can be sanatised with a drop of bleach.

Widdensushi · 21-10-2020 03:19PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

For anyone who thinks golfing is safe in these times, just ask poor Phil Hogan how it worked out for him.

Is he ill?

Drumpot · 21-10-2020 03:19PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

My daughter just texted me to say she's never seen it so busy in the Jervis centre Dublin. She works retail and has seen it all but nothing like this. Gardai where outside Penny's this morning on Henry Street due to crowd issues. Also said mask wearing seems to have gone out the window.

I despair for our society when people can be this stupid.

We are truly a consumer generation that's very much disconnected from the physical world that we abuse, mine and take for granted.

If this COVID situation has reinforced what I had already thought, its that as a species we are hopelessly vulnerable to natural disasters. Worse still, many people have no meaningful desire to mitigate any of these risks if it costs money or means they cant do stuff they want to do.

Boggles · 21-10-2020 03:20PM

Fifteen 18 year olds can train together, but two 18 year olds can't play golf.

Seems legit.

Spanish Eyes · 21-10-2020 03:20PM

What’s the story with the Covid App now that track and trace has collapsed anyone know?

speckle · 21-10-2020 03:20PM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

It seems far more complex than people think. I did think there would be some roles that are more administrative type roles though? I thought the army were previously undertaking parts of the process previously and that there were volunteers that were able to do some roles?

We had a poster here early on who volunteered they said they had to have training. yes the army /gardai helped out and some centers based in universitys. Hospitals have their own as well
Personality also a factor when for example having the patience to deal with people over the phone who might be worried/panicking/angry etc.
But yes some people could side step into roles with some training as they did last spring.

Some links to articles and videos I have saved re contact tracing over the last 8 months/ not in chronological order
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-ucc-transformed-in-contact-tracing-hub-1.4219195?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/seven-of-nine-contact-tracing-centres-have-been-closed-1.4275957?mode=amp

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30991801.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-hse-to-open-a-third-contact-tracing-centre-1.4334330?mode=amp

https://www.ucc.ie/en/academy/news/the-human-spirit-behind-the-ucc-contact-tracing-centre-.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/contact-tracing-graduates-5201823-Sep2020/

http://trinitynews.ie/2020/03/trinity-business-school-to-host-contact-tracing-volunteers/

Just to give a general idea of the work behind the scenes and how the situation changed over the last while.

Sierra Oscar · 21-10-2020 03:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing numbers are at a record high.

Of course they are, we are at record high numbers of positive results.

That doesn't change the fact that close contacts, right now, are not being identified and are not being tested. That is a fact. Accordingly we can no longer really rely on the figures to give an accurate picture of the spread of the virus on the ground until contact tracing catches up. It's going to be like March / April all over again - actual cases in the community will be far in excess of positive test numbers.

Asymptotic people will not be tested at the moment if contact tracing misses them, which is happening right now.

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 03:21PM

ixoy wrote: »

These people understand that you can still order most of this stuff online right? That Smyths will also have a click-and-collect for example, which - to be fair - they Tweet about.

It's not even like some of this should be a surprise. I went into town last Monday and did a good chunk of shopping on the assumption things would close (it was lovely and quiet too). Perhaps though I'm better informed/organised than others?

A classic why isn't everyone like me post! Many people do not buy online for some very obvious reasons just as there are many who don't even know what a Tweet is or how to find one.

What Username Guidelines · 21-10-2020 03:21PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

This..would be my thinking .
The 2km rule really freaked me out and while 5 km is ok for me it would stop a lot of people going to the coast or the mountains to get fresh air and exercise.
Is it not worse to have people milling around in heavily populated areas rather than national parks or coastal areas where there aren't so many people ?
I appreciate that city coastal areas don't want crowds descending during level 5 , but am talking about those other more empty areas , to recharge and refresh .
If you go for a spin to an empty beach or woodland and don't interact with anyone , I don't see the problem .

The problem is, people think they’re “clever” finding loopholes in the law with stuff like “oh they can’t enforce that”, as if it’s purely the responsibility of the government and the gardai to fix this pandemic. So you can’t just leave it up to discretion of a Garda, you need laws. So like the idiots breaking the rules ruining it for the rest of us, if they say it’s grand for someone living alone to go further, you’ll have a bunch of people up in arms that they’re being oppressed for not living alone, and another bunch of people thinking it’s gas and Mensa-level thinking to just tell a Garda at a checkpoint that they live alone.

Really what’s needed is common sense. But you know what they say about that...

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 03:22PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

For anyone who thinks golfing is safe in these times, just ask poor Phil Hogan how it worked out for him.

It was the 19th that did for poor Phil!

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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