Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

CoronaBlocker · 21-10-2020 10:20AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It depends.

If the hse and Nphet planned on government accepting recommendations ths leave wouldn't be as bad as it is.

What's the chicken and the egg. Theres x contact traces because Nphet planned on an earlier level 5. This meant we wouldn't need more than x. Or Nphet recommended level 5 because there was x contact traces and the contact tracing teams needed to be protected from failure.

If this is the case the failure is in not setting case loads to move to higher levels earlier. Even though approximate ones

That's still gross mis-management though. It's essentially the "it's not my job" approach from people with grand educations, at the top of their fields and getting paid buckets of money for it.

ACitizenErased · 21-10-2020 10:21AM

Contact tracing should have been EXPANDED when cases were low, not reduced. Instead of assigning two tracers per case/cluster, assign 3-4 and really track it down. But nah, why would we bother doing that?

seamus · 21-10-2020 10:22AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

You think those civil service wasters are gonna do ANYTHING that isn't explicitly on their job description ???

To be fair, they're employees like any other. They're not army personnel who can just be "redeployed" to do whatever job is needed.

If your employer turned around and said, "We're going on a blitz and so rather than spending the next six weeks doing your regular job, we're going to stick you on the phones ringing customers for 8 hours a day"

"What if I refuse?"

"There's pretty much nothing we can do about it"

fly_agaric · 21-10-2020 10:22AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Are you saying what happened in Bergamo and Madrid was a Joke and caused by nothing but the flu?

It has been proven (by experts publishing crowd-sourced research on social media) that they were all Crisis Actors.

10000maniacs · 21-10-2020 10:23AM

Hooter23 wrote: »

Imagine if we started reporting cases of flu on the news evey year...we would have millions of cases..since this so called virus is not much worse than the flu...it just shows you what a joke this whole thing is

Jesus wept.
Covid19 is at least 10 times more deadly than the flu.
I'll repeat part of my post from yesterday.

1 in 12 cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. are documented, which they said would translate to an infection fatality rate of about 0.6%. But even this lower estimate is still at least six times higher than that of the flu. (The case fatality rate in people who become sick with flu may be 0.1%, but when you account for people who become infected with flu but never show symptoms, the death rate will be half or even a quarter of that.)
That means that COVID19 is between 10 and 20 times more deadly than the flu.

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 10:24AM

If one of the definitions of a close contact is spending 2 hours with a room with a confirmed case, why aren't whole school classes being sent home if there's a confirmed case?

jam_mac_jam · 21-10-2020 10:25AM

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, they're employees like any other. They're not army personnel who can just be "redeployed" to do whatever job is needed.

If your employer turned around and said, "We're going on a blitz and so rather than spending the next six weeks doing your regular job, we're going to stick you on the phones ringing customers for 8 hours a day"

"What if I refuse?"

"There's pretty much nothing we can do about it"

My employer has said that. I had to contact customers for a month to try and fix a mistake. Not near my usual job. Not even a problem on my team.

Non solum non ambulabit · 21-10-2020 10:26AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

So how do I explain this to the guards when im stopped to visit my 83 year old mam lives alone

Do I just tell them?

Just tell them you are visiting a Grave yard. Any will do.;)

AlphaDelta1 · 21-10-2020 10:26AM

fly_agaric wrote: »

It has been proven (by experts publishing crowd-sourced research on social media) that they were all Crisis Actors.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

I've heard of great method actors but actually dying for your craft is taking it too far.

Jinglejangle69 · 21-10-2020 10:26AM

Eod100 wrote: »

If one of the definitions of a close contact is spending 2 hours with a room with a confirmed case, why aren't whole school classes being sent home if there's a confirmed case?

How many times are peoole going to ask this question?

snotboogie · 21-10-2020 10:26AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Jesus wept.
Covid19 is at least 10 times more deadly than the flu.
I'll repeat part of my post from yesterday.

1 in 12 cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. are documented, which they said would translate to an infection fatality rate of about 0.6%. But even this lower estimate is still at least six times higher than that of the flu. (The case fatality rate in people who become sick with flu may be 0.1%, but when you account for people who become infected with flu but never show symptoms, the death rate will be half or even a quarter of that.)
That means that COVID19 is between 10 and 20 times more deadly than the flu.

But...but..but...but.. ComputingForever says in every video that this is no deadlier than the flu....

Hector Savage · 21-10-2020 10:27AM

silverharp wrote: »

4 infants died because of travel restrictions in Australia

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1318834012945829888

E'llo ello ello whats all this then ?

These babies didn't die of Covid therefore the Party has approved of them.
Melbourne has had one case of Covid so it's Party Policy that the entire nation is locked down.

Remember it's ok to die so long as it's NOT COVID.

A pride mobile has been dispatched to you for re-education!!

Non solum non ambulabit · 21-10-2020 10:27AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

And what % of that 95% have had an autopsy/inquest to determine if covid-19 was the main or contributory cause of death or if it it was non contributory? Genuine question, not having a go!

No idea probably a low percentage as suspected Covid is sufficient to bump up death numbers

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-10-2020 10:28AM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

That's still gross mis-management though. It's essentially the "it's not my job" approach from people with grand educations, at the top of their fields and getting paid buckets of money for it.

It's not best practice but it does make a degree of sense.

Government: your key priority is to keep schools and the non covid health service open

NPHET: How many cases a day does there need to be before the non covid health service comes under risk. Build contact tracing up to that level. Government say they will take our recommendations. Also money is needed elsewhere.

NPHET: Health service is under risk, we need to close down

Government: let's get to level 3

Nphet: level 3 wont work, some hospitals will have to cancel elective procedures and contact tracing will be overwhelmed.

Government:I want to see how level 3 works.

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 10:29AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How many times are peoole going to ask this question?

I hadn't see it asked or answered before. I wouldn't be asking otherwise, obviously.

wirelessdude01 · 21-10-2020 10:29AM

fly_agaric wrote: »

It has been proven (by experts publishing crowd-sourced research on social media) that they were all Crisis Actors.

LOL

Qiaonasen · 21-10-2020 10:30AM

Hooter23 wrote: »

Imagine if we started reporting cases of flu on the news evey year...we would have millions of cases..since this so called virus is not much worse than the flu...it just shows you what a joke this whole thing is

Jesus. I thought the "It's just the flu brigade" were long extinct and had been annihilated by the facts but they appear just as impervious to eradication as I dunno, Covid19.
Which part do you have trouble comprehending?
- Covid19 is orders of magnitude more contagious than Flu. The R number in a normal setting is 4-5 times higher.
- Covid19 left unchecked will overrun your hospital system even in the most advanced societies with the most ICU beds.
- Covid19 is not seasonal and in the USA alone there are now approximately 300,000 excess deaths and that is during the summer.
- We have seen Wuhan, New York, Italy, Moscow, Spain etc

This is a crisis on a scale which most people haven't begin to understand yet. You know it took 300 years to eradicate smallpox and it was the most deadly pandemic in history.
Covid19 is already in the top 15 and it has only been with us for months.

wirelessdude01 · 21-10-2020 10:31AM

Eod100 wrote: »

If one of the definitions of a close contact is spending 2 hours with a room with a confirmed case, why aren't whole school classes being sent home if there's a confirmed case?

Only applies to secondary and has to be 2 continuous hours without a break. Hardly any close contacts then.

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 10:32AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Only applies to secondary and has to be 2 continuous hours without a break. Hardly any close contacts then.

Thanks.

niallo27 · 21-10-2020 10:33AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It's not best practice but it does make a degree of sense.

Government: your key priority is to keep schools and the non covid health service open

NPHET: How many cases a day does there need to be before the non covid health service comes under risk. Build contact tracing up to that level. Government say they will take our recommendations. Also money is needed elsewhere.

NPHET: Health service is under risk, we need to close down

Government: let's get to level 3

Nphet: level 3 wont work, some hospitals will have to cancel elective procedures and contact tracing will be overwhelmed.

Government:I want to see how level 3 works.

So are nphet completely infallible to you.

CoronaBlocker · 21-10-2020 10:35AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Message is that keeping schools open is a core priority.

I don't understand why NPHET have made keeping schools open a priority. Is this not a political decision? And is this not a perfect example of the confusion of remits between NPHET and the government?

Tony Holy-man was on saying "The government can't wash your hands for you" yesterday as well. Excuse me? Get the...

How has the second wave surprised all of the experts? Why was the HSE not ready with extra beds and why had they not ramped up contact-tracing? The second wave was apparently inevitable yet despite that, it's still somehow our fault... even though it was inevitable.

Remember this when Lockdown 3 happens - because they've already said there will be one.

Jinglejangle69 · 21-10-2020 10:35AM

Eod100 wrote: »

I hadn't see it asked or answered before. I wouldn't be asking otherwise, obviously.

Sorry about that.

I'm feeling tetchy this morning!

suicide_circus · 21-10-2020 10:37AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

We should also name and shame those infected with STD's

Those who know they have a potentially fatal STD and knowingly put partners at risk by not disclosing this...

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 10:38AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sorry about that.

I'm feeling tetchy this morning!

No bother. We all are in fairness so no worries!

Boggles · 21-10-2020 10:40AM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I don't understand why NPHET have made keeping schools open a priority.

They haven't, it's a core priority given to them by the cabinet. There is 2 primary ones.

Schools Open
Non Covid health care open

If the cabinet decided pubs and gyms were to be core priorities, NPHET would alter their modelling and advice.

SortingYouOut · 21-10-2020 10:40AM

Friend of mine who's been working from home since March and was due back before Christmas has been told now that they're foreseeing this type of on/off restriction throughout 2021 and are setting him up with a more permanent home office solution. The mad thing is, he works for Pfizer in Kildare. He says they have pharmaceutical technicians in as they're essential but they've advised all office staff of the above.

Jesus, I hope they're just being cautious.

AlphaDelta1 · 21-10-2020 10:41AM

Belgium on the brink and it's not even November yet

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-belgium-was-cited-as-a-model-for-the-uk-to-follow-now-its-hospitals-face-being-overrun-12109631

CoronaBlocker · 21-10-2020 10:41AM

Eod100 wrote: »

If one of the definitions of a close contact is spending 2 hours with a room with a confirmed case, why aren't whole school classes being sent home if there's a confirmed case?

Was it not supposed to be 15 minutes? Where did that rule go? Or is it different for children?

Boggles · 21-10-2020 10:42AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Belgium on the brink and it's not even November yet

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-belgium-was-cited-as-a-model-for-the-uk-to-follow-now-its-hospitals-face-being-overrun-12109631

Where are all those Belgian "doctors" that wrote the letter?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-10-2020 10:43AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So are nphet completely infallible to you.

No one is completely infallible.

Obviously there needed to be better communication.

My point is that someone made a big error when judging the number of contact tracers required.

The error imo was in communicating between government and Nphet.

We can't build to infinity. It doesn't make sense. No one has the money. So the question becomes what makes sense to build to.

You build contact tracers to the point you want to put restrictions in to cool case numbers. They did this.

Government didn't follow theough with restrictions. So someone needed to know the contact tracing capacity and say we wont put restrictions in then.

That's not NPHET's job. They recommended higher restrictions at a point that would have kept it in check before hitting capacity.

Government didn't accept the recommendations. Someone failed to communicate.

It either wasn't clear to government. Someone needed a conversation where it was said we will be recommending restrictions based on these case numbers or this growth rate and will you accept.

It's about communication. I can see why capacity was what it was but there was a communication failure.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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