Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Jinglejangle69 · 21-10-2020 08:56AM

statesaver wrote: »

So, we are where we are with this six weeks lockdown because contact tracing broke down and the Government couldn't be bothered increasing ICU beds over the last 8 months. Jesus wept.

Having ICU capacity doesn't stop people going into ICU and dying from covid.

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 08:57AM

Boggles wrote: »

DIY public health calls is policy now, did you miss the memo?

Blindfold archery!

Boggles · 21-10-2020 08:57AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are declaring themselves unavailable for school or work and in normal circumstance wouldn't get any support anyway.

Doesn't apply now does it?

I mean the principle would be completely unreasonable if he did that 12 months ago.

Personally I don't think you needed to point that out, but there you go.

ixoy · 21-10-2020 08:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Contact tracing is breaking down because of the sheer numbers of cases and their respective contacts.

Shame nobody had developed a model predicting this rise and then acted on it...

8k71ps · 21-10-2020 09:00AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54624359

The report notes the mass closure of schools would have a moderate impact on the R rate, of between 0.2 and 0.5.

It says the closure of secondary schools may be more effective than closing schools for younger pupils.

Ah here lads, how can anyone honestly say that we're much different? We'll in be lock-down till January if it's 0.5 in schools alone, sure the rate might even stabilise at 1 outside of Dublin if the upper limit is correct.

growleaves · 21-10-2020 09:00AM

Here’s how the media is misreporting COVID-19’s death toll in America

2020’s attributed COVID-19 deaths were equivalent to having another 2017-2018 flu and pneumonia season boosted by 13 percent.

The CDC estimated that about 177,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 flu season, from either the flu itself or by complications of pneumonia. (The CDC never made a public announcement about this number, but you can count it yourself from data on its site, as I did in the chart below.) That was a bad year, noted at the time, but mostly by medical professionals.

It might seem odd that testing numbers are going up even as attributed deaths drop. But this paradox is largely due to the fact that we do so much testing. Deaths re-peaked in late July as the virus spread in southern states for the first time. They have been dropping rapidly since. If the current rate of decline holds, attributed deaths will drop to a background level by the end of October.

Even calling positive tests “cases” overstates the problem. True cases are active illnesses that need treatment. But by now most people testing positive are asymptomatic or have only mild illness.

That’s the real lead in this story: Fewer people are dying and more people are recovering with few or no problems.

iamwhoiam · 21-10-2020 09:01AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Having ICU capacity doesn't stop people going into ICU and dying from covid.

Having increased ICU capacity will of course give people a better chance of survival >

FlubberJones · 21-10-2020 09:01AM

j@utis wrote: »

I want to remind you that schools are somewhat childcare facilities for many parents that have no other option but to go to work [essential workers]. Are you free to mind my children if that happens? For free of course, because we pay upfront for afterschool care and that's non-refundable, and we're not paying twice for the same thing.
I hate them for closing the gyms too, btw.

Appreciate your position but I'm being honest, this has got to the stage where I'm becoming slightly selfish and thinking of my own situation.
I have to do and act as requested as the lockdown is in place but the "way" it has been put in simply does not make sense to me and is an unintelligent response to the continuing pandemic

Happydays2020 · 21-10-2020 09:01AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Contact tracing is breaking down because of the sheer numbers of cases and their respective contacts.

Although the contact tracing process was extremely limited and did the bare minimum rather than try to really trace where the infection may have occurred. I am not sure if they are doing the more in-depth tracing now.

Boggles · 21-10-2020 09:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats why close contact protocols for workplaces , schools and other organised facilities where people gather should be clear, with minimum ambiguity and managed at a local level. It is a mistake to take contact tracing in schools out of the hands of principals or a designated covid officer within the location

They are pretty clear in schools which are actually workplaces, people tend to forget that fact.

It's next to impossible to be deemed a close contact and if you do a solo run you will be punished.

In terms of schools and covid, Fight Club rules apply.

What other workplace can you think of with a similar protocol?

What was that word you used? Oh yeah Reasonable.

School told maskless students were not close contacts with SNA despite 'intimate care level'

The bar is higher than that.

What's the fúcking bar?

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 09:04AM

ixoy wrote: »

Shame nobody had developed a model predicting this rise and then acted on it...

Kind of hard when the numbers of possible close contacts can vary from 2-3 to 83, with kids having lots of them. Reducing transmission links is much easier to implement via restrictions.

Richard Hillman · 21-10-2020 09:06AM

We're essentially going to go back to March where you needed 2-3 symptoms to get a test

Jinglejangle69 · 21-10-2020 09:07AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Having increased ICU capacity will of course give people a better chance of survival >

People will die regardless of ICU capacity.

13 announced yesterday with ICU capacity still available.

8k71ps · 21-10-2020 09:07AM

j@utis wrote: »

I want to remind you that schools are somewhat childcare facilities for many parents that have no other option but to go to work [essential workers]. Are you free to mind my children if that happens? For free of course, because we pay upfront for afterschool care and that's non-refundable, and we're not paying twice for the same thing.
I hate them for closing the gyms too, btw.

Schools seem to be an extremely large spreader in most other countries, and childcare for essential workers could be worked out pretty easily , infact it would be easier with the schools closed for them in that regard than if they were open.

Sure **** it, why not just reopen the country if we're not going to address the main points of infection, it'll be completely unmanageable by December anyways.

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 09:08AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Although the contact tracing process was extremely limited and did the bare minimum rather than try to really trace where the infection may have occurred. I am not sure if they are doing the more in-depth tracing now.

It may not be but are close contacts they find even following the protocols? While I know next to no cases I do know quite a few who've been landed with the 14 day holiday and irate is an understatement for how they feel. These are people who will follow it so one imagine there are others who will just ignore it, especially as you are not sick in any way.

Jim_Hodge · 21-10-2020 09:08AM

Enter name here wrote: »

I run a retail chain and have had this argument all day long with the owners. If you can show me where is says you can leave the 5 kms radius to go shopping for non essential items show me. As i said to the owners today, against my judgment which was to close the shops down across the country they want to keep them open and offer click and collect. I said fine I will inform the managers to keep skeleton staff on and at all branches and offer click and collect. I will also ask customers to provide a photo ID showing that they reside within the 5km limit, if they do not I will ask managers not to serve them.

You don't seem to get it. If the store is operating click and collect then customers are permitted to go and collect. You're some tulip that would want ID and will adjudicate on who may or may not collect their item - what a way to destroy the business by misinterpreting the rules!

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 09:10AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

We're essentially going to go back to March where you needed 2-3 symptoms to get a test

No, I don't think so. Feeling off is nearly good enough now for a test.

21-10-2020 09:10AM

Good trend in Donegal, if nowhere else

s1ippy · 21-10-2020 09:11AM

What fresh hell awaits.

Be sure and take everyone's phone number that you see today, you'll thank me when you have to call and tell them you infected them.

The Halloween theme music is playing in my head on a near-constant basis now. Paddygreen, hold me.

iamwhoiam · 21-10-2020 09:13AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

People will die regardless of ICU capacity.

13 announced yesterday with ICU capacity still available.

And wait till they are full and no bed for a person who has a hear attack ,What then ?

Plumbthedepths · 21-10-2020 09:15AM

Speaking of Paddygreen, where is he? I haven't seen any updates from the Bunker recently. Which I must add bring a smile to my face, admittedly at first I pegged him as a WUM but now I see the satire.

Jinglejangle69 · 21-10-2020 09:16AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And wait till they are full and no bed for a person who has a hear attack ,What then ?

Sorry I was referring to your first post that we have lockdown again because the track and trace system has collapsed and there is not enough ICU beds.

Maybe took you up wrong.

wirelessdude01 · 21-10-2020 09:16AM

Love how people are saying how schools should contact trace the cases in them. Don't people realise that what constitutes a close co tact in a school environment seems to change every few days and also differs based on what each of lix health team thinks.

There is a reason why school gojng cases have been pulled from the weekend and will be officially traced. I'd imagine if schools were allowed do it then the amount of close contacts per case would be significantly higher than if were determined by public health.

21-10-2020 09:17AM

Anyone noticed that cases in 5-14year olds are finally rising as a proportion of all cases, and are now almost back to pre-school reopening levels. This of course came in the couple of weeks after cases spiked in their parents age groups. Who got it from whom?

j@utis · 21-10-2020 09:20AM

Are they actually sick and feeling very unwell or just "cases"?

21-10-2020 09:20AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Love how people are saying how schools should contact trace the cases in them. Don't people realise that what constitutes a close co tact in a school environment seems to change every few days and also differs based on what each of lix health team thinks.

There is a reason why school gojng cases have been pulled from the weekend and will be officially traced. I'd imagine if schools were allowed do it then the amount of close contacts per case would be significantly higher than if were determined by public health.

But still, even from those contacts tested, the proportion of positive tests is lower than elsewhere. And if the net is too narrow, that are only getting the most likely to have been exposed

CoronaBlocker · 21-10-2020 09:22AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

The only idiot here is you.you should be ashamed of yourself wishing to “see cases Skyrocket” in schools.
What a horrible thing to say.
You’d wonder where humanity is going when you see posts like that.

I think there's a lot of people on here that are angry - and justifiably so right now - but we have to remember that people will also need to vent... and some will do it here. I'm sure this person doesn't really want to see cases anywhere sky-rocket. Let's all try and be a bit more rational.

s1ippy · 21-10-2020 09:23AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Speaking of Paddygreen, where is he? I haven't seen any updates from the Bunker recently. Which I must add bring a smile to my face, admittedly at first I pegged him as a WUM but now I see the satire.

If he's not you, he's definitely Funsterdelux's dark alter ego.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Love how people are saying how schools should contact trace the cases in them. Don't people realise that what constitutes a close co tact in a school environment seems to change every few days and also differs based on what each of lix health team thinks.

There is a reason why school gojng cases have been pulled from the weekend and will be officially traced. I'd imagine if schools were allowed do it then the amount of close contacts per case would be significantly higher than if were determined by public health.

The school my nephew goes to keeps comprehensive lists of children, their close contacts and everyone who passes through the school of a given day like the delivery people etc, they all have to sign in (granted using shared and sanitised pens, which struck me as neolithic... I bring my own).

I'm pretty sure most schools have this simple system of logging visits, but how are they supposed to get teenagers to think about everywhere they've been and everyone they've been in contact with?

An unparalleled task. I wonder if meat plants have it as difficult.

8k71ps · 21-10-2020 09:23AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Love how people are saying how schools should contact trace the cases in them. Don't people realise that what constitutes a close co tact in a school environment seems to change every few days and also differs based on what each of lix health team thinks.

There is a reason why school gojng cases have been pulled from the weekend and will be officially traced. I'd imagine if schools were allowed do it then the amount of close contacts per case would be significantly higher than if were determined by public health.

Not only that, but even if they were properly traced back in September with proper procedures there probably still wasn't enough contact tracers in the entire country to handle all of that. Sometimes I think our politicians and civil servants were born from the womb grey haired and balding , since anyone who's been in a school knows that especially young kids are constantly around each other no matter what, so the amount of contacts would essentially be most of the school with any given outbreak. Even in secondary schools they'd be out drinking etc. They really either close them permanently or provide muchbetter resources to contact tracers and online learning.

Hector Savage · 21-10-2020 09:23AM

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-21/spain-reports-highest-cumulative-number-of-coronavirus-cases-3229-infections-per-100000-inhabitants.html

The trajectory will go whatever way it will go, restrictions don't work, very strict mask wearing in Spain since May, now bars and restaurants closed - and cases continue to rise, in fact it looked like it was slowing down .... but no, the spikes have returned.

This is madness.

either way when all this is over (in about 400 years) it will be a data analysts dream!

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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