Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Eod100 · 20-10-2020 11:47PM

It gets better. Newly hired contact tracers were sent zero hour contracts in error recently. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-says-zero-hour-contracts-issued-to-new-covid-19-contact-tracers-in-error-1.4381123

Quantum Erasure · 20-10-2020 11:48PM

PixelTrawler wrote: »

Certainly seems like I'd be breaking the 5km rule and liable to a fine trying to attend.

The 5k is just for exercise, it has no bearing on essential journeys, it was the same 6 months ago, it'll be the same in 6 months time....

Antares35 · 20-10-2020 11:49PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I am also 10 miles from the nearest town. I think people are taking the 5km rule way too seriously. If you have a legitimate reason, no Garda is going to bother with you. I travelled up and down the county (shopping for elderly relatives) in the first lockdown and only got stopped twice. And that was in good weather

I got stopped a few times going to Holles St for antenatal appointments

Sure if I need to anything I'll just sling a cat into the car and say I'm going to the vet. If anyone wants to borrow one they can - return of cat on December 1st is optional

jam_mac_jam · 20-10-2020 11:49PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The 5k is just for exercise, it has no bearing on essential journeys, it was the same 6 months ago, it'll be the same in 6 months time....

And people will still be asking and arguing about it

Widdensushi · 20-10-2020 11:51PM

The 5km rule is to do with exercise or going for a spin, if you have a legitimate reason for travelling, shop, dentists etc it is allowed.

Cilldara_2000 · 20-10-2020 11:52PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The 5k is just for exercise, it has no bearing on essential journeys, it was the same 6 months ago, it'll be the same in 6 months time....

That might be the intention but it's not what either version of the guidelines say.

The website says:
"There will be a penalty for movement outside 5 kilometres of home, with the following exceptions:

travel to and from work, where work involves providing an essential service
to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products
travel to attend disability day services
for food shopping
to take school aged children to permitted training as provided for in the Exercise and Sporting section above
for vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, and in particular for those who live alone but excluding social family visits
for farming purposes, that is food production or care of animals
to attend a wedding or funeral
to visit a grave"
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#domestic-travel-restrictions

The press release says:
"Essential purposes for travel (permitted outside 5km limit)
to shop for essential items
travel to and from work, where work involves providing an essential service (see below)
to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products
for vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, and in particular for those who live alone, as part of an extended household but excluding social family visits
to attend a wedding or funeral
for farming purposes i.e. food production and/or care of animals
to visit a grave"
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/66269-ireland-placed-on-level-5-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid/

PixelTrawler · 20-10-2020 11:53PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The 5k is just for exercise, it has no bearing on essential journeys, it was the same 6 months ago, it'll be the same in 6 months time....

It has every bearing because they go into detail on the grounds for greater than 5km travel and my original question or observation is that I can't match up an NCT appointment with a criteria.

Edit: as listed above, it might be an essential service but I don't work there. It's the nearest criteria I can see but it still doesn't fit

Ficheall · 20-10-2020 11:54PM

If you got covid, would you not tell your contacts yourself anyway? Is the difficulty in having them then arrange their own tests?

Kh1993 · 20-10-2020 11:55PM

Will we get to a point where NPHET and it’s advice is seriously compromised by the fact that it’s make up is majority HSE?

Will HSE members on NPHET be steering decisions towards ones to get the HSE out of jail? As in, how can NPHET push for a strengthening of test and trace when it’s very members are part of the organisation responsible for it?

shmeee · 20-10-2020 11:57PM

PixelTrawler wrote: »

It has every bearing because they go into detail on the grounds for greater than 5km travel and my original question or observation is that I can't match up an NCT appointment with a criteria.

Edit: as listed above, it might be an essential service but I don't work there. It's the nearest criteria I can see but it still doesn't fit

It's on the NCT website, you are exempt from travel restrictions.

What's the big deal?

joe40 · 20-10-2020 11:58PM

PixelTrawler wrote: »

It has every bearing because they go into detail on the grounds for greater than 5km travel and my original question or observation is that I can't match up an NCT appointment with a criteria.

I think if NCT venues are open because they are an essential service then it stands to reason that travel to an NCT centre is an essential journey.
They're hardly opening NCT centres for them to only serve a 5 mile radius.

maebee · 21-10-2020 12:01AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Re the €500 fine, when stopped by a guard, what's to stop somebody just saying they are visiting a grave? You can visit a grave in Dingle, Donegal or the Aran Islands.

Only in Ireland.

How the F does visiting a grave come under essential travel? Ridiculous

rdwight · 21-10-2020 12:03AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It does. And many of the same people in HSE who have responsibility for this are members of NPHET and recommending lock downs.

The person who has direct responsibility is an EY management consultant who was seconded to the HSE in April specifically to ramp up testing and contact tracing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-government-to-scale-up-tracking-as-shutdown-extended-1.4226397

Presumably the HSE couldn't find anyone to do the job among the 100,000 staff it already pays.

And you're right, EY were the people who did such a good job on the Anglo Irish Bank audit.

Polar101 · 21-10-2020 12:10AM

The_Brood wrote: »

For public transport being cut down to 25% capacity: What about those who rely on public transport to go food shopping, but could/will be turned away from buses due to lack of capacity? What do they do then? Go without food? Not everyone has a car or should be expected to have a car. In fact the push has been for more green choices. So what then, no food?

I don't think they've thought that through - in the spring lockdown the capacity was something similar, but then schools were closed as were most retail shops. This time around schools are still open, and there are more shops open - so there's going to be more passengers.

With such a limited capacity in level 5, there are going to be some essential workers left waiting for the next bus, not to mention anyone else who needs public transport.

Polar101 · 21-10-2020 12:14AM

Antares35 wrote: »

What happens if we need to see a dentist? Are they considered essential? Or taking a pet for veterinary check? Just drive around with a cat in your car

Yes, dentists and vets are on the essential services list.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c9158-essential-services/

BringBackMick · 21-10-2020 12:15AM

Let's be honest, if NPHET was in place every winter dealing with the seasonal flu and the same clout we would have restrictions every year.

They have been given too much power here and we have lost sight if reality

rdwight · 21-10-2020 12:16AM

Ficheall wrote: »

If you got covid, would you not tell your contacts yourself anyway? Is the difficulty in having them then arrange their own tests?

Relying on people to follow this through themselves isn't rigorous enough. Apart from willingness, they might not be in a position to contact people e.g. if they're sick with Covid or if their contacts were strangers on a plane.

It's standard practice internationally now to have health authorities doing tracing.

speckle · 21-10-2020 12:17AM

Just a reminder of the consequences of this year and lockdowns on the blind and vision impaired services.
Remember not every vision impaired person has a dog or uses a cane or even wears glasses. They may be the person bending very low to see a price in shop, some might not be wearing a mask or not moving out of your way fast enough, or having problems seeing markings on the ground etc.
Technology usage online may also be impacted due their eyesight but even acess due to low finances.
They have problems not only with their vision but their ability to touch has been impacted.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ncbi-genuinely-concerned-over-viability-following-shop-closures-1.4386520?mode=amp

caveat emptor · 21-10-2020 12:17AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Let's be honest, if NPHET was in place every winter dealing with the seasonal flu and the same clout we would have restrictions every year.

They have been given too much power here and we have lost sight if reality

Let's be honest you are comparing flu to covid again. :eek:
If you don't understand the difference then so be it.

Beanybabog · 21-10-2020 12:19AM

OH is positive and I’m terrified and devastated. Apparently have to do our own tracing and get own tests, according to twitter anyway

Happydays2020 · 21-10-2020 12:21AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Let's be honest, if NPHET was in place every winter dealing with the seasonal flu and the same clout we would have restrictions every year.

They have been given too much power here and we have lost sight if reality

NPHET should be disbanded. We need a fit for purpose Covid-19 division within the Department of the Taoiseach. This division will need to look at the broad perspective, draw on ECDC expertise, and by all means use the expertise of the likes of Cillian de Gascun.

polesheep · 21-10-2020 12:21AM

Beanybabog wrote: »

OH is positive and I’m terrified and devastated. Apparently have to do our own tracing and get own tests, according to twitter anyway

You are more than likely more competent to do it yourself than the HSE.

bb1234567 · 21-10-2020 12:24AM

Almost 2% of Czech reps population has tested posture since September..unbelievably high numbers , 12,000 new cases today

21-10-2020 12:24AM

Are delivery drivers essential? Will any online orders be delivered?

caveat emptor · 21-10-2020 12:25AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

NPHET should be disbanded. We need a fit for purpose Covid-19 division within the Department of the Taoiseach. This division will need to look at the broad perspective, draw on ECDC expertise, and by all means use the expertise of the likes of Cillian de Gascun.

Division is a bit grandiose, perhaps brigade strength will suffice. :rolleyes:

21-10-2020 12:26AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Let's be honest, if NPHET was in place every winter dealing with the seasonal flu and the same clout we would have restrictions every year.

They have been given too much power here and we have lost sight if reality

The flu is not covid. Repeat. The flu is not covid. Tony H was the CMO last winter as well. Didn't see any calls for lockdown from him.

speckle · 21-10-2020 12:26AM

Beanybabog wrote: »

OH is positive and I’m terrified and devastated. Apparently have to do our own tracing and get own tests, according to twitter anyway

If you could do the easy ones and if one particular one is akward do you have an intermediatry like your gp/prsctise nurse that you could ring to ask for help. Every work place is meant to have a dedignated covid officier/manager? Could you ring the head teacher if school involved? Prioritise high risk people or those with high risk family. good luck
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to your OH and hopefully negative tests for the rest.

BringBackMick · 21-10-2020 12:29AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Let's be honest you are comparing flu to covid again. :eek:
If you don't understand the difference then so be it.

I definitely do but I understand that the normal flu causes very big issues for the health service on an average year and if they had a choice I'm sure they'd introduce restrictions in any normal year to slow it spreading ?

Beanybabog · 21-10-2020 12:31AM

speckle wrote: »

If you could do the easy ones and if one particular one is akward do you have an intermediatry like your gp/prsctise nurse that you could ring to ask for help. Every work place is meant to have a dedignated covid officier/manager? Could you ring the head teacher if school involved? Prioritise high risk people or those with high risk family. good luck
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to your OH and hopefully negative tests for the rest.

I’m not sure, we only found out so I’m reading stuff now. I have to get me and kids tested. Apparently we had to wait for contact tracing to contact us but that’s scrapped for now, given that they’re overwhelmed. If I test positive as an asymptomatic person my contacts would only be gone back
24 hours and I’ve had zero... I kept me and kids in since oh got a cough

Happydays2020 · 21-10-2020 12:34AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Division is a bit grandiose, perhaps brigade strength will suffice. :rolleyes:

Indeed and perhaps rename all the existing divisions as brigades instead https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation-information/0f55fb-work-of-the-department-of-the-taoiseach/

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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