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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • #812
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would happily stay indoors from 9pm till 6am if we had more freedom during the day
    I cant see that as a huge hardship in the winter ?

    That's only 1 measure in place in France though. I think it's hard to compare countries without also comparing health care capacity also.


  • #813
    tiredblondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭tiredblondie


    gibgodsman wrote: »
    This lockdown won't really be a lockdown, everyone I know says their employers are all finding ways to stay open during the lockdown, lots of them abusing the click and collect excuse which nearly none have. My own boss is attempting to get us to stay open, which I straight up said absolutely not and refused to do anything but work from home during a Level 5.

    You will be very surprised next week when the government has to come out again and shut absolutely everything down because everyone is taking liberties

    I'm technically in an "essential" business but it can be easily done from home - we are all set up and ready to do so - but they have said no, we're essential and that is that and our letter states it can't be done from home.


  • #814
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    gibgodsman wrote: »
    This lockdown won't really be a lockdown, everyone I know says their employers are all finding ways to stay open during the lockdown, lots of them abusing the click and collect excuse which nearly none have. My own boss is attempting to get us to stay open, which I straight up said absolutely not and refused to do anything but work from home during a Level 5.

    You will be very surprised next week when the government has to come out again and shut absolutely everything down because everyone is taking liberties


    So basically, the public is ahead of the government on learning how to live with covid and making their own plans rightly or wrongly or a bit of both.


  • #815
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    OwenM wrote: »
    I was thinking of the book.

    Oh yeah...Me too

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  • #816
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    21,331 new cases and 241 new deaths in the United Kingdom

    I think Tuesday is often a big day for numbers over there, but still, this is appalling.


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  • #817
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well I think it’d be more correct to say that people(and I include myself in that) felt the government handled the initial stages of the restrictions well and they had more or less full cooperation from the public. So they’ve made a compete bollocks of the last few months but did a good job in March, April, May. I mean the lockdown was to give the government the time to beef up capacity in the health service for what was likely to be a second wave of some kind around this time of the year. The fact they haven’t is on them, not us the public.

    It’s worrying that they(government and nphet) seem to have only one play and that’s lockdown. Isn’t living with covid meant to be a way of moving along but not locking down ? I’ll fully admit I was pissed off last night over what the government was doing, not because I’m against lockdowns but I felt the government and all political parties honestly had squandered the time they were given. It felt like a slap in the face for the effort all of us regardless of your views on the virus had put in.

    Pretty much


  • #818
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Eod100 wrote: »
    That's only 1 measure in place in France though. I think it's hard to compare countries without also comparing health care capacity also.

    Restaurant s etc are open, no travel restrictions so with schools on holiday those that can are moving out of the areas with restrictions possibly spreading the virus from the areas with most infections.


  • #819
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭eigrod


    mloc123 wrote: »
    What are the swab numbers today?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114994899&postcount=635


  • #820
    Stheno
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would happily stay indoors from 9pm till 6am if we had more freedom during the day
    I cant see that as a huge hardship in the winter ?

    Same here
    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    21,331 new cases and 241 new deaths in the United Kingdom

    I think Tuesday is often a big day for numbers over there, but still, this is appalling.

    Oof that's bad


  • #821
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    froog wrote: »
    Did it ever occur to you we need harsher restrictions than most countries because our hospital and ICU capacity is so bad?
    bennyl10 wrote: »
    why does what any other country having done have any effect on what we should do?

    Independent country, independently bad health service that needs measures that others don't.

    Interesting points, so we have one of the worst health systems in Europe and I think we will all agree this is down to the HSE completely mismanagement as they have been well funded. Nphet whose advise we are following is made up of the people that completely ****ed up our health system. Should we not question their advice with their track record.


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  • #822
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    zinfandel wrote: »
    no, would be very open to fraud

    That's me going to work with symptoms so


  • #823
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Sent it onto a mate who's a Garda in Dublin (posted a few things he's said to me before), his reply was basically changes nothing, might act as a deterrent but that those calls are bottom of a queue and get the standard we'll send a car when it's a available response, said they haven't been and won't be responding to calls all night long in relation to gatherings. He says other colleagues have said that if you wanted you could spend the whole night on just calls for gatherings and they don't.

    His inspector told them this morning to police the same was as they have been throughout.

    Maybe it depends on the Station.

    Two house parties on my road this weekend. (Dublin) Cars parked up and down the road. Gardai were called, showed up within 20 minutes, knocked on the doors, had a word, and waited on the road in the patrol car while the crowds dispersed.


  • #824
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well I think it’d be more correct to say that people(and I include myself in that) felt the government handled the initial stages of the restrictions well and they had more or less full cooperation from the public. So they’ve made a compete bollocks of the last few months but did a good job in March, April, May. I mean the lockdown was to give the government the time to beef up capacity in the health service for what was likely to be a second wave of some kind around this time of the year. The fact they haven’t is on them, not us the public.

    It’s worrying that they(government and nphet) seem to have only one play and that’s lockdown. Isn’t living with covid meant to be a way of moving along but not locking down ? I’ll fully admit I was pissed off last night over what the government was doing, not because I’m against lockdowns but I felt the government and all political parties honestly had squandered the time they were given. It felt like a slap in the face for the effort all of us regardless of your views on the virus had put in.

    The cherry on the cake will be the farcical way they roll out the vaccine.

    Its just so predictable that it will be another balls up.


  • #825
    DOCARCH
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    21,331 new cases and 241 new deaths in the United Kingdom

    I think Tuesday is often a big day for numbers over there, but still, this is appalling.

    Yip....and can't see their wishy washy 'lockdown' doing much for them!


  • #826
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Maybe it depends on the Station.

    Two house parties on my road this weekend. (Dublin) Cars parked up and down the road. Gardai were called, showed up within 20 minutes, knocked on the doors, had a word, and waited on the road in the patrol car while the crowds dispersed.

    Depends how busy they are and what's available.

    If they're free then yeah, if nobody's free then into the queue


  • #827
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The cherry on the cake will be the farcical way they roll out the vaccine.

    Its just so predictable that it will be another balls up.

    Yeah, It took the HSE 6 months to do 1 million tests, 4 million vaccinations? And what of they go with a 2 dose version?

    I'd be more worried about securing supply TBH.


  • #828
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Depends how busy they are and what's available.

    If they're free then yeah, if nobody's free then into the queue

    Hadn't seen your reply earlier. Yeah it seems more a political thing of being seen to be doing something. I think Gardai have enough to be doing as is. Maybe there will be a visible presence for a few weekends and the threat of fines acts as a deterrent.


  • #829
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,143 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The cherry on the cake will be the farcical way they roll out the vaccine.

    Its just so predictable that it will be another balls up.

    Well let’s try and get through this lockdown(of at least six weeks) and while this lockdown may not get as much cooperation(hopefully high enough) that we again give those in positions to bolster what needs to be the time to do it and they turn around and say we need to lock down again then I can’t see the public as a whole going along with it. It’s up to the people in power to **** or get off the pot on this. Either do what’s necessary or stop saying we need to live with covid because without the necessary things done, we can’t live with covid.


  • #830
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,527 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    NPHET basically saying in the letter one of the primary reasons for restrictions is because contact tracing has collapsed and it will need to be remedied before restrictions are lifted.

    Of all the relative easy and cheap things to do and HSE completely scrimped on it.

    Getting in the fúcking Army band to contact trace.

    They didn't learn that off the Koreans.


  • #831
    Stheno
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    US2 wrote: »
    That's me going to work with symptoms so

    Is this the PUP payment you are talking about?

    I was on it a few months ago and applied online with a non verified mygov id and didn't have to submit any paperwork


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  • #832
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Hadn't seen your reply earlier. Yeah it seems more a political thing of being seen to be doing something. I think Gardai have enough to be doing as is. Maybe there will be a visible presence for a few weekends and the threat of fines acts as a deterrent.

    What my mate said to me was chances are it'll be enough of a deterrent on its own & even at that it'll probably be a warning to start with and only escalate to fines then if theres non compliance after every other avenue has been exhausted.

    From what he was saying internally they seem more interested in checkpoints than anything else, all the overtime available is for them


  • #833
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    I wonder how many of these so called deaths from covid would have also died if they had caught the flu


  • #834
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Amirani wrote: »
    Good few deaths in Ireland coming too.
    People have been saying this for weeks and it hasnt happened


  • #835
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Boggles wrote: »
    NPHET basically saying in the letter one of the primary reasons for restrictions is because contact tracing has collapsed and it will need to be remedied before restrictions are lifted.
    .

    well that's not gonna be fixed in six weeks!


  • #836
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,143 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Amirani wrote: »
    Good few deaths in Ireland coming too.

    Based on what exactly ?


  • #837
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well I think it’d be more correct to say that people(and I include myself in that) felt the government handled the initial stages of the restrictions well and they had more or less full cooperation from the public. So they’ve made a compete bollocks of the last few months but did a good job in March, April, May. I mean the lockdown was to give the government the time to beef up capacity in the health service for what was likely to be a second wave of some kind around this time of the year. The fact they haven’t is on them, not us the public.

    It’s worrying that they(government and nphet) seem to have only one play and that’s lockdown. Isn’t living with covid meant to be a way of moving along but not locking down ? I’ll fully admit I was pissed off last night over what the government was doing, not because I’m against lockdowns but I felt the government and all political parties honestly had squandered the time they were given. It felt like a slap in the face for the effort all of us regardless of your views on the virus had put in.

    Was it said at the time that the lockdown was to allow time to beef up the health service? I thought it was to flatten the curve so the health service wasn't overwhelmed. The HSE has a lot of problems but there isn't a health service in the world that can cope with the virus unchecked. Nor is it in any way remotely plausible that enough staff could be trained and hired in the space of a few months to keep up with an exponentially growing virus.

    I'm pretty sure everyone was consistently talking at the time about the possibility of a second wave in Winter and to me it was obvious that we'd need to continue to flatten the curve with further restrictions going forward, as it's the only possible play any country has right now until vaccines and better treatments come through the pipeline.


  • #838
    [Deleted User]
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    Taking a look at hospital ICU and Mortality rates, % numbers are remarkably stable.

    Chart below makes a few assumptions. 8 days from case to hospital, 12 days to ICU and 21 days to death, which is based on some of the studies out there, but can be adjusted as appropriate. But it appears remarkably stable.

    529964.JPG


  • #839
    Hqrry113
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is this the PUP payment you are talking about?

    I was on it a few months ago and applied online with a non verified mygov id and didn't have to submit any paperwork

    Do they verify that your out of work or are they just handing it out left right and center?


  • #840
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Fast Twitch wrote: »
    I agree. Some sectors see themselves in a totally different light than others see them. It's librarianship. I'm one but don't consider libraries essential. 80% of my colleagues think they are essential to the mental health of the nation. Constant tweeting and facebook rubbish last lockdown. If you don't read you're in some way a cretin.


    Do you have to do any kind of work away from home? I know most public libraries do some kind of ordering service, but it seems like there's skeleton staff for the most part (and I assume it's closing down on Thursday).


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  • #841
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MOR316 wrote: »
    I think some of us, myself included, have to hold our hands up and admit we got it wrong...

    We said back in March, April and May that the Government and NPHET were doing a great job in handling this...I was wrong! They've made a complete bollocks out of it

    In and out of restrictions for the next 12-15 months is not good for people! It's an absolute nightmare!
    I think they got the first bit right and it was the way to go and the reopening was generally satisfactory. What's made this wholly disappointing is that the plan has no metrics to define what each level means and we are back to what NPHET says with their opaque, non-committal language. The sense that they are a law onto themselves, is also not what we need at this time.

    There needs to be a unity of purpose. NPHET has one focus, the government quite another. Reconciling these aims to identify a common goal would serve all of us better.


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