Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

19-10-2020 06:54PM

Noelle Long Page wrote: »

You know nothing about vaccines obviously. We need the vast majority of people to get vaccinated in order to protect those most vulnerable (some of whom won’t be able to get vaccinated).

This is the whole process by how vaccines are most effective you want to eradicate the virus and to do this you need almost everyone to be vaccinated regardless of if they think they won’t be impacted (you are very foolish to assume you won’t get very very sick from covid btw).

So yes you are anti-vax, the points you make are that of an anti vaxers but you just won’t admit it

You say "anti-vax" as if it's some sort of label to be scared of

Every individual has the right to consent. To flip your label, I would say big pharma love "pro-vaxers" like yourself. You'll be pleased to hear they're already suggesting you'll be requiring multiple doses. Nothing to do with money, obviously. You can have mine.

Elon Musk said he won't be taking the vax as he's also "not at risk from Covid". It's highly likely he knows more about it all than you, considering he's... er, Elon Musk. Maybe also the fact that he's in business with CureVac, one of the vaccine developers.

I'll side with Elon Musk over you on this one. Good luck and good health to you, regardless.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You say "anti-vax" as if it's some sort of label to be scared of Every individual has the right to consent. To flip your label, I would say big pharma love "pro-vaxers" like yourself. You'll be pleased to hear they're already suggesting you'll be requiring multiple doses. Nothing to do with money, obviously. You can have mine.

Elon Musk said he won't be taking the vax as he's also "not at risk from Covid". It's highly likely he knows more about it all than you, considering he's... er, Elon Musk. Maybe also the fact that he's in business with CureVac, one of the vaccine developers.

I'll side with Elon Musk over you on this one. Good luck and good health to you, regardless.

I doubt employees will get the option. You will be forced to either inoculate or don't come to work.

See how that pans out.

fin12 · 19-10-2020 07:02PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I doubt employees will get the option. You will be forced to either inoculate or don't come to work.

See how that pans out.

Nope, not going to happen. And sorry but working from home is going to be the future so it’s none of your employers business whether u are vaccinated or not.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:09PM

fin12 wrote: »

Nope, not going to happen. And sorry but working from home is going to be the future so it’s none of your employers business whether u are vaccinated or not.

I would say it will be when you have the option of attending your workplace or not getting paid.

As I said, see how that one pans out.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-10-2020 07:11PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would say as soon as vaccines are getting rolled out it will be all systems go. Anyone refusing one will be left behind. I cannot see employers tolerating staff refusing them, unless they can provide proper medical reasons for not opting for inoculation anyone working will be obliged to take one, particularly health and other frontline staff.

They are talking up vaccinations by Christmas at this point. Anyone who has underlining issues will be mad to not facilitate any new vaccine rollout.

Pubs will be open the day vaccines start, if not before.

Medical stuff is private. Anti vaxers will probably have every right to choose whether to get a vaccine or not. You're describing what you want to be the the case.

Same with pubs opening the day vaccination becomes approved. Pubs sure open todsy if that's what you mean. There's a long way to go between vaccination becoming available and things going back to normal.

People's capacity for unrealistic optimism is endless. Totally disjointed from rurality

fin12 · 19-10-2020 07:11PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would say it will be when you have the option of attending your workplace or not getting paid.

As I said, see how that one pans out.

I’m not going to look how anything pans out, cause a vaccine cannot be forced on anyone.

I’m putting u on mute anyway, cause the sh*t that comes out of ur mouth is unbelievable.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:14PM

fin12 wrote: »

I’m not going to look how anything pans out, cause a vaccine cannot be forced on anyone.

I’m putting u on mute anyway, cause the sh*t that comes out of ur mouth is unbelievable.

You will have the option of taking your medicine or losing your job.

See how that pans out for you.

cian68 · 19-10-2020 07:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Elon Musk said he won't be taking the vax as he's also "not at risk from Covid". It's highly likely he knows more about it all than you, considering he's... er, Elon Musk. .

Does he work in medicine?

El_Duderino 09 · 19-10-2020 07:21PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You will have the option of taking your medicine or losing your job.

See how that pans out for you.

That's fantasy. And the fact that your fantasy is based around getting the pubs open is actually pretty sad. There's much more at stake than that but our government won't mandate vaccination nor will it allow employers to demand evidence of vaccination

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:21PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Medical stuff is private. Anti vaxers will probably have every right to choose whether to get a vaccine or not. You're describing what you want to be the the case.

They will have the right to work without pay, at best. Otherwise employers will start letting staff go, especially in the private sector.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Same with pubs opening the day vaccination becomes approved. Pubs sure open todsy if that's what you mean. There's a long way to go between vaccination becoming available and things going back to normal.

As soon as vaccines are available the pubs will start opening, people have had enough now. There will be some waver or other rubbish that punters might be expected to sign, but people will be pouring back into the pubs.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:23PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's fantasy. And the fact that your fantasy is based around getting the pubs open is actually pretty sad. There's much more at stake than that but our government won't mandate vaccination nor will it allow employers to demand evidence of vaccination

You sound deluded.

Everyone will be back on the piss soon enough.

Anti-vaxers will be forced to take the dole.

19-10-2020 07:27PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You will have the option of taking your medicine or losing your job.

See how that pans out for you.

You sound like one of the villians from this movie

Needle poised... "see how that pans out for ya"

The cure is coming, my friend :pac:

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MrStuffins · 19-10-2020 07:36PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You will have the option of taking your medicine or losing your job.

Think the drummer from the Corrs tweeted this as well

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:40PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Think the drummer from the Corrs tweeted this as well

Jim is cute enough. He has a few crazy notions about how life should be and he likes winding everyone up.

He almost sounds a bit like you Monsieur Stuffins.

fin12 · 19-10-2020 07:42PM

I thought this thread was about pubs but some langer keeps banging on about a vaccine. Take it somewhere else.

MrStuffins · 19-10-2020 07:42PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Jim is cute enough. He has a few crazy notions about how life should be and he likes winding everyone up.

He almost sounds a bit like you Monsieur Stuffins.

Only when he sings!

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 07:43PM

fin12 wrote: »

I thought this thread was about pubs but some langer keeps banging on about a vaccine. Take it somewhere else.

All bar staff will not be able to work without getting a vaccine I would imagine.

It is very relevant.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-10-2020 07:45PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You will have the option of taking your medicine or losing your job.

See how that pans out for you.

Hi Adolf.

19-10-2020 07:46PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's fantasy. And the fact that your fantasy is based around getting the pubs open is actually pretty sad. There's much more at stake than that but our government won't mandate vaccination nor will it allow employers to demand evidence of vaccination

He's only trolling... Well, I hope he is anyway, for his own sake

As for "mandates", you're right, of course; we're not at Auschwitz here. Thanks for your sensible/balanced views.

PommieBast · 19-10-2020 07:53PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would say as soon as vaccines are getting rolled out it will be all systems go. Anyone refusing one will be left behind. I cannot see employers tolerating staff refusing them, unless they can provide proper medical reasons for not opting for inoculation anyone working will be obliged to take one, particularly health and other frontline staff.

That's assuming there is enough for everyone.

https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751 (FT free to read)

El_Duderino 09 · 19-10-2020 07:56PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They will have the right to work without pay, at best. Otherwise employers will start letting staff go, especially in the private sector.

As soon as vaccines are available the pubs will start opening, people have had enough now. There will be some waver or other rubbish that punters might be expected to sign, but people will be pouring back into the pubs.

Oh right. Is it Leo or Micheal I'm speaking with now?

This is grand if you're saying what you'd like to happen, but it's very unlikely to actually happen.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 08:03PM

PommieBast wrote: »

That's assuming there is enough for everyone.

https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751 (FT free to read)

It is the same as everyone being vaccinated. In theory.

But frontline staff such as Gards, nurses, Doctors, The Army, Bus Drivers etc etc will all be forced to vaccinate. The purpose of the article is to facilitate the NHS not having to fork out 80 million injections to every Tom Mary or Lisa this side of Merthyr Tydfil. But they will be rolling out a vaccine program for sure.

Once vaccinations commence society will start getting back to normal. Anti-vaxers will be faced with a choice. Do I work and get paid or do I go on unpaid leave. I cannot see it working any other way tbh. Anti vaxers who work in the private sector may not even get the option of unpaid leave. Particularly bar and restaurant staff.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-10-2020 08:05PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You sound deluded.

Everyone will be back on the piss soon enough.

Anti-vaxers will be forced to take the dole.

I'm just looking at the reality. The logistics of getting a vaccine approved as effective and safe, mass produced, distributed and administered and all the appropriate bureaucracy. These things take time. A year might be very optimistic.

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 08:14PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'm just looking at the reality. The logistics of getting a vaccine approved as effective and safe, mass produced, distributed and administered and all the appropriate bureaucracy. These things take time. A year might be very optimistic.

I would say they already have one.

I agree, logistics might be a headache, but whoever is in the race to develop one will have a team owning this process also.

Whoever gets there first will make the most money.

I also reckon that corners will be cut to roll any vaccine out. If I was someone who was vulnerable I would already have my name on a list.

19-10-2020 08:19PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is the same as everyone being vaccinated. In theory.

But frontline staff such as Gards, nurses, Doctors, The Army, Bus Drivers etc etc will all be forced to vaccinate. The purpose of the article is to facilitate the NHS not having to fork out 80 million injections to every Tom Mary or Lisa this side of Merthyr Tydfil. But they will be rolling out a vaccine program for sure.

Once vaccinations commence society will start getting back to normal. Anti-vaxers will be faced with a choice. Do I work and get paid or do I go on unpaid leave. I cannot see it working any other way tbh. Anti vaxers who work in the private sector may not even get the option of unpaid leave. Particularly bar and restaurant staff.

Hear hear, we need to force vaccinate every single person on this planet. From Antarctica to the Amazon, from Mississippi to Mullingar.. We should inject all animals and wildlife too, just to be extra sure. Only then can we safely reopen the pubs and assess how it all "panned out".

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 08:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hear hear, we need to force vaccinate every single person on this planet. From Antarctica to the Amazon, from Mississippi to Mullingar.. We should inject all animals and wildlife too, just to be extra sure. Only then can we safely reopen the pubs and assess how it all "panned out".

Now you are just rambling nonsense.

Be careful, the nights are getting darker, be good to yourself.

munster87 · 19-10-2020 08:28PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Now you are just rambling nonsense.

Be careful, the nights are getting darker, be good to yourself.

I’m not even sure they are a doctor

IAMAMORON · 19-10-2020 08:30PM

munster87 wrote: »

I’m not even sure they are a doctor

Pardon?

mikekerry · 19-10-2020 08:36PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Now you are just rambling nonsense.

Be careful, the nights are getting darker, be good to yourself.

You have a very close relationship with the word nonsense

19-10-2020 08:38PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Pardon?

He's questioning my medical license, it would seem. Next he'll be questioning whether you really are a moron. Vaccinate him, quick :pac:

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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