Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 08:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People on here calling for the army would wanna get their heads checked ffs.
Take a second and read what you’re saying and think about it before posting such nonsense.

Seriously , have seen the army out for less .
Maybe you just haven't seen that yet ?

brookers · 18-10-2020 08:30PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Sunday evening , kids finally in bed, few hours chill in front of tv with newspaper and a can, .....what are the government or nphet leakers gonna drop for the 9 o clock news!!

Simon Harris said level 3 clearly didnt work. Move to higher restrictions, probably 4, which in my humble opinion, not a scientist or anything wont work either.

mcburns07 · 18-10-2020 08:30PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Seriously , have seen the army out for less .
Maybe you just haven't seen that yet ?

Helping out during floods is hardly comparable to wanting the army out to enforce law and order. Behave.

Leftwaffe · 18-10-2020 08:31PM

Will barbers be closed again then on level 4?

rovers_runner · 18-10-2020 08:31PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Sunday evening , kids finally in bed, few hours chill in front of tv with newspaper and a can, .....what are the government or nphet leakers gonna drop for the 9 o clock news!!

George Lee to appear on 9 o'clock news in gimp suit and ball gag.
Level 5 surrender incoming.

mcburns07 · 18-10-2020 08:31PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Will barbers be closed again then on level 4?

Yep and beauticians etc

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 08:32PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Here is where your logic fails. If the 'damned rest' just get on with it and fall ill, they will need care, taking up the beds and other facilities that the protected vulnerable might require anyway, because of their specific conditions. Hospitals can not function with high levels of covid in the buildings, regardless of what age the actual covid patients are. If young medical staff themselves need care, who looks after the other patients?

Selective protection will not work. Everyone is vulnerable to some degree and once the numbers spiral so will the demand on health services and we are back to square one.

Also the higher community transmission , less able to protect the vulnerable or prevent outbreaks in nursing home or hospitals.

PowerToWait · 18-10-2020 08:32PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ever since covid began we have began an obsession with mortality, I hadn't a clue before this that 100-150 people died a day, that cancer took so many lives in this country. But now we hear of 2 deaths from covid or even with covid and its, God isn't it shocking, we need to do everything we can to stop it, get the army in. Do you think when this is over we will continue to be so obsessed with death. Will it carry over into our health service, will it improve. Will people care so much about all the other deaths when this is over.

I'm still surprised that people still don't understand. For every 1000 cases 5 will need an extended stay in an ICU bed. That's 40 ICU beds a week if the numbers of cases remain stable and they're likely to increase let's face it.

That's 40 per beds per week not available for all sorts of other reasons, illnesses, post op recovery etc. Every week (most likely more).

So in addition to the Covid deaths you have the deaths resulting indirectly from huge pressure on the health system. In the US it was estimated this week that there have been 75000 deaths indirectly linked to Covid, since February.

So, I mean, it's obvious what this means. It's a very bad thing to let this thing get out of control. There will be lots of 'other deaths'.

Leftwaffe · 18-10-2020 08:32PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Yep and beauticians etc

Thanks. Are we looking at tomorrow night or Tuesday night for restrictions coming in?

odyssey06 · 18-10-2020 08:32PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Will barbers be closed again then on level 4?

Yes, unless they can cut your hair outside

JeffKenna · 18-10-2020 08:32PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Out for a walk tonight, saw 7 or 8 lads walking down the street with loadza beers. Don't really have much to say on it, but Govt. naive if they think closing down non essential retail and hotels is the solution. Really naive.

I'm fairly relaxed about things but I was really surprised at the gangs of youths buying alcohol in Tesco last night. One girl was carrying about 7 or 8 bags of ice with the next carrying loads of vodka bottles. Some major parties happened last night.

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2020 08:33PM

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Anybody calling for that should be mocked to the last.

There was a poster here some time back calling for certain measures when it was pointed out those measures would be illegal under the constitution the response was 'fcuk the constitution'. That is the mindset of individual you are dealing with how want soldiers on the street.

Jim_Hodge · 18-10-2020 08:33PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Will barbers be closed again then on level 4?

Depends on what they announce. As it stands in L4 they should be but there is allowance for 'essential'.

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 08:35PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Helping out during floods is hardly comparable to wanting the army out to enforce law and order. Behave.

I am behaved . Have nothing to fear , but thanks anyway !
This is when we need them, I now agree with those posters who have called for it .
Other countries have their armies out enforcing curfews etc.

thebronze14 · 18-10-2020 08:35PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Just heard of another creche that has to close over positive case, they have to start to consider schools at some stage for closure with rising numbers

I'm a Primary School teacher and am more than happy to keep going. For my own sanity and the well being of the kids. My main gripe is that someone in my class gets it only a handful of kids are seen as close contact. This is a disgrace imo. As much as we have tried to keep pods separated, it's nigh on impossible to fully implement this. I certainly wouldn't feel safe going in for my own safety and that of the fellow students. It's the elephant in the room regarding schools at the moment and needs to be adressed

Ned Led Zeppo · 18-10-2020 08:38PM

Not a sound from China at all. How come they have gotten over the virus?

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 08:38PM

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Anybody calling for that should be mocked to the last.

So you don't think you should try to debate the issue , just mock a poster ?

brookers · 18-10-2020 08:38PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I'm still surprised that people still don't understand. For every 1000 cases 5 will need an extended stay in an ICU bed. That's 40 ICU beds a week if the numbers of cases remain stable and they're likely to increase let's face it.

That's 40 per beds per week not available for all sorts of other reasons, illnesses, post op recovery etc. Every week (most likely more).

So in addition to the Covid deaths you have the deaths resulting indirectly from huge pressure on the health system. In the US it was estimated this week that there have been 75000 deaths indirectly linked to Covid, since February.

So, I mean, it's obvious what this means. It's a very bad thing to let this thing get out of control. There will be lots of 'other deaths'.

You might as well be talking to the wall, if I hear one more time about cancer deaths. Can people not understand it or get it, if there are too many covid patients in a hospital needing treatment, that means people who are having strokes, heart attacks, may not the care they need. When you are bad with covid in hospital it takes a huge amount of resources to keep you alive. Jane mac what is wrong with people that they cant understand.

mcburns07 · 18-10-2020 08:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I am behaved . Have nothing to fear , but thanks anyway !
This is when we need them, I now agree with those posters who have called for it .
Other countries have their armies out enforcing curfews etc.

Other than France (some cities), which other countries in Europe currently have curfews?

AlphaDelta1 · 18-10-2020 08:40PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm fairly relaxed about things but I was really surprised at the gangs of youths buying alcohol in Tesco last night. One girl was carrying about 7 or 8 bags of ice with the next carrying loads of vodka bottles. Some major parties happened last night.

Yup one right across the road from me. 30-40 people at a 21st until 4am when the Gardai finally arrived and stopped it on noise control issue. Spoke to another neighbour today who rang them 3 times between 11am and 2am before they gave in and went asleep. Young one who was 21 works in a centre for adults with disabilities also.

Loafing Oaf · 18-10-2020 08:42PM

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

Not a sound from China at all. How come they have gotten over the virus?

Because the virus recognises they are

Lollipop95 · 18-10-2020 08:42PM

Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »

Not a sound from China at all. How come they have gotten over the virus?

Seems like life is more or less back to normal for them: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-back-to-normal-us-europe-struggle-2020-10%3famp

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 08:42PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I am behaved . Have nothing to fear , but thanks anyway !
This is when we need them, I now agree with those posters who have called for it .
Other countries have their armies out enforcing curfews etc.

The army are doing testing and being brought back in for contact tracing.

Apart from that you wont see them on the street. I remember seeing an interview from the Garda commissioner and he was asked a question suggesting army be used to assist Gardai and he basically said no thats not needed nor would it be requested. Will see if I can try and find it

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 08:42PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I hope the Cabinet have a sleepless night. Sorry now. They wasted the Summer hiatus and now we are approaching Winter are getting very twitchy about capacity in the hospitals. Idiots. Where is Paul Reid our HSE saviour? No, the Unions rule the roost and it was ever thus. He is on a hiding to nothing. Just like EVERY single CEO of the HSE before him. But he's getting a humgungous salary for not facing them down, so that's ok I suppose lol.

Meanwhile we have Nphet on the other side mostly made up of lifers in the CS, medical side, and HSE who say shut everything down.

Now if they do shut everything down with some reason, all the decision makers for this should accept the Covid payment for a week or two or ,more, in solidarity. But they won't. They see the WFH Civil Servants on full pay, and the other IFSC etc. cohort the same.

Solidarity needs to be with those on the precipice of existing or living some kind of life now who cannot do what they can do on full salary.

Why do you always resort to that same sxxx about the unions ?
I agree with everything else you are saying , just not that.
Unions have nothing to do with this crisis , and have been supportive throughout .
I would appreciate if you would either provide proof of what you are saying in this regard or get off that particular soapbox.

spookwoman · 18-10-2020 08:43PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Other than France (some cities), which other countries in Europe currently have curfews?

Belgium
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-belgium-brussels-europe-3c86f3d021b3c855893c058316722dcf

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2020 08:45PM

The problem now is those who transmit this. I don't need to spell it out.

The vast majority are abiding by the rules. But those who don't need to be tackled big time.

Schools is one, and full marks to the teachers and SNA's going into the pit every day. But it is more than that.

The new rules will really only impact those who have been observing all along really, since there is no enforcement for those who don't or won't. And a school positive test is saying there is no need for anyone else to isolate or be tested. Talk about a snow job!

Am I right here or over reacting?

mcburns07 · 18-10-2020 08:45PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Belgium
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-belgium-brussels-europe-3c86f3d021b3c855893c058316722dcf

Currently? Starts next week and no mention of being enforced by the army.

FintanMcluskey · 18-10-2020 08:48PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

You can't protect the vulnerable if the virus is running wild in the rest of society.
The vulnerable are 30% of the population. They don't exist in a sterile bubble.

What defines vulnerable?

Using the stat of 30% of the population are vulnerable.

Ireland has had about 50k confirmed cases across the population

Using the stat of vulnerable at 30% is about 16k cases.

Taking out approx 2k deaths, did 14000 require hospital treatment?

Also remember the WHO believe up to 10 times the official number have actually been infected, hence why the CFR in Ireland is over 3.5% since March, but much less for the last 3 months.

Dr Colm Henry from the HSE said this week 80% of those presently testing positive have mild symptoms or are asymptotic.

JP Liz V1 · 18-10-2020 08:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People on here calling for the army would wanna get their heads checked ffs.
Take a second and read what you’re saying and think about it before posting such nonsense.

Why if it will help the Gardai and break up large gatherings and parties, lockdown restrictions are not working as no reinforcement, the government can put us any level but without more powers given to the Gardai and army if needed nothing will change, we need again to flatten the curve, get numbers down and if I need my head checked for that so be it, you can call me what you want but time has come to get strict and tough so why not bring in the army

martingriff · 18-10-2020 08:50PM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Hopefully they’ll actually just enforce level 3 without crippling the economy

It will be more the Level 3. They will not call it Level 4 or 5. They will make it mandatory for work from home or majority at home. Also new powers for gardai As I said in another post it is also critical they let hospital appointments to continue

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Comments