Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Ger Roe · 18-10-2020 07:23PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nah, give AGS the tools necessary to do their job. The army have no civilian policing skills.

You haven't seen them policing in South Lebanon or on many other of the UN missions that Ireland has taken part in. Their diplomacy and people skills are highly regarded internationally and this has made them the first choice to carry out missions in some of the toughest UN mission areas.

It's only at home that they are generally not well respected for the work that they do. Unfortunately, and mainly because most people don't know what they do on the world stage, on their behalf.

But let's not go off on an army debate tangent, they would be more than capable of aiding the civil power, if requested.

18-10-2020 07:23PM

Polar101 wrote: »

My mother is of a similar age, and she wouldn't know how to order anything online either.

Wouldn't agree with views such as "elderly people don't know how to use computers" at all, though.

A lot of the now elderly are missing out on the visits home from emigrated children who would come regularly and keep their computers up to speed, help them with the Smart phones etc. Since Covid started in March, many have not come home either because of travel restrictions or because they don't want to risk the older person's health.

s1ippy · 18-10-2020 07:28PM

I wish I had two wives, maybe then I'd be lithe and fit with a perfect BMI; much better able to mount that incredibly high horse.

theballz · 18-10-2020 07:28PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's known that obseity is a major factor in how bad one might suffer from Covid. Alot of muffin stuffers should drop the fork and go for a walk

Hahhahahahha

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2020 07:28PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

You haven't seen them policing in South Lebanon or on many other of the UN missions that Ireland has taken part in. Their diplomacy and people skills are highly regarded internationally and this has made them the first choice to carry out missions in some of the toughest UN mission areas.

It's only at home that they are generally not well respected for the work that they do. Unfortunately, and mainly because most people don't know what they do on the world stage, on their behalf.

But let's not go off on an army debate tangent, they would be more than capable of aiding the civil power, if requested.

They are not trained or invested with powers to police the civilian population. As you say no need to go off on a tangent.

ronano · 18-10-2020 07:29PM

Is there evidence schools are a large driver of the cases?

HeyV · 18-10-2020 07:30PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sorry are you calling me an idiot ? Would appreciate if you could retract that remark if so, completely unwarranted.

I dont agree with large gatherings, if you've been around this thread long enough you'll know that.

I'm pointing out that the Gardai as it stands today can't break up people standing in the street under any covid related legislation.

Like it or not that's the current state of play, we can get enraged all we want and call for Gardai to do something but their hands are tied

That shouldn’t be the case Stephen though. A poster here last night posted about a party in their estate and was told no point in ringing the guards because there’s nothing they can do. This has to fcuking change, the Gardaí should absolutely be allowed to show up at these and break them up.
And the excuses shown here that ‘people are trying to have a normal life’ is sh1te... I’d say half of these parties or more are being held just because they can and get away with it in defiance to guidelines.

Antares35 · 18-10-2020 07:30PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Would you quit painting all older people like Neanderthals. I don't know one person under 75 without a debit or credit card and who couldn't complete a sale online.

My dad is 74. He got locked down in Spain for the worst of it and couldn't get home. He learned to do his shopping online, managed to order flowers to be delivered to me when I had the baby, he joined the library and downloaded some books for himself, went online and applied for his airfare refund, set up PayPal and used his pension to pay for things that way, and even managed a few zoom calls with family

This is a man who before the pandemic used to ask me to book his flights.

Funsterdelux · 18-10-2020 07:31PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's known that obseity is a major factor in how bad one might suffer from Covid. Alot of muffin stuffers should drop the fork and go for a walk

I prefer to stuff my muffins sans fork!

Antares35 · 18-10-2020 07:32PM

HeyV wrote: »

That shouldn’t be the case Stephen though. A poster here last night posted about a party in their estate and was told no point in ringing the guards because there’s nothing they can do. This has to fcuking change, the Gardaí should absolutely be allowed to show up at these and break them up.
And the excuses shown here that ‘people are trying to have a normal life’ is sh1te... I’d say half of these parties or more are being held just because they can and get away with it in defiance to guidelines.

But but but, mental health and all that.

s1ippy · 18-10-2020 07:32PM

ronano wrote: »

Is there evidence schools are a large driver of the cases?

There isn't testing of close contacts happening in schools, so it's impossible to know the real situation. Many parents sending children for tests are those whose children have asthma and thus a cough. This explains the large number of negative swabs in children.

niamh247 wrote: »

"Cases not high" doesn't mean "no transmission". We are talking about hubs of transmission, not cases in hubs.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/600905740607906?multi_permalinks=636800987018381%2C636787830353030%2C636787110353102%2C636764433688703%2C636751693689977&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1602850870189891&ref=m_notif

There's a tonne of cases going up on this page every day. There are least eight schools closed until after the midterm around the country due to outbreaks.

The Mighty Quinn · 18-10-2020 07:32PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Facts seem to upset some people, ah well.

I'm a few stone overweight and take no offence at what you're saying .you're absolutely right.

It's my biggest failing in life probably, and the embarrassment of being "larger" and the knowledge I'm asking for trouble hasn't spurred me into action to change it. It's more than just being lazy for some. I walk my two dogs a few miles twice most days, unfortunately I just binge eat frequently as well.

I let myself down most days, and that embeds a darkness in my mind more each day.

Some day maybe I'll overcome it, but it's a psychological issue.

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2020 07:33PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Or living in Dublin and complaining about it.

Ah no you are right, it's the culchies for sure, licking the county GAA silverware and going hoop ya boyo after the match and then going full on mental. With due respect to those actually suffering from mental illness, of course.

Would never happen in Dublin, far too compliant

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 07:34PM

Seamai wrote: »

Don't be trying to jinx things, the last thing we want is a repetition of the two bad winters we had ten and eleven years ago.

Was just thinking if this last night when we were discussing the NCT .
I ended up walking an hour to and from work for 3 weeks in 2009 and 2010 in deep snow and ice .
It was ..refreshing

HeyV · 18-10-2020 07:34PM

Antares35 wrote: »

But but but, mental health and all that.

What?

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 07:34PM

HeyV wrote: »

That shouldn’t be the case Stephen though. A poster here last night posted about a party in their estate and was told no point in ringing the guards because there’s nothing they can do. This has to fcuking change, the Gardaí should absolutely be allowed to show up at these and break them up.
And the excuses shown here that ‘people are trying to have a normal life’ is sh1te... I’d say half of these parties or more are being held just because they can and get away with it in defiance to guidelines.

I saw that post last night,
Unfortunately Gardai can't enter a private home in that circumstance without a warrant, its a constitutional issue, hence the issue surrounding house parties. They can park up and sit outside and make things uncomfortable but does it do any good ? I doubt it.

What the solution is I dont know but at the moment that's the state of play.

Like I said we can get ourselves worked up and vent about it but it is what it is at the moment.

18-10-2020 07:35PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah no you are right, it's the culchies for sure, licking the county GAA silverware and going hoop ya boyo after the match and then going full on mental. With due respect to those actually suffering from mental illness, of course.

Would never happen in Dublin, far too compliant

We have been holding onto the silverware for the last few years alright.

manniot2 · 18-10-2020 07:36PM

I don’t give this government or the establishment in Ireland credit for much but I must give them credit for this absolute master stroke they have achieved in pitting everyone against each other with blame while the disaster of a health service goes unmentioned. And this will do on, wait until the 6 weeks at level 5 are over and we’re still at high numbers, the blame will be on us again, and not the fact that this is Illness is seasonal and cannot be properly tested for using pcr.

MerlinSouthDub · 18-10-2020 07:36PM

s1ippy wrote: »

There isn't testing of close contacts happening in schools, so it's impossible to know the real situation. Many parents sending children for tests are those whose children have asthma and thus a cough. This explains the large number of negative swabs in children.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/600905740607906?multi_permalinks=636800987018381%2C636787830353030%2C636787110353102%2C636764433688703%2C636751693689977&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1602850870189891&ref=m_notif

There's a tonne of cases going up on this page every day. There are least eight schools closed until after the midterm around the country due to outbreaks.

Impossible to tell? Take at look at the ONS data in the UK - a randomised sample and therefore a great set of data. Infection rates in primary school children have barely increased since schools returned. The infection rate is far lower than e.g. young adults. It's great data. A pity we don't have the same random sample here, but zero reason to believe it would be any different in Ireland.

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2020 07:38PM

khalessi wrote: »

I think the objection is to how you phrased it. It is almost like you are looking for a reaction, interesting.

Thought people were against sugar coating stuff here?
If you think my comment was objectionable I would suggest you are very selective in what you find interesting.

speckle · 18-10-2020 07:38PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

And that post was thanked by 3 people who have been on here going on about jobs, mental health issues and disability cuts .
Just shows all just bs from these.
Disappointing .

And i am one if them golden girl... with underlying issues and high risk do you not think peoole like me and other want that information so we can judge risks?. Or do you not think about that we bl**dy well know if there is an economic reccession or deprression we will get hit first like last time and some of us will die then instead.

We may be high risk but not as stupid as some of the snide posts and posters I see on here trying in an around about way be personal without getting bannned.

People with disabilities can disagree with the governemnt/nephet and the pro or anti lockdown groups and your or my own posts.

Maybe some of us know what the real damage of say for example mental ill health leads to and want to make sure restrictions are not worse then the disease. Thought medics learnt something similiar?
So all I amm saying dont jump to conclusions, read all my posts

HeyV · 18-10-2020 07:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I saw that post last night,
Unfortunately Gardai can't enter a private home in that circumstance without a warrant, its a constitutional issue, hence the issue surrounding house parties. They can park up and sit outside and make things uncomfortable but does it do any good ? I doubt it.

What the solution is I dont know but at the moment that's the state of play.

Like I said we can get ourselves worked up and vent about it but it is what it is at the moment.

Well it needs to change Stephen. I’m as sick of it as everyone else. Hope some enforcement goes along with whatever is announced, otherwise we are pissing in the wind trying to get anywhere with this.

s1ippy · 18-10-2020 07:39PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Impossible to tell? Take at look at the ONS data in the UK - a randomised sample and therefore a great set of data. Infection rates in primary school children have barely increased since schools returned. The infection rate is far lower than e.g. young adults. It's great data. A pity we don't have the same random sample here, but zero reason to believe it would be any different in Ireland.

Secondary school is a different can of worms entirely though.

Antares35 · 18-10-2020 07:40PM

HeyV wrote: »

What?

Sorry it was a reference to people constantly trotting out that line about mental health, when in fact most of them just want an excuse to party. At one point some people were claiming that we could lose more people to suicide because of covid than covid itself because we would be so upset at being locked down that we'd start killing ourselves.

Goldengirl · 18-10-2020 07:40PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nah, give AGS the tools necessary to do their job. The army have no civilian policing skills.

This is incorrect.
The army have been involved in civil policing through floods and any UN service is mainly civil policing.

JP Liz V1 · 18-10-2020 07:41PM

Just heard of another creche that has to close over positive case, they have to start to consider schools at some stage for closure with rising numbers

MerlinSouthDub · 18-10-2020 07:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Secondary school is a different can of worms entirely though.

It is slightly different, I agree (albeit still far lower infection rates than young adults). There is more scope for a mixed virtual/physical learning model at secondary level though I'm dubious that it would make much difference to infection rates. The kids, teenagers, would likely spend time together outside of school (rules or no rules)

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2020 07:45PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

We have been holding onto the silverware for the last few years alright.

Might be a year without it, but yep, the Dubs are great in fairness. Who would have thought that a non culchie county would do so well. Driving all the boggers mad.

I have a pic of my little nephew (pre Covid of course) sitting inside of Sam. Those were the happy days. The Dub manager Jim Gavin was behind all that. from Clondalkin and brought the cup to all the schools in the vicinity and as far away as the Dublin Border lol. Was mighty for the kids. But don't know how it will go now. The eldest nephew is hurling mad.

khalessi · 18-10-2020 07:47PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Thought people were against sugar coating stuff here?
If you think my comment was objectionable I would suggest you are very selective in what you find interesting.

It wasnt me that was objecting, I can't help how you were raised. I was merely explaining reason for the other reaction.

FintanMcluskey · 18-10-2020 07:48PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Might be a year without it, but yep, the Dubs are great in fairness. Who would have thought that a non culchie county would do so well. Driving all the boggers mad.

I have a pic of my little nephew (pre Covid of course) sitting inside of Sam. Those were the happy days. The Dub manager Jim Gavin was behind all that. from Clondalkin and brought the cup to all the schools in the vicinity and as far away as the Dublin Border lol. Was mighty for the kids. But don't know how it will go now. The eldest nephew is hurling mad.

Thankfully when the economy crashes the Dubs won’t be able to afford any more Sam Maguire’s and we won’t need listen to this nonsense.

Every cloud and all that

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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