Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Happydays2020 · 18-10-2020 04:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Agree which is why I don't see the point in closing retail when all you do is fuel pent up demand, seems pointless to me.

Much better to leave them open as they have been since June and have demand spread out.

But that is real world solutions based on common sense....

xhomelezz · 18-10-2020 04:22PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Not sure how any of this is going to make a difference to be honest.

The virus continues to spread either because:
A) People have decided they are sick Of restrictions and they are going to socialise anyway no matter what happens, therefore L5 won’t make a difference, it’ll only make the economy worse.
the virus is spreading in schools. The government absolutely won’t shut schools down as politically it will be seen as them rowing back and economically it’ll mean parents not going to work.
Of course the other problem is the poor quality of education kids will receive at home from parents instead of teachers (im mainly talking about primary here) but this could be averted if the department of education planned for hybrid learning.

They never bothered, which is actually wrecking my head.

Boggles · 18-10-2020 04:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

So the "plan" has been officially fúcked out the window and are proceeding with making it up as we go along.

This is a plan which gives clarity of each of our responsibilities. It includes concrete measures and shows how we can limit impact of the virus

That was MM just over a month ago.

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 04:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

So the "plan" has been officially fúcked out the window and are proceeding with making it up as we go along.

That was MM just over a month ago.

That plan was gone within 10 minutes of it being announced with Dublin getting a mix of measures from the start.

Not worth the paper its written on, a smokescreen for the real plan of let's make it up as we go until we get the vaccine

Eod100 · 18-10-2020 04:24PM

Glenomra wrote: »

Apologies if this question has been answered numerous times but I can't find the answer with the plethora of posts. When a person tests positive how many days previous to the test date are checked for close contacts.

48 hours before onset of symptoms afaik

Sweet.Science · 18-10-2020 04:27PM

Not far off normal hospital levels

Let's shut the whole country down

How do we stand for such ****e . Luckily I work from home but if I didn't I'd be marching with all the lunatics in town

Eod100 · 18-10-2020 04:28PM

I don't get the link between evictions and travel within counties. And thought 5km was being rejected anyways. Anyone know what that's about? " An eviction ban will also be introduced to coincide with any new measures restricting travel within counties to ensure people cannot be put out of their homes during a second lockdown."

Stheno · 18-10-2020 04:29PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't get the link between evictions and travel within counties. And thought 5km was being rejected anyways. Anyone know what that's about? " An eviction ban will also be introduced to coincide with any new measures restricting travel within counties to ensure people cannot be put out of their homes during a second lockdown."

Its just badly written i think?

Or is it that if people can't be evicted they won't be travelling to move in with family?

BorneTobyWilde · 18-10-2020 04:29PM

In theory if everyone spent 14 days alone the virus would be gone.

bodhrandude · 18-10-2020 04:30PM

Has anyone seen the clip that has apparently went viral from RTE news, a journalist went up to some woman and asked what they thought of the proposed restrictions to which she retorts 'I don't give two flying fcuks.'

Silent Running · 18-10-2020 04:31PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

In theory if everyone spent 14 days alone the virus would be gone.

... until the next ferry arrives, or flight, or car crossing the non existent border.

Kh1993 · 18-10-2020 04:32PM

manniot2 wrote: »

can someone please explain what the point was of wearing masks in non essential shops if we are now closing them as they are deemed to be the cause of spread?

Good point. Can see people now thinking masks are useless and binning them. They were supposed to be the be all and end all and now they’re seemingly not enough.

Eod100 · 18-10-2020 04:32PM

Stheno wrote: »

Its just badly written i think?

Or is it that if people can't be evicted they won't be travelling to move in with family?

Maybe but surely finding a roof over your head would be essential reason for travel in any case?

FintanMcluskey · 18-10-2020 04:33PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Yes, what WHO basically says is, if you are fcuked use the lockdown and rethink your future strategies. They don't say do not use lockdowns.

Ok, so Ireland is neither fcuked or has any notion of rethinking its strategies.

jam_mac_jam · 18-10-2020 04:33PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

Good point. Can see people now thinking masks are useless and binning them. They were supposed to be the be all and end all and now they’re seemingly not enough.

They reduce risk they don't eliminate it.

Gruffalux · 18-10-2020 04:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Problem with this, if it is so, is that the plan will not work then and the unpleasant restrictions will have been for nothing in 4 to 6 weeks. The climb may slow but it won't stop.

So many come in under the exemptions clauses that in effect it will continue almost as is. The essential builders and outdoor workers will still share lifts, drive in from different parts of the country, use local petrol pumps and sandwich bars, gather in the welfare units, people in the essential manufacturing factories will still huddle together on smoke breaks and share lifts and be in close contact at work, the people in the essential retail outlets will do their thing as of now. Only the schools will somehow magically not spread virus, I know that much. With so many exemptions people can ignore the restrictions.

The thing that people seem to forget is the lockdown from March to May radically halted viral spread. Because it was an actual lockdown.
This is shaping up to be both half-arsed and unenforceable and I don't think it will do a huge amount to change the course of the numbers.

Happydays2020 · 18-10-2020 04:35PM

Balanced from Mary Regan

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/1017/1172110-politics-analysis/

KerryConnor · 18-10-2020 04:36PM

On the subject of schools..I teach in a primary school and really hope we re able to stay open.
However there needs to be proper testing in schools for this to happen.
There's been 6800 tests of close contact s in schools. that's a tiny number. So many stories (including local to our school) of multiple cases in a particular school and the subsequent risk assessment deeming "no close contact s" or only sending a few home. Children don't socially distance and aren't wearing masks. The only way to stop it bring rampant in schools..and as a result rampant in wider society, is to close the year or school in question down for 14 days and mass test at the school.
I don't think schools as a whole should close again but please, please start mass testing and actually figuring out what's going on in schools rather than leaving it a mystery.

froog · 18-10-2020 04:36PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

Good point. Can see people now thinking masks are useless and binning them. They were supposed to be the be all and end all and now they’re seemingly not enough.

except they were never touted as a be all and end all.

can't believe there are still anti maskers around. what an odd thing to get fixated on.

ronin88 · 18-10-2020 04:37PM

Any idea where this would leave the GAA championship? I see the GPA said they wouldn’t continue with anything more than level 4.

I assume it won’t continue considering they can’t socially bubble as most are teachers and guards.

BorneTobyWilde · 18-10-2020 04:38PM

Short term pain for long term gain. Wuhan did it. We should go big, and kill it for good.

xhomelezz · 18-10-2020 04:38PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok, so Ireland is neither fcuked or has any notion of rethinking its strategies.

After reading that article on indo about new Plan, there's no rethinking involved at all

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 04:41PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Short term pain for long term gain. Wuhan did it. We should go big, and kill it for good.

Sure, put a real number on that short term pain.

nimrod86 · 18-10-2020 04:41PM

Stheno wrote: »

Mines the same if you have to in its temp checking,facemasks at all times, and a few other fairly strict rules

Less than 5% actually have to go in

They have however organised flu vaccinations for us so that will be interesting to go into the office but its a huge open space they will use probably

We were all given thermometers to check ourselves back in March, but as a manufacturing site we still have a lot of people on site

I've argued with higher ups that there are still too many middle management coming in that could work remotely, and to an extent even floor workers who can work remotely (I myself worked remotely from March to June, and am doing so again now after much arguing).

We too do Flu Vaccinations on site, which I do appreciate, but the issue is they have two windows a week for 4 weeks, between 10am and 1pm, to try and get a workplace of over 4000, working shift patterns 24/7... It didn't work for many people last year, and with social distancing this year I imagine it will work for less people now.

Itssoeasy · 18-10-2020 04:41PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Balanced from Mary Regan

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/1017/1172110-politics-analysis/

Well those kind of things have been few and far between. The most disappointing part is the fact that politicians are back to if things were normal and points scoring which is imo a disgrace during a pandemic but maybe I was too hopeful that politician would do what was in the country’s interest as a whole.

B.A._Baracus · 18-10-2020 04:43PM

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

Ironic it must be said.

Gael23 · 18-10-2020 04:44PM

Are they implementing the 5km rule?

Eod100 · 18-10-2020 04:44PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

Ironic it must be said.

Awful either way. Scary that a 33 year old can die from it.

US2 · 18-10-2020 04:46PM

I'm not going to panic buy but do we think the likes of Smyth's could be closed for a few months ? Starting to get stressed out now that Santa won't be able to get much

frank8211 · 18-10-2020 04:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. We know that children transmit illnesses to one another at school.
Ask any parent how many times their child has become ill, whether with flu, tummy bugs, or whatever, when they go back to school in September.

I know of a school where a child tested positive for Coronavirus, and the HSE advised that they had no close contacts, so, no action was necessary.
That school now has 5 cases, - and counting.

If children in the same class as someone with coronavirus are not tested - how would there be any evidence of transmission in schools?

Meanwhile, we are repeatedly told about how people are not observing the guidelines - and some aren't - while ignoring the elephants of encouraging people to take "staycations" (stupid phrase), failing to prepare for wave 2, whether by ramping up test and trace capability, and hospital beds, failing to give the option of tests at ports and airports, - I could go on, but, you get the picture...

Meanwhile, it's all the peoples fault- because if we're all busy pointing fingers at one another we're less likely to do a bit of critical thinking about failures in the system....

You have hit a big nail on the head, Close contacts at school not treats the same as in another workplace. That means they are not tested/ That means fewer of school age become cases. So of course Nolan can cloud the truth by showing cases in that age group not rising and "no evidence schools etc" claim

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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