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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #5792
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    NPHET handled the situation badly, putting the public in a panic at a weekend, surely they should be talking to the government first.

    There's still yet to be any proof that NPHET leaked it and Tony said multiple times that NPHET did not leak it.

    They are also being blamed for leaking the second letter, which imo, is bs. In the briefing they were severely tight-lipped about the NPHET meeting and RTE even said "government sources" confirmed it to them. To accuse them yet again is ridiculous without the proof. There are plenty of ministers out to get NPHET atm so if I was a betting man, my bet would be on one of them.

    We've seen countless times in the course of this new government "sources" saying what is happening in the meeting. Its like a broken tap, dripping everything to the media


  • #5793
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Hmmmm, maybe you missed it but FF and FG just wrote the book on magical money trees with Budget 2020. Massive borrowings and a huge assumption that borrowing rates will stay low for decades to come as the national debt is refinanced. What a precedent to set.

    Fiscal space anyone??

    If borrowing rates rise across the europe they will rise for a reason and that reason will be a boom in the economy so these loans will be more affordable, if we stay in recession the rates will stay low.


  • #5794
    Lollipop95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    Is the general consensus that a level 5 announcement is likely tomorrow? I saw on twitter that Richard Chambers said that if announced, he does not think it will come into effect immediately at 12am tomorrow night.


  • #5795
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I presume you have not been affected financially during all of this, many buisnesses have been destroyed and lives will be destroyed. Its easy preach when you are not the one that has to suffer the most.

    Cut your cloth to meet your measure.... I have to laugh when some people say that because they've quite clearly not taken a financial hit.

    2 family members of mine will be out of work again some day this week, €600 P/W now between them on PUP with 2 kids and a mortgage. How the fućk are they supposed to cut their cloth.

    All in this together... we aren't


  • #5796
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Yo don't reopen the border or the airports until a vaccine is found. Like NZ ...

    So how do people who live on a LAND BORDER continue their lives until a vaccine is found?


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  • #5797
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Russman wrote: »
    So, everyone seems to know where the virus is NOT spreading, it’s not in retail, it’s not in hairdressers, it’s not on the sports pitches etc etc.
    Does anyone know for sure where it IS actually spreading ? Wouldn’t that be the first thing they should shut down ?


    Enclosed tightly packed unventillsted places with the wrong humdity and hospitals in certain parts. That is not to nessessarily blame individuals by the way.
    Edit and places with no sunlight.


  • #5798
    Big Ears
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Yo don't reopen the border or the airports until a vaccine is found. Like NZ ...

    When did New Zealand close (the politically sensitive) land border on their island, which people cross daily for work/health/local shopping needs ?


  • #5799
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    NPHET handled the situation badly, putting the public in a panic at a weekend, surely they should be talking to the government first.

    They did what they were supposed to. They met in emergency session, having informed The Health Minister in advance, then briefing him afterwards, then writing the formal letter for full cabinet consideration. It was after the letter was circulated that the excrement collided with the air circulation device.

    A leak from somewhere then caused all the hoo ha. That 'somewhere' has yet to be clarified, but the process was followed and NPHET would have no cause to screw up the process in advance of an agreed and previously observed consideration procedure.

    The latest leak, this week was again after government had been informed of NPHET recommendations and widely reported by RTE as being confirmed by various government sources, before it was properly considered.


  • #5800
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    rob316 wrote: »
    Mortality rate 0.1%

    for gods sake we know the mortality rate is low at the moment, but as cases go up, numerous more people will need to be hospitalised to keep it low, the beds will not be available and hospitals will be over run with covid cases , so good luck to anyone needing a bed for anything else. why are people still not getting this...

    think of normal winter time with people on trolleys , where the heck do you think people will be now, out on fold up chairs in the car parks...


  • #5801
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Is the general consensus that a level 5 announcement is likely tomorrow? I saw on twitter that Richard Chambers said that if announced, he does not think it will come into effect immediately at 12am tomorrow night.

    It should be announced tomorrow, and put into effect later in the week. Let businesses sell some stock and people get what they need. Few days isn't going to make much difference


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  • #5802
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Covid zero is possible if they shut the border and the airports. Then close down for four weeks with non stop testing.

    Nope it's not, but keep saying it is though. ;-)


  • #5803
    greenfield21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    giveitholly wrote: »
    So how do people who live on a LAND BORDER continue their lives until a vaccine is found?

    You stay within your country.
    Ireland should be able to achieve covid zero, places like the US and UK its unlikely. We are an island nation, sparsely spread throughout with the majority of people working from home which is a huge advantage( civil service, mncs etc). It's terrible leadership that has us here. It's embarrassing how we threw it away. Long winter ahead.


  • #5804
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Covid zero is possible if they shut the border and the airports. Then close down for four weeks with non stop testing.

    Yeah you'd just need to do in the region of 10 million tests a week........ No problem


  • #5805
    bazermc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    So new restrictions announced tomorrow.

    Wonder will the bold Leo be on the Claire Byrne show again?


  • #5806
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Messi19 wrote: »
    At what point does education become more important than the economy? Can education still be applied outside of the classroom? Yes, it's not ideal but it can be done. Can manufacturing survive outside of the factory? No it cannot.
    Education won't be an awful lot of use when there's sod all jobs left because we've nuked the economy

    Can factory workers and nurses and paramedics and food industry employees go to work when schools and crèches are closed?


  • #5807
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    You stay within your country.
    Ireland should be able to achieve covid zero, places like the US and UK its unlikely. We are an island nation, sparsely spread throughout with the majority of people working from home which is a huge advantage( civil service, mncs etc). It's terrible leadership that has us here. It's embarrassing how we threw it away. Long winter ahead.

    But we are not an island nation,there are TWO nations on the ONE island


  • #5808
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    rob316 wrote: »
    It should be announced tomorrow, and put into effect later in the week. Let businesses sell some stock and people get what they need. Few days isn't going to make much difference

    I can see it now, they give the shops 48 hours to close, don't give us an exit date, then extend it because people went to the shops.......


  • #5809
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Can factory workers and nurses and paramedics and food industry employees go to work when schools and crèches are closed?

    Of course


  • #5810
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Contract tracing is another big issue.

    There is close contacts to confirmed cases out and about spreading it for days as people aren't telling contract tracing who they are as they are too slow.

    Have heard of 5 days in one case.

    Think of all the spread in that time.


  • #5811
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Of course

    Just bring the kids with them? "sit in the back of the ambulance there and watch paw patrol on your tablet and don't touch anything“


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  • #5812
    greenfield21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Nope it's not, but keep saying it is though. ;-)

    Yes it is. As other countries have shown us including NZ.


  • #5813
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    TheQuietBeatle wrote: »
    A complete lock down will work short term but we will be back to square 1 by Christmas. It's depressing but we need a plan in place where we learn to live with the virus and protect/lock down only those most at risk.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114968476&postcount=5537

    Is this what you mean by "living with the virus"?

    Keep hearing from significant numbers that the schools are the problem, but maybe we're looking at this from the wrong direction.

    The recent surge has been helped more than a little by the crass stupidity of GAA "supporters" celebrating their team's win by all drinking out of the cup, which resulted in pretty much all of them taking more than happy memories home to their families. Their families then also developed Covid, parents and possibly also the children, so there is a strong chance that the kids didn't bring it home from school, they took it into school from home.

    Level 3 never had a chance while people from Dublin could drive to Ashbourne (and other places) because the pubs were still open. They did, and a significant number of staff in multiple pubs have contracted and spread Covid as a result of the infection spreading IN THE PUBS. That's the underlying factor in the recent massive surge in Meath.

    Track and trace has been a waste of time, because it doesn't go back far enough to work out where Covid was contracted.

    Closing retail is only going to further emphasise the divide between the private sector and the public sector, there has been negligable impact from the beginning on the public sector, unless overtime payments have been affected, and some will be significantly better off because they are not having to meet the significant costs of commuting. That is very much not the case for the private sector, and it won't get any better as time goes on.

    House parties, as discussed in the last few pages, students that can't or won't act like the adults they are supposed to be, and a complete absence of will from all levels to actually enforce anything related to covid and acceptable social behaviour.

    Hell, the Gardai don't ticket blatant parking repeat offenders 25 metres from their local station here, why should they start alienating local residents by actually expecting them to act in a civilised manner!

    And yes, the underlying elephant in the room is that no one has been prepared to take on the vested interests in the HSE and health service and bring about the fundamental restructuring and reorganising that is the only solution to getting real value for money from the sums that are poured into the service. That's not down to the people at the sharp end, the problems are a lot higher up the structure than that.

    Some real leadership from the politicians would be a help too, the lack lustre performances from pretty much all of them has not helped.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #5814
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    I wonder if we will all go to level 4 nationally or level 5?


  • #5815
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Contract tracing is another big issue.

    There is close contacts to confirmed cases out and about spreading it for days as people aren't telling contract tracing who they are as they are too slow.

    Have heard of 5 days in one case.

    Think of all the spread in that time.

    Who is responsible for tracing?


  • #5816
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Of course

    Wow you have filled me with confidence there.


  • #5817
    Tzardine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    MattS1 wrote: »
    I wonder if we will all go to level 4 nationally or level 5?

    It will be called level 4, but will actually be closer to Level 5 in reality.


  • #5818
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Who is responsible for tracing?

    No idea.

    Seems like noone in charge and noone knows what to do at the moment.


  • #5819
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Yes it is. As other countries have shown us including NZ.

    It's not but as I said keep saying it. ;-)


  • #5820
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,655 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    So I presume the government will go to level 4 plus, but stop short of going to level 5. As if there is much real difference.


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  • #5821
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Who is responsible for tracing?

    HSE


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