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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #5702
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You don't but you clearly want to believe it's a higher risk. We've been doing it for months, even in the summer when cases were much lower than they are now. They would have shown up then.

    I don't want to believe anything, I just don't assume I know something is low risk and with cases going the way they are, it's completely logical to close non essential retail. It reduces the flow of people and the congestion on public transport.

    Looking back at the summer makes no sense either as the infection rate was so low, with little or no community transmission so of course they weren't showing then?


  • #5703
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    giveitholly wrote: »
    So closing businesses and non essential retail is the answer to all this
    440Hertz wrote: »
    To be quite honest I don’t understand the assessment of risk for retail.
    If they keep the numbers in stores managed, the sanitary measures high, deal with ventilation and so on it’s hardly that big a risk.

    Supermarkets operated right through the whole thing, with seemingly no impact.

    The high risks are around busy events, tight spaces and honestly I do agree with the need to restrict bars and so on.

    But I think we are shooting ourselves in the feet with a very questionable analysis of retail environments.

    I mean remember when there was that fuss over hardware stores? I don’t think I have ever really seen a packed Woodies or B&Q. In normal times they’re probably one of the most socially distant places possible. It’s the same with say garden centres.

    They need to avoid super busy retail spaces, big footfall promotions and so on but surely that’s manageable.

    For the money that’s cost by a closure, surely we could have a bunch of retail health advisors hired and rolled out or redeployed from other parts of the health system as public health prevention officers?
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Closing retail makes zero sense to me. Your not really doing anything that'll make much difference. All closing retail does is put hundreds of thousands back onto PUP.

    You can be guaranteed retail reopens first week in December and it'll be a mess because everyone will be cramming in their Christmas shopping. Zero logic

    All this. WHO etc. not saying retail is an issue, Govt. not saying retail is an issue. Everyone saying closed confined spaces/parties etc.
    So close down Harvey Norman. (to be fair, used Power City yesterday :)


  • #5704
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    rob316 wrote: »
    It's called people wanting to live their lives when the virus will have no effect on 99.9% of us.

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  • #5705
    Piehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Piehead


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They still need to say it and own it - this will probably last until Christmas.

    Lockdown needs to be maintained deep into next year. There will be out of control mayhem over xmas and new year if lockdown is eased. Serious thorough analysis on off license restrictions to be considered I hope.


  • #5706
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,246 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They still need to say it and own it - this will probably last until Christmas. As pointed out above, a promised and rushed reversal will bring chaos.

    I don't think the implication was that things should be completely open for Christmas. More that people could travel home for Christmas and visit it friends and families during that time.


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  • #5707
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    speckle wrote: »
    well why dont you ssy that to the immeniant virologists,scientists and medical specialists of twiv many who are working at the coal face of this pandemic.

    Emm, because they’re not an egotistical, fact free, reality tv show billionaire running for the American presidency who will say anything to get elected perhaps?!

    I’m just saying that any issues around the Trump case are extremely unlikely to be useful for anything objective or scientific.


  • #5708
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    It did work to a degree but was misguided as the problem was not restaurants.

    No it didn't work. If it worked the numbers in Dublin would be reducing. L5 would have worked if they had of listened to the experts a few weeks ago now we are going to be in L5 later and longer than we all want.

    But hey Varadkar got his moment on prime time TV looking tough and leader like that's all that matters.

    For the record I believe any of these levels arent much use without enforcement and massive fines for the scumbags breaking them and I hope we see movement on that from the government


  • #5709
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    Non essential retail has been open for months now and there has been no spike until recently after schools open up. Yet schools are bring kept open and non essential retail is being made to close.


    Wtf why does no one call this out?


  • #5710
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Well you can’t pick and choose what restrictions you follow and don’t, and then say there’s no difference.

    The 5km restriction is so insignificant when you look at it in comparison to closing non-essential retail.


  • #5711
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭Russman


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Very well worded.

    Its people focusing on themselves rather than others which has us in this mess.

    Im personally not worried about contracting the virus but passing it on to someone else.

    Your attitude is the one that has us in this position now.

    If this continues to rise & your in a car accident or need an operation for something you can forget about getting healthcare.

    It isnt all about Covid but the knock on affect    .

    100%


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  • #5712
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    I don't want to believe anything, I just don't assume I know something is low risk and with cases going the way they are, it's completely logical to close non essential retail. It reduces the flow of people and the congestion on public transport.

    Looking back at the summer makes no sense either as the infection rate was so low, with little or no community transmission so of course they weren't showing then?
    If there were cases from retail they would have shown up, low levels or not, they clearly didn't and the length of interaction in such places is absolutely minute.


  • #5713
    Jenna James
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Jenna James


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Closing retail makes zero sense to me. Your not really doing anything that'll make much difference. All closing retail does is put hundreds of thousands back onto PUP.

    You can be guaranteed retail reopens first week in December and it'll be a mess because everyone will be cramming in their Christmas shopping. Zero logic

    Exactly. Stampeding en-masse then to get into retail as soon as it re-opens. Baffling.


  • #5714
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    How do we know that retail is low risk? Anyone catching Covid won't know they picked it up there and the increased movement of people into centres for the use of retail increases the use of public transport also.

    If retail is a risk wouldn't we have seen spikes when they opened in May?


  • #5715
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Harris’ comment ten minutes ago basically confirms we are going up to level four if not five. The focal points of debate then will have to shift from “should we increase restrictions?” to “how will they be increased?”

    I think this is better for the country as a whole — I feel that there is a chance this could go on into December. We let our guard down, we should have acted faster. Now we have to mitigate the damage as best as we can.


  • #5716
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Non essential retail has been open for months now and there has been no spike until recently after schools open up. Yet schools are bring kept open and non essential retail is being made to close.


    Wtf why does no one call this out?

    Because it's a lie.


  • #5717
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Non essential retail has been open for months now and there has been no spike until recently after schools open up. Yet schools are bring kept open and non essential retail is being made to close.


    Wtf why does no one call this out?

    The spike started towards the end of June and has grown at the same rate since (well until about the last 10 days when the growth rate seems to have increased)


  • #5718
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    No it didn't work. If it worked the numbers in Dublin would be reducing. L5 would have worked if they had of listened to the experts a few weeks ago now we are going to be in L5 later and longer than we all want.

    But hey Varadkar got his moment on prime time TV looking tough and leader like that's all that matters.

    For the record I believe any of these levels arent much use without enforcement and massive fines for the scumbags breaking them and I hope we see movement on that from the government

    Definite worked? WHO said locked should only be used to buy health services time.

    Surely slowing the spread in Dublin achieve the above.


  • #5719
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,318 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I don't think the implication was that things should be completely open for Christmas. More that people could travel home for Christmas and visit it friends and families during that time.

    So a one week free pass where the only thing you can do is drink indoors? That won't cause any problems....


  • #5720
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Very well worded.

    Its people focusing on themselves rather than others which has us in this mess.

    Im personally not worried about contracting the virus but passing it on to someone else.

    Your attitude is the one that has us in this position now.

    If this continues to rise & your in a car accident or need an operation for something you can forget about getting healthcare.

    It isnt all about Covid but the knock on affect.

    It goes right against our very nature, we are social creatures. I've already said NPHET pushed the public to brink in the last wave and restrictions were left in place far too long. The public are exhausted

    That's a reality, I wouldn't be feeling hopeless seen it.


  • #5721
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    If retail is a risk wouldn't we have seen spikes when they opened in May?

    No, they're not going to cause a spike when there isn't much virus circulation in the community. It's when the virus is rampant again that they could well aid the spread, so looking back then is pointless. Nobody is saying non-essential retail is the cause of surges, but they may not help in flattening the current trends so it's best closing for now in order to open at a time when people need them more.


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  • #5722
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I don't think the implication was that things should be completely open for Christmas. More that people could travel home for Christmas and visit it friends and families during that time.
    They really have to state that, no more pretending it'll be better in X weeks. It si the adult thing to do. That way people can get on with planning it the best they can. We'll be annoyed, bothered, in some cases very upset but we'll live.


  • #5723
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Surely teachers will call for a strike if not closed. Did teachers union not say they would?


  • #5724
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭appledrop


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Non essential retail has been open for months now and there has been no spike until recently after schools open up. Yet schools are bring kept open and non essential retail is being made to close.


    Wtf why does no one call this out?

    The dogs on the street know its the schools but that doesn't fit the narrative of government. Doesnt matter what level we go to once schools are still open numbers will stay high.

    Dublin in lockdown now for 4 weeks + numbers still growing but can't blame bars + restaurants anymore all closed but surrrrrr no doubt its the millions of houseparties people are having.

    Its a joke.


  • #5725
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I don't think the implication was that things should be completely open for Christmas. More that people could travel home for Christmas and visit it friends and families during that time.

    Retail 100% needs to be open at least 3 weeks before Christmas realistically, it would be economic suicide if they were kept closed past the first week of December. People will see their families over Christmas, thats just going to happen regardless


  • #5726
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    rob316 wrote: »
    It's called people wanting to live their lives when the virus will have no effect on 99.9% of us.
    Cases 48,678
    Population 4,954,600
    Percentages positive to Covid-19
    > 0.98%
    Percentages not tested positive
    > 99.02%


  • #5727
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What is this ct level?
    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/all-topics-z/coronavirus/threats-and-outbreaks/covid-19/laboratory-support/questions
    Its not reall new knowledge, just confirmation.
    Its got to do with the pcr test for covid.
    when they get your sample. To test for covid,very basically. they add stuff and strip all the other crap out. left with covid rna. which they prepare. which after doing things with,they multiply the amounts, think growing/replicating it in a machine to measure it against parts of what re know covid rna is made of genetically.. The amount of times it is multiplied/ cycles is the ct number/value. It is a log value. that is a very basic rough explaination. hence my links.:D

    Animation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThG_02miq-4


  • #5728
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The spike started towards the end of June and has grown at the same rate since (well until about the last 10 days when the growth rate seems to have increased)
    That was when were free to move about the country.


  • #5729
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I don't see why government need to explicitly state that Christmas won't be the same.

    If someone needs to be told that things like 12 pubs, massive house parties are unacceptable/shouldn't happen, they're an idiot and even if told won't care anyway


  • #5730
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Surely teachers will call for a strike if not closed. Did teachers union not say they would?
    They're probably not going to ballot in favour of strike action because of the enormous backlash which would come from the usual sections of society (if they can find their pyjama tops).


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  • #5731
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    s1ippy wrote: »
    So Simon, the minister for Higher education who last week said college is overrated, released the news that the country would definitely be going into higher stage of lockdown. This is before the meetings that are scheduled to take place to further discuss the situation?

    They're an absolute shower of incompetent, inept and unreliable tossers. Worst government the country has ever seen, and that includes during the last crash. They will bring us to our knees in the months ahead.

    Somebody should do something.

    Crazy a minister for higher education is briefing about restrictions. People all weekend have no idea what is going on and when. All the leaks of confidential should be investigated by gaurda. It is playing havoc with people’s mental health with so much uncertainty particularly over a weekend.


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