Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Ellie2008 · 17-10-2020 11:28PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Public order offence in a private house?

Yes fair enough, seems further powers were considered but not implemented, a mistake IMO it’s a pandemic after all

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/gardai-house-parties-5189585-Aug2020/%3Famp%3D1

Tenzor07 · 17-10-2020 11:29PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

In response to a noise complaint maybe?

That would be an civil matter, as others have already said, no laws are been broken with a house party and the Gardai have no powers to enter a private home unless they suspect a crime is in progress, and they have to have a level of suspicion that would stand up in court...

degsie · 17-10-2020 11:30PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

A doctor in north cork getting the virus now!

Last time I checked, doctors are humanoid too!

Ellie2008 · 17-10-2020 11:31PM

degsie wrote: »

Last time I checked, doctors are humanoid too!

Loads of doctors in South County Dublin got it from those returning from Italy acc to my Mum’s doctor

Goldengirl · 17-10-2020 11:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

To be honest I'd tend to lean towards listening to doctors in hospitals versus fellas using predictions, due to simple experience.
For all we know there could be doctors in the HSE who are happy with the workload, after developing clear treatment strategies and with better ideas for what should be done.
All we're hearing right now is statistical predictions and facts. There's a time where stats should take the back seat and real experiences should come to the front.

Might be interesting to hear what the other medics in the Mater think of DrLambert and his views before he is sainted .
These are his own views not those of the Mater .

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 11:35PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Party in full flight across the green from us here in a neighbours house. 21st apparently.

I've been dead set against the pubs been open but when you see sh1t like this you wonder maybe it's better to have these type of idiots in a bigger controlled setting as they obviously don't care either way. Then again why put bar staff at risk.

I don't know maybe the situation is hopeless.

Party two roads over from us, student area. Klingande at full pelt and chung wans roaring. I'm incredibly jealous and briefly considered turning up the music loud to feel like there's something happening but then reconsidered because it would sh!t on the neighbours.

I never used think about stuff like that on a Saturday night before. Maybe we're better people now because of this horrific sh!te.

No.

WoollyRedHat · 17-10-2020 11:36PM

Interesting presentation on Japan's response to Covid, and their cluster-based approach, attached.

Newbie20 · 17-10-2020 11:37PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Has Nolan nothing better for doing than writing 12 tweet long threads and articles disputing claims made by a professional on the ground. Ffs the ceclbrity has gone entirely to these lads heads.

This is the same Nolan that said
“if you remember from your own school days, you’d only really have 3-5 close contacts throughout the day, you wouldn’t even see most people in your class”.

Muppet, can’t listen to a word he says since he came out with that crap.

ACitizenErased · 17-10-2020 11:39PM

Sunday Independent front page is reporting that construction workers are going to be deemed essential workers for whatever restrictions are introduced this week and that there is no intention to close schools.
Weekly cost of restrictions will be €260m.

Goldengirl · 17-10-2020 11:39PM

Ellie2008 wrote: »

Loads of doctors in South County Dublin got it from those returning from Italy acc to my Mum’s doctor

You mean back in February ?
This is not the case here .
Read the link .

Harry Palmr · 17-10-2020 11:40PM

manniot2 wrote: »

I was joking ffs. Christ above people calling the guards on their neighbors for trying to enjoy something small in a very tough world. Life is short and nobody knows what is around the corner, for many it’s far worse than Covid that could be coming.

Covid could quite literally be the worst thing coming for someone in that house or someone connected with those in that house.

Wolf359f · 17-10-2020 11:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

To be honest I'd tend to lean towards listening to doctors in hospitals versus fellas using predictions, due to simple experience.
For all we know there could be doctors in the HSE who are happy with the workload, after developing clear treatment strategies and with better ideas for what should be done.
All we're hearing right now is statistical predictions and facts. There's a time where stats should take the back seat and real experiences should come to the front.

I agree in some part, the doctors on the front line feel they can cope, but it's the modelers saying, you maybe able to cope with 20 patients a day, but you're looking at 100 by a certain date etc..

If the **** hits the fan in a few weeks, I think there will be plenty with egg on their face. I for one hope and prey NPHET are seriously overestimating their predictions, but so far it seems the opposite.

Ellie2008 · 17-10-2020 11:47PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I agree in some part, the doctors on the front line feel they can cope, but it's the modelers saying, you maybe able to cope with 20 patients a day, but you're looking at 100 by a certain date etc..

If the **** hits the fan in a few weeks, I think there will be plenty with egg on their face. I for one hope and prey NPHET are seriously overestimating their predictions, but so far it seems the opposite.

In the last few days I’ve been anti-NPEHT in my head (I’m sure it’s not keeping them up at night), but tbh it was just me struggling with the idea of another lockdown. Still have a job but struggled the last time. It does seem that one is needed though.

brighterspark · 17-10-2020 11:48PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I'm suggesting extending it by 2-weeks and that would then give government time to put together a plan with increased funding from DOE and also help from broadband providers. They should have conducted a survey about student broadband/ IT requirements months ago.

ETA: Students in these age groups who don't have adequate broadband or laptop could also be offered option to go to school. Even if that's a third of class, that's much better than a full class when rates in community are so high. Would this not be reasonable? Then the only investment we need is to help schools purchase video conference equipment (2k approx per class)

Great idea have our exam group students (3rd and 6th years) at home to mentally cope with facing exams after 2 school years of disruption! They can also wait for the 7 year broad band plan to be completed. I taught online during last lockdown in a relatively economically rich area in Dublin- many students could only go online when parents were finished working so after 5 pm and others when online only had access to phones. Online is only ok for about two weeks max!

Forget allowing some students access to class and not others - parents woud never allow preferential treatment of some students over others.

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 11:52PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Covid could quite literally be the worst thing coming for someone in that house or someone connected with those in that house.

Relentless loneliness is worse than Covid

podgeandrodge · 17-10-2020 11:53PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The courts in Berlin decided late night pubs were safer than house parties

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/16/court-overturns-order-to-shut-bars-and-restaurants-in-berlin-at-11pm-13432566/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The court decision seems to make a lot of sense.

Court overturns order to shut bars and restaurants in Berlin at 11pm

A Berlin court has overturned an order forcing bars, restaurants and off-licences to close from 11pm to 6am amid the pandemic.

Eleven restaurant owners had submitted urgent requests against the curfew, which was introduced by Chancellor Angela Merkel this month. Today, an administrative court ruled ‘it was not apparent’ that the measure would stop the spread of Covid-19.

Instead, the court stated that new infections in Germany are currently more likely to stem from private gatherings of families and friends, meat-processing plants, religious gatherings or community facilities.

They also argued that the curfew wouldn’t prevent young people from meeting, but would push them to do so in places that don’t meet hygiene standards.

The court therefore ruled that closing the venues was a ‘disproportionate encroachment’ on the industry’s freedom, a court spokesperson said.

Berlin is considered to be a hotspot in Germany, with more than 78 coronavirus cases per 100,000 people across the city, and as many as 161 cases per 100,000 in some districts, such as Neukölln.

The city of Berlin announced it will introduce new restrictions in order to rein in growing coronavirus infection rates. Starting Saturday, bars and restaurants will need to close by 11pm. The number of people gathering together outside will be limited to five and for private indoor events the limit will be ten people. The entire city of Berlin has been declared a coronavirus hotspot, with seven-day averages for new infections above the mark of 50 per 100,000 residents.
Chancellor Angela Merkel warned young people to stay safe this week (Picture: Getty Images)
epa08725003 Two guests sit in front of a bar in Berlin, Germany, 06 October 2020. In response to the rising number of infections, the Berlin Senate has decided to tighten the corona rules. In the future there will be a curfew for shops, bars and restaurants. Restaurants and bars but also shops have to close between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m. EPA/ALEXANDER BECHER
Bars, restaurants and off-licences were to be closed between 11pm and 6am (Picture: EPA)
On Friday, Germany recorded its highest ever daily increase in cases for a second day running with 7,334 new infections and 24 deaths.

Earlier this week Merkel warned that the nation could be heading for ‘disaster’ if state premiers didn’t sign off on stronger coronavirus measures. Noting the rising infection rate, urged younger generations to avoid partying during the pandemic in order to have a ‘good life tomorrow, or the day after’.

Other new restrictions across Berlin prevent more than 10 people from gathering together in a private space, while only five people – or members of two households – can gather together between 11pm and 6am.

podgeandrodge · 17-10-2020 11:53PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We will be stuck with restrictions as long as people continue to have uncontrolled indoor gatherings.

We will be stuck with people continuing to have uncontrolled indoor gatherings as long as the authorities prevent people having controlled indoor gatherings.

Wolf359f · 17-10-2020 11:54PM

Ellie2008 wrote: »

In the last few days I’ve been anti-NPEHT in my head (I’m sure it’s not keeping them up at night), but tbh it was just me struggling with the idea of another lockdown. Still have a job but struggled the last time. It does seem that one is needed though.

I'm not anti-NPHET, they serve a role as such. Some people believe they make policy and enact laws ffs, they just advise. They have zero power.
But if household to household transmission is the main vector, I don't see any benefit to level 4/5. The public won't buy into it like in March. If there was enforcement of the current restrictions (mainly house gatherings) and the Government came out and said clearly, this is our last chance to avoid another lockdown, they may get higher public compliance.
If they did issue hefty fines, it maybe a deterrent.

Now, the chances of the government coming out with any clear instruction is complete nonsense anyway, so we're feicked!

Away With The Fairies · 17-10-2020 11:58PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We will be stuck with restrictions as long as people continue to have uncontrolled indoor gatherings. We should do what Australia did 5k fine if you are organizer of party and €500 fine for every person in attendance. God knows we need the money!

The UK fined three students 10,000 pounds each for organising a party. That's a nice fine for students.

ACitizenErased · 17-10-2020 11:58PM

Paul_Reg wrote: »

I think I have an idea what you're getting at here. So how about the views of Prof Mary Horgan who is the ID consultant down in CUH/UCC? I can't post links here as a new user but it'sinteresting that ID consultants who are on the ground fighting this are dismissed and a guy who has never intubated anything except his own ego is held up as an expert to end all experts.

Anyone I know who worked under Prof Lambert spoke extremely highly of him. I can't comment on their views of his CoVId views because I don't know.

I think what Nolan did was pathetic and he should apologise for it. If Lambert doesn't go to work on Monday it'll have a hell of a more immediate impact on the CoVid response than if your man deletes his spreadsheets. As someone else on the thread said - isn't it great he has so little to be at.

And if we're going to discuss appeal to authority because your man is President of Maynooth then I reckon Horgan and Lambert hold their own there too.

I think we're going to lockdown and we probably have no choice - doesn't stop Nolan being a c*nt though.

Here's the link for ya:
CUH consultant: We are not overwhelmed by Covid - keep coming for medical treatment

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40066275.html

Hobgoblin11 · 17-10-2020 11:59PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

We will be stuck with people continuing to have uncontrolled indoor gatherings as long as the authorities prevent people having controlled indoor gatherings.

no amount of controlled indoor gatherings will prevent uncontrolled indoor gatherings

rob316 · 17-10-2020 11:59PM

I think it'll be 2 to 3 weeks of a watered down level 5 and hope that buys us some time to go back to level 3 till January. Don't really see anything else, your totally detached from reality if you think we're heading to level 5 for 6 weeks.

ACitizenErased · 18-10-2020 12:00AM

HSE Daily Operations Update

262 in hospital, increase of 13.
17 confirmed cases in hospital today.
30 in ICU, no change.
20 ventilated, increase of 2.

WoollyRedHat · 18-10-2020 12:01AM

brighterspark wrote: »

Great idea have our exam group students (3rd and 6th years) at home to mentally cope with facing exams after 2 school years of disruption! They can also wait for the 7 year broad band plan to be completed. I taught online during last lockdown in a relatively economically rich area in Dublin- many students could only go online when parents were finished working so after 5 pm and others when online only had access to phones. Online is only ok for about two weeks max!

Forget allowing some students access to class and not others - parents woud never allow preferential treatment of some students over others.

People are really going out of their way to say online learning can't work. They can't get online until after 5pm? I know broadband isn't great in parts of the country but in Dublin? I think your students im economically-rich area were lying to you.

Also majority of students have data, surely they can hotspot. There also exists option of recording lectures and facilitating playback if needs must.We're living through a pandemic, some people refuse to even imagine compromise when it comes to schools, rather astonishing.

podgeandrodge · 18-10-2020 12:02AM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

no amount of controlled indoor gatherings will prevent uncontrolled indoor gatherings

You're more likely to have a house party if going to the pub is not an option. Source: my opinion!

Wolf359f · 18-10-2020 12:02AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Here's the link for ya:
CUH consultant: We are not overwhelmed by Covid - keep coming for medical treatment

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40066275.html

I think that's more a plea for sick people to still seek treatment as apposed to CUH is not worried about cases of Covid.

Hobgoblin11 · 18-10-2020 12:03AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You're more likely to have a house party if going to the pub is not an option. Source: my opinion!

After parties will always occur after pubs, fact

WoollyRedHat · 18-10-2020 12:04AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

We will be stuck with people continuing to have uncontrolled indoor gatherings as long as the authorities prevent people having controlled indoor gatherings.

Restrictions will continue until country morale improves.

Curious_Case · 18-10-2020 12:04AM

rob316 wrote: »

I think it'll be 2 to 3 weeks of a watered down level 5 and hope that buys us some time to go back to level 3 till January. Don't really see anything else, your totally detached from reality if you think we're heading to level 5 for 6 weeks.

I hope you're right but reality is running towards the horizon with its hands in the air and its arse on fire

Wolf359f · 18-10-2020 12:05AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You're more likely to have a house party if going to the pub is not an option. Source: my opinion!

Open the pubs and next minute those house party goers, will be saying pubs are too expensive to be drinking in, so reduce the price of pints!

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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